these guys have been lifting weights since they were probaly 15, you lift consistently for that long and youre gonna get big.
[quote]Nole wrote:
I know I’ve posted this picture before, but take a look at Eagles defensive tackle Broderick Bunkley at 306 pounds. Amazing.
Essentially, football is a game of repeated HIIT. The actual game includes sprinting, then rest. Training involves 90% sprinting, not much long distance. [/quote]
i would like to look like that, -8% bodyfat
[quote]jdarkraget wrote:
he made 225 look like a feather… gota love when spotter actually lets vernon lift the weight and he just yells LOCK THAT !!! LOCK THAT !!! LOCK IT!!!
I wish i could find a spotter to encourage instead of grabing the weight the second i struggle a bit.[/quote]
I only grab the weight once it starts going back down. I thought that was the only way to spot.
But besides that, that guy is crazy. I play D-Line as well (for high school, and I suck; that’s besides the point though), and for my high school at least, we don’t have one fat D-Lineman that starts. All of them are muscular and fast. Maybe that’s how D-Line should be…
We also do not train on a TBT during the off season, but maintenance training is almost all TBT.
When you get to a professional level, you can’t bring up genetics anymore. Because college and semi-pro football would weed that out. Very few guys can get by on genetics in the NFL, most bust ass in the gym, eat good food (most of the time), along with taking superior supplements either legal or not.
The athletic physique has a limit to its growth in that at some point it limits performance. This was the case with David Boston. His ankles could not support the leg strength and torque he could create, resulting in ankle sprains and hamstring pulls. This is a very rare case when someone gets too muscular to play, and in some cases will harm them. In football, you would benefit from a little extra weight for padding. I recall a teammate in college who was so lean, his bruises looked horrid because he was about 4-5% bodyfat.
I think the athletic physique is most appealing because many aspects grow together at the same time. Strength, speed, endurance, power, and agility create a physique where being too muscular or too fat will harm your job too much.
I do like the physique of bodybuilders though. Muscle is badass, flat out.
[quote]ty45 wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
ty45 wrote:
Pardon me if this sounds ignorant but…Would the possibility of blacks being superior be because of all the blacks that were in America as slaves? Kinda like survival of the fittest where the weaker ones die and the strongest lived to pass down superior genetics.
Yea that makes you sounds ignorant.
If that was the case, then ALL blacks living in America would be descendants of these “superior blacks” as you put it and they all would be world class athletes, sporting huge muscular physiques with no bodyfat.
Just because some is strong doesn’t mean their child will be strong. But it is more likely.
But surviving slavery as you put has nothing to do with arhletic superiority.
Not directly, but it could attribute.
Really a stupid, ignorant statement. Using your logic, one could say all jews who survived the Holocaust should be pysyically superior.
Really, you guys should lay off the Nazi logic.
The Germans were not interested in separating the strong from the weak, they just wanted all Jews dead. But an American would want a strong slave I assume.
I’m sorry for adding to this pointless conversation.
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Uh - the National Socialists didn’t like quite a few people: Slavs, Gypsies, Jews, Blacks, gays, pornographers, Commies, Democrats.
And if you were ever exposed to some NS writings, you’d see they were no fan of weaklings or pushovers either.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
Thanks P-X.
I think its good and all that people admire the physiques of these guys. Who wouldn’t?
But I think some people are mistaken when they are enamoured EXCEPTIONS. They may see AN O-Lifter or athlete or A gymnast and be impressed with his physique. Then they see some article by (insert our fave PT here) trying to put 2 and 2 together and coming to the conclusion that because a few ballet dancers, OLers, and gymnasts are jacked, that we now have to abandon traditional bodybuilding and incorporate rings, OLs, or some other shit.
Folks, I might be mistaken here. But
MOST OLers, ballet dancers, and gymnasts are not that fuckin’ big! The ones who are - are exceptions. Nearly all of us are not exceptions!
YOU may think it’s an exception but I’m willing to place a bet a years salary that if 100 people on here were put through a NFL running backs training and nutrition from peewee football to his second season they would look like a muscular powerful ripped 205 -225 lber. And if they would put through a linemans training they would resemble them.
It happens all the time in football. If a good coach finds somebody who will work hard enough, their bodies will look like their positions. I can’t agree with you I do not think these are exceptions, but the result of hard work.
Same thing happens when a new coach or strength conditioner goes to a football team, all of a sudden the kids are bigger faster and stronger. [/quote]
But…as was stated earlier, as Bauer says (who played div-1 football at a very prestigious college), and as Poloquin (who trains numerous professional athletes from multiple sports) says, the majority of high level athletes train using splits, not TBT. In other words, their weight training regime pretty much mirrors what all of the other successful, big, strong people do (which is BB’ing training).
Sure, different sports will require different focuses, hence football players doing Oly lift variations (because they need maximal explosive power in their posterior chain/lower body) and things like sprints (again due to the demands of their sport).
What Bricknyce was referring to is the tendency of some PT’s (and others) to take the exceptions to the rule (like an Oly lifter who is noticeably more muscular than his fellow competitors, or a gymnast who is considerably more muscular than his peers), and try to make the false claim that these exceptions mean these individuals somehow hold the “secret” to muscle growth and that people should not do what has worked for the majority of big, strong people and start training like these individuals.
The really funny part is when people try to claim that all of the successful BB’ers out there are the exceptions, and not these freak athletes (who still are smaller than the BB’ers btw).
For instance,
Matthias Steiner, winner of the Gold medal in the +105 kg weight division. Not small, but definitely not BB’er huge either.
Andrei Aramnau, winner of the gold in the 105kg class. Again, not tiny, but not big by BB’ing standards.
Lu Yong, winner of the 85kg class. Not impressive from a BB’ing perspective.
So, so far we’ve got maybe 1 impressive physique from all the winners of the Gold medal at the most recent olympic games.
Yet, you’ll see some PT’s using olympic lifters as examples to back up their program’s superior ability to build muscle. Or, maybe they’ll use gymnasts (all of which are smaller than BB’ers, and only some of which are even impressively muscular for a gymnast), or rock climbers, or combat athletes, etc…
Oh, or how about when they make the excuse that the traditional BB’ing way of training only works for the genetic elite, then use professional or olympic level athletes as counter examples to “prove” that their methods work better for “average” people. LOL. That one kills me.
People need to get over the genetics thing.
These people eat and train all day pretty much every day. How many of you even train 4 or more days a week?
Sorry to stay on the Seminole thing (Broderick Bunkley), but check out FSU freshman linebacker Nigel Bradham.
The kid is a FRESHMAN in college. He just turned 19 years old. Bench presses 480 pounds.
BEAST
I’m amazed we continue having the same discussion, over and over and over again.
If you want to look like a bodybuilder, train like a bodybuilder.
Lifting weights in and of itself will develop a strong and healthy body, but it’s all in how you train. Form follows function.
[quote]LUEshi wrote:
I’m amazed we continue having the same discussion, over and over and over again.
If you want to look like a bodybuilder, train like a bodybuilder.
Lifting weights in and of itself will develop a strong and healthy body, but it’s all in how you train. Form follows function.[/quote]
We keep having these discussions because people are confused. They hear, “bodybuilders are weak” or, “bodybuilders ONLY look like that because of genetics and drugs and they are the last people you should ever ask for advice”. If you have this bullshit drilled into your head from every small author with a keyboard, you may just tend to believe it.
I don’t expect that to last much longer though. You can only fool people for so long.
MOST impressive looking athletes incorporate training that resembles that of a bodybuilder somewhere in their training program (whether on or off the books).
People NEED to know this.
The biggest and strongest people on this site or any other don’t look the way they do because it was just handed to them. They trained harder than most people can even comprehend.
These discussions will continue as long as people try this hard to act as if truly big lifters/athletes got that way by being clueless and weak.
I personally would expect any trainer claiming people like me are training wrong to have many more examples in their ranks of people they helped see even more progress.
Or they could just look at every guy with a rating of 6+ from the “rate my physique” section.
I just think it applies to every sport. You have big ripped dudes walking around and all of them have played sports at some time. Some of those guys put in way more time and effort to get good at a sport instead of trying to just look good in the gym.
If you take two people and have them train fairly similar, but then add in that one of them attends practice 6 days per week doing intense skill work and competing in game situations over an extended period (years upon years), then you’ll get two big strong guys and one will be a much better athlete in a particular sport.
Genetics plays a role, but it is your socio-economical situation and opportunities for participation that set you down your path…
[quote]Nole wrote:
Sorry to stay on the Seminole thing (Broderick Bunkley), but check out FSU freshman linebacker Nigel Bradham.
The kid is a FRESHMAN in college. He just turned 19 years old. Bench presses 480 pounds.
BEAST[/quote]
19 years old. Anyone trying to pretend genetics isn’t a HUGE factor is kidding himself.
[quote]Der Candy wrote:
Africans have great genetics for physical activities. Seriously. I mean just look around. They ar ethe best in bodybuilding, football, sprinting, marathons, basketball. Etc. Gifted.[/quote]
Whitey still has bowling…I think
Cmon, most of these guys are just straight up mesomorphs, no way around that. Those kids that can’t bench press 350 lbs and weigh 200 lbs in high school sit on the bench, its just that simple, its all about genes. Some guys can train every freaking day of their life and not attain what some of these guys have as far as physique and strength. These kids are gonna get jacked no matter what they do.