[quote]Nole wrote:
Sorry to stay on the Seminole thing (Broderick Bunkley), but check out FSU freshman linebacker Nigel Bradham.
The kid is a FRESHMAN in college. He just turned 19 years old. Bench presses 480 pounds.
BEAST[/quote]
How can you NOT think that its flat out impossible for most kids to get that big without steroids by 19?
[quote]IgneLudo wrote:
Nole wrote:
Sorry to stay on the Seminole thing (Broderick Bunkley), but check out FSU freshman linebacker Nigel Bradham.
The kid is a FRESHMAN in college. He just turned 19 years old. Bench presses 480 pounds.
BEAST
How can you NOT think that its flat out impossible for most kids to get that big without steroids by 19?[/quote]
Because it is.
[quote]IgneLudo wrote:
Nole wrote:
Sorry to stay on the Seminole thing (Broderick Bunkley), but check out FSU freshman linebacker Nigel Bradham.
The kid is a FRESHMAN in college. He just turned 19 years old. Bench presses 480 pounds.
BEAST
How can you NOT think that its flat out impossible for most kids to get that big without steroids by 19?[/quote]
Do you really expect us to answer nonsense like that?
Btw, his arms lag behind his torso big time…
He may be on assistance, of course, but imo it’s not a requirement for that… He’s in his prime anabolic years, is very likely busting his ass and making strength gains for reps, eating 2 kids every meal…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LUEshi wrote:
I’m amazed we continue having the same discussion, over and over and over again.
If you want to look like a bodybuilder, train like a bodybuilder.
Lifting weights in and of itself will develop a strong and healthy body, but it’s all in how you train. Form follows function.
We keep having these discussions because people are confused. They hear, “bodybuilders are weak” or, “bodybuilders ONLY look like that because of genetics and drugs and they are the last people you should ever ask for advice”. If you have this bullshit drilled into your head from every small author with a keyboard, you may just tend to believe it.
I don’t expect that to last much longer though. You can only fool people for so long.
MOST impressive looking athletes incorporate training that resembles that of a bodybuilder somewhere in their training program (whether on or off the books).
People NEED to know this.
The biggest and strongest people on this site or any other don’t look the way they do because it was just handed to them. They trained harder than most people can even comprehend.
These discussions will continue as long as people try this hard to act as if truly big lifters/athletes got that way by being clueless and weak.
I personally would expect any trainer claiming people like me are training wrong to have many more examples in their ranks of people they helped see even more progress.[/quote]
I used to chuckle when people talked about peck decks, then I watched the Ryan Kennely road to the Arnold.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
People need to get over the genetics thing.
These people eat and train all day pretty much every day. How many of you even train 4 or more days a week?[/quote]
Come on. Yes I agree that the fact that they train all day pretty much every day plays a role, but these people are the best of the best as far as genetics go. You cannot discount the role that genetics plays.
I’m not saying that most people cannot make huge improvements in regards to their physiques and strength, but only a few will ever be able to compete at a professional level in any sport (BB’ing, pro football, pro basketball, etc…).
Genetics matter. I went to high school with Hakeem Abdul Olajuwon’s nephew. This guy was a genetic freak who competed in bodybuilding contests at that age…and won. There are very few human beings who could attain that level of development at that age even if they did use steroids. Shawn Ray had reached a level of muscularity by the age of 20 that most on this site won’t see by the age of 40.
Yes, it takes hard work to achieve the level of the top athletes in the world. The problem is, if you think even most people could do that if they just trained hard then you have some screws loose.
That is why when people make comments like, “I don’t want to get too big”, most of us wince. Most people on the planet couldn’t get “too big” even if they tried.
It takes hard work AND genetics to reach those upper levels whether it be bodybuilding or football.
I don’t think people are discounting the role that genetics plays in physical development, but whenever you talk about genetics it is a slippery slope. Many people on this site seem to believe that genetics are the main reason that certain countries/ethnic groups/racial groups dominate a given sport/academic field/career/etc… and that’s where I for one have an issue.
[quote]chitown34 wrote:
I don’t think people are discounting the role that genetics plays in physical development, but whenever you talk about genetics it is a slippery slope. Many people on this site seem to believe that genetics are the main reason that certain countries/ethnic groups/racial groups dominate a given sport/academic field/career/etc… and that’s where I for one have an issue.
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I understand your disdain for that type of thinking (I’ve been in my share of discussions on the topic on this site), but we’re talking about individuals, not saying that entire groups of people have superior/inferior genetics (at least I’m not).
Yep, no arguing that. I was just referring to the people that were posting earlier in this thread making those types of generalizations.
I certainly wouldn’t say that all black people are mutant freak athletes haha. Have you heard of Fat Albert?
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
Thanks P-X.
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My bad, I think I read your first post wrong, I overlooked the mistaken" part and thought you were saying they were exceptions when looking at their bodies.
[quote]jerm wrote:
I certainly wouldn’t say that all black people are mutant freak athletes haha. Have you heard of Fat Albert?[/quote]
I doubt even people who believe that blacks are more muscular and better at physically demanding sports believe every single black person in the country qualifies.
I will say that I personally see more well developed blacks than I see of most other races. Whether you can blame that on socio-economic factors or simply genetics, I know I am not alone in that observation.
Houston is a pretty big city. There are all shapes and size here. However, the average basketball court in this city will house some fairly impressive musculature that I don’t see elsewhere…and I have been quite a few places.
I am not sure why this would bother some people.
Lean muscular physiques (not extreme) are pretty common in the inner city. Heavier, fatter but still very solid looking ones are as well.
[quote]jerm wrote:
I certainly wouldn’t say that all black people are mutant freak athletes haha. Have you heard of Fat Albert?[/quote]
Unless I’m mistaken, Fat Albert was really fast.
For some reason, some people seem to equate saying ‘many black guys have superior genetics for muscle growth’, as being an innately ‘negative’ comment. In fact, it’s not it’s a compliment!
It bothers me because of the implications. Many of the people that make these generalizations would also use similar logic, statistics or anecdotes to try and prove that blacks are less intelligent than other races, that Asians are naturally better at math and science, or that people with certain physical features are more prone to commit crime.
It’s funny that such archaic ideas continue to persist, but it’s a bit frustrating and disheartening when you have to listen to the same junk over and over again.
[quote]evo2008 wrote:
Many people on this site seem to believe that genetics are the main reason that certain countries/ethnic groups/racial groups dominate a given sport/academic field/career/etc… and that’s where I for one have an issue.
For some reason, some people seem to equate saying ‘many black guys have superior genetics for muscle growth’, as being an innately ‘negative’ comment. In fact, it’s not it’s a compliment![/quote]
Or an insult depending on your perspective.
Just to explain why this bothers me personally (as I’m white and it doesn’t really apply to me), I’ve worked with kids in New Orleans and DC for the last 4 years and while my perspective is pretty miniscule compared to someone who is black, I get frustrated with the effect that these accepted stereotypes have.
I’ve had so many kids that I tutored tell me they think they are stupid, or naturally bad at math, or that school is a waste of time, or some other line because they have been brainwashed to believe that they have this god-given talent for athletics and not much else.
Most of the high school kids I worked with said they wanted to be a professional athlete, despite the fact that the odds are about the same as winning the lottery and they’d have a much better chance of becoming a doctor, lawyer, professor, etc… It’s completely unfair, but I partially blame every person who reinforces these stereotypes for the negative effects it has on the kids that I worked with over the years and became very attached to. sorry to go so far off topic, talk about a thread killer…
[quote]chitown34 wrote:
Just to explain why this bothers me personally (as I’m white and it doesn’t really apply to me), I’ve worked with kids in New Orleans and DC for the last 4 years and while my perspective is pretty miniscule compared to someone who is black, I get frustrated with the effect that these accepted stereotypes have.
I’ve had so many kids that I tutored tell me they think they are stupid, or naturally bad at math, or that school is a waste of time, or some other line because they have been brainwashed to believe that they have this god-given talent for athletics and not much else.
Most of the high school kids I worked with said they wanted to be a professional athlete, despite the fact that the odds are about the same as winning the lottery and they’d have a much better chance of becoming a doctor, lawyer, professor, etc… It’s completely unfair, but I partially blame every person who reinforces these stereotypes for the negative effects it has on the kids that I worked with over the years and became very attached to. sorry to go so far off topic, talk about a thread killer…[/quote]
The students who needs tutoring are usually not as intelligent as the average kid. Of course they are going to feel that way. It has nothing to do with being “brainwashed”.
What kid dosen’t want to be a professional athelete?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Genetics matter. I went to high school with Hakeem Abdul Olajuwon’s nephew. This guy was a genetic freak who competed in bodybuilding contests at that age…and won. [/quote]
I can attest to this. I have met him twice (along with Hakeem) and yes, he was a beast. In fact, I met Hakeem and all of the Olajuwon brothers, and they are all very thick and muscular. They were all pretty tall (between 6’0 and 6’4), but obviously not as tall as Hakeem.
Genetics do matter. Hard work and proper nutrition are important as well.
[quote]SSC wrote:
IgneLudo wrote:
Nole wrote:
Sorry to stay on the Seminole thing (Broderick Bunkley), but check out FSU freshman linebacker Nigel Bradham.
The kid is a FRESHMAN in college. He just turned 19 years old. Bench presses 480 pounds.
BEAST
How can you NOT think that its flat out impossible for most kids to get that big without steroids by 19?
Because it is.[/quote]
WTF does that even mean? It is impossible? It is possible? You think it’s not impossible for most kids because it is impossible?