[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
The max ot warmup IMO is the best one, i use it or something close all the time[/quote]
It is quite good. Probably most common-sensical for almost everyone without injury issues.
[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
The max ot warmup IMO is the best one, i use it or something close all the time[/quote]
It is quite good. Probably most common-sensical for almost everyone without injury issues.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
The max ot warmup IMO is the best one, i use it or something close all the time[/quote]
It is quite good. Probably most common-sensical for almost everyone without injury issues.[/quote]
Care to lay out the method?
[quote]2020Wellness wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
The max ot warmup IMO is the best one, i use it or something close all the time[/quote]
It is quite good. Probably most common-sensical for almost everyone without injury issues.[/quote]
Care to lay out the method?
[/quote]
"Max-OT - Warming Up The Max-OT Way.
I want you to remember the following. Max-OT is all about building muscle. Max-OT takes the approach that every rep, every set, and every workout is done for one reason - to build muscle and strength. This is very important. If you do a rep, set, or entire workout with weights for any other reason then you need to seriously question just why you are training in the first place.
Any time you wrap your hands around a bar and start a set it should be approached with the mindset of building muscle and strength. You should be able to quantify why you do each rep. What other physiological reason is there for lifting weights? So every time you do a rep you know that that rep is either directly involved in building muscle or is a necessary prerequisite to the muscle building reps.
How most lifters fail to take the right approach from the very start.
Efficiency is one of the main attributes of Max-OT training. The more efficient you train the more effective your workout is going to be, the more muscle you are going to build and the quicker you are going to build that muscle.
Why expend precious energy without using maximum efficiency? Warming-up properly is an area of training that should be performed with the utmost efficiency because it is the prelude to building muscle. Warming up improperly will impede your ability to maximize muscle overload, total muscle fiber stimulation, and growth. Warming up correctly will allow you to expend the maximum physical mental intensity on the sets that count the most - the muscle building sets.
Warming Up The Wrong Way - Are You Guilty?
I would say that 99% of the people that train warm-up wrong. And in doing so, it reduces their ability to produce maximum overload for maximum growth growth. Again, as I discussed in the last section, this incorrect technique has been and continues to be passed along from gym to gym, coach to athlete, magazine to subscriber, etc., etc. It’s like a weed you can’t get rid of.
A somewhat unfortunate thing about building muscle is that there is no definite “right” or “wrong” way to go about it. What I mean is, you can train wrong and still build muscle. Max-OT is about building maximum muscle and strength in the shortest amount of time. Max-OT extracts all the physiological understanding of what stimulates muscle growth and wraps it all up into a systematic, step-by-step plan that will maximize the muscle growth parameters and eliminate the regression caused by typical training programs.
How NOT to warm-up.
Let’s use the Bench Press as an example here. For sake of description we’ll say that 275 is the maximum for 3 reps. Here is how most people do a bench workout.
They load the bar with 135 pounds and do about 10 or 15 reps. They’ll rest a few minutes and then go to 185 pounds. Here they do another 10 reps. Then they go to 205 pounds and do about 10 reps. After a little rest, they go to 225 pounds and do 7 or 8 reps depending on how good they feel.
So far that is 4 sets. Now throw on 20 pounds to 245 and do about 7 reps. That’s set number 6 and they haven’t even started to build muscle yet. From here they take the 10’s off and put on some 25’s. At 275 pounds the barely knock out 3 reps.
Can you point out the mistakes here? They warmed up. No question about that, but they did so at the expense of strength and overload. In other words, their technique for warming up resulted in poor or inadequate muscle fiber stimulation and overload due to premature muscle fatigue.
Warming Up Is Warming Up.
Understand that warming-up is nothing more than “warming-up”. What this means is that you should warm-up the muscle group you are training in a fashion that will allow you to infuse the right amount of blood into the muscle and connective tissue and progressively introduce the increasing overload to this muscle group. This warm-up process should not fatigue the muscle. I repeat, the warm-up process should not fatigue the muscle. If you generate any muscle fatigue whatsoever during your warm-up sets you will compromise muscle overload and growth.
Proper Max-OT warm-up techniques introduce blood into the muscle group, progressively acclimate the muscle and soft tissue to the heavy weight, and does not fatigue the muscle. A fatigued muscle is a weak muscle. A muscle not “ready” for heavy weight is an injury prone muscle. The key is to warm-up the muscle being trained so it can handle maximum overload without injury, while at the same time not fatiguing the muscle in the process.
I am going to show you how to implement a technique into your training that will provide immediate results in the amount of weight you use. Remember, muscle growth is dictated by overload. The greater the overload placed on a muscle, the greater the growth response from that muscle.
We are going to take the same weight scenario on the Bench Press as used before, but we’ll use the Max-OT warm-up technique. This technique will allow you to lift more weight for more overload and more growth.
Understand that the only sets that actually induce muscle growth are the heavy sets - the sets using maximum weight for 4 to 6 reps. All other sets besides these will not produce overload needed to induce growth. These sets are merely preludes to the muscle-building sets. With this known, now you can see why it’s critical to intelligently warm-up so you can maximize the growth producing sets.
Warming Up The Right Way.
Here we are going to take the Bench Press and show you a proper warm-up technique that will allow you to lift more weight on your heavy sets. Remember, more weight - more overload - more muscle.
Again well use 275 as your heavy weight. If you typically warm-up and train like I pointed out earlier the 275 will feel a lot lighter this time.
First Set: 135 x 12 reps (warm-up)
These should be good smooth reps. Not too slow and not to fast. Your main goal is to increase blood flow and get the feel of the movement and the weight. After this first set you should rest about 2 minutes.
Second Set: 135 x 10 reps (warm-up) Same weight as before. Rhythm should be a little faster this time. Not much faster. Rest about 2 minutes.
Third Set: 185 x 6 reps (warm-up)
This should be a deliberate set done at a moderate pace. This is the next step in weight acclimation. It should feel light and 4 reps should be very easy. Rest about 2 to 3 minutes before the next set.
Fourth Set: 225 x 3 reps (weight acclimation) You should follow the same rhythm as in the last set. 3 strong reps. Rest 2 minutes
before next set.
Fifth Set: 255 x 1 rep (weight acclimation)
That’s right, just 1 rep. The purpose here is weight acclimation. This should be a strong, powerful and deliberate rep.
Sixth, Seventh, and Eighth Set: 285 x 4 to 6 reps (muscle-building)
These are the muscle building sets. Very important. These are the only sets that produce muscle growth. All the sets leading up to these heavy sets are merely warm- up sets and are treated as just that and nothing more.
Notice we went to 285 instead of 275. Warming up the Max-OT allows you to use heavier weight during the most important muscle building sets."
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]2020Wellness wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
The max ot warmup IMO is the best one, i use it or something close all the time[/quote]
It is quite good. Probably most common-sensical for almost everyone without injury issues.[/quote]
Care to lay out the method?
[/quote]
"Max-OT - Warming Up The Max-OT Way.
I want you to remember the following. Max-OT is all about building muscle. Max-OT takes the approach that every rep, every set, and every workout is done for one reason - to build muscle and strength. This is very important. If you do a rep, set, or entire workout with weights for any other reason then you need to seriously question just why you are training in the first place.
Any time you wrap your hands around a bar and start a set it should be approached with the mindset of building muscle and strength. You should be able to quantify why you do each rep. What other physiological reason is there for lifting weights? So every time you do a rep you know that that rep is either directly involved in building muscle or is a necessary prerequisite to the muscle building reps.
How most lifters fail to take the right approach from the very start.
Efficiency is one of the main attributes of Max-OT training. The more efficient you train the more effective your workout is going to be, the more muscle you are going to build and the quicker you are going to build that muscle.
Why expend precious energy without using maximum efficiency? Warming-up properly is an area of training that should be performed with the utmost efficiency because it is the prelude to building muscle. Warming up improperly will impede your ability to maximize muscle overload, total muscle fiber stimulation, and growth. Warming up correctly will allow you to expend the maximum physical mental intensity on the sets that count the most - the muscle building sets.
Warming Up The Wrong Way - Are You Guilty?
I would say that 99% of the people that train warm-up wrong. And in doing so, it reduces their ability to produce maximum overload for maximum growth growth. Again, as I discussed in the last section, this incorrect technique has been and continues to be passed along from gym to gym, coach to athlete, magazine to subscriber, etc., etc. It’s like a weed you can’t get rid of.
A somewhat unfortunate thing about building muscle is that there is no definite “right” or “wrong” way to go about it. What I mean is, you can train wrong and still build muscle. Max-OT is about building maximum muscle and strength in the shortest amount of time. Max-OT extracts all the physiological understanding of what stimulates muscle growth and wraps it all up into a systematic, step-by-step plan that will maximize the muscle growth parameters and eliminate the regression caused by typical training programs.
How NOT to warm-up.
Let’s use the Bench Press as an example here. For sake of description we’ll say that 275 is the maximum for 3 reps. Here is how most people do a bench workout.
They load the bar with 135 pounds and do about 10 or 15 reps. They’ll rest a few minutes and then go to 185 pounds. Here they do another 10 reps. Then they go to 205 pounds and do about 10 reps. After a little rest, they go to 225 pounds and do 7 or 8 reps depending on how good they feel.
So far that is 4 sets. Now throw on 20 pounds to 245 and do about 7 reps. That’s set number 6 and they haven’t even started to build muscle yet. From here they take the 10’s off and put on some 25’s. At 275 pounds the barely knock out 3 reps.
Can you point out the mistakes here? They warmed up. No question about that, but they did so at the expense of strength and overload. In other words, their technique for warming up resulted in poor or inadequate muscle fiber stimulation and overload due to premature muscle fatigue.
Warming Up Is Warming Up.
Understand that warming-up is nothing more than “warming-up”. What this means is that you should warm-up the muscle group you are training in a fashion that will allow you to infuse the right amount of blood into the muscle and connective tissue and progressively introduce the increasing overload to this muscle group. This warm-up process should not fatigue the muscle. I repeat, the warm-up process should not fatigue the muscle. If you generate any muscle fatigue whatsoever during your warm-up sets you will compromise muscle overload and growth.
Proper Max-OT warm-up techniques introduce blood into the muscle group, progressively acclimate the muscle and soft tissue to the heavy weight, and does not fatigue the muscle. A fatigued muscle is a weak muscle. A muscle not “ready” for heavy weight is an injury prone muscle. The key is to warm-up the muscle being trained so it can handle maximum overload without injury, while at the same time not fatiguing the muscle in the process.
I am going to show you how to implement a technique into your training that will provide immediate results in the amount of weight you use. Remember, muscle growth is dictated by overload. The greater the overload placed on a muscle, the greater the growth response from that muscle.
We are going to take the same weight scenario on the Bench Press as used before, but we’ll use the Max-OT warm-up technique. This technique will allow you to lift more weight for more overload and more growth.
Understand that the only sets that actually induce muscle growth are the heavy sets - the sets using maximum weight for 4 to 6 reps. All other sets besides these will not produce overload needed to induce growth. These sets are merely preludes to the muscle-building sets. With this known, now you can see why it’s critical to intelligently warm-up so you can maximize the growth producing sets.
Warming Up The Right Way.
Here we are going to take the Bench Press and show you a proper warm-up technique that will allow you to lift more weight on your heavy sets. Remember, more weight - more overload - more muscle.
Again well use 275 as your heavy weight. If you typically warm-up and train like I pointed out earlier the 275 will feel a lot lighter this time.
First Set: 135 x 12 reps (warm-up)
These should be good smooth reps. Not too slow and not to fast. Your main goal is to increase blood flow and get the feel of the movement and the weight. After this first set you should rest about 2 minutes.
Second Set: 135 x 10 reps (warm-up) Same weight as before. Rhythm should be a little faster this time. Not much faster. Rest about 2 minutes.
Third Set: 185 x 6 reps (warm-up)
This should be a deliberate set done at a moderate pace. This is the next step in weight acclimation. It should feel light and 4 reps should be very easy. Rest about 2 to 3 minutes before the next set.
Fourth Set: 225 x 3 reps (weight acclimation) You should follow the same rhythm as in the last set. 3 strong reps. Rest 2 minutes
before next set.
Fifth Set: 255 x 1 rep (weight acclimation)
That’s right, just 1 rep. The purpose here is weight acclimation. This should be a strong, powerful and deliberate rep.
Sixth, Seventh, and Eighth Set: 285 x 4 to 6 reps (muscle-building)
These are the muscle building sets. Very important. These are the only sets that produce muscle growth. All the sets leading up to these heavy sets are merely warm- up sets and are treated as just that and nothing more.
Notice we went to 285 instead of 275. Warming up the Max-OT allows you to use heavier weight during the most important muscle building sets."[/quote]
It’s good to know that myself the writer of that protocol are thinking along the same lines. My line tends to be “prime it, don’t exhaust it!”
Thanks for posting that up for me to check out ID. Now, off to the garage to crank out some deads!
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
Oh and my bullmastiff likes to walk before he runs and he is an animal. Does that count as warming up?[/quote]
Now that you have provided an animal anecdote I think we can consider this thread solved.
[/quote]
Call me the mystery solver
[quote]2020Wellness wrote:
It’s good to know that myself the writer of that protocol are thinking along the same lines. My line tends to be “prime it, don’t exhaust it!”
Thanks for posting that up for me to check out ID. Now, off to the garage to crank out some deads!
[/quote]
I swear you just paraphrased that max-ot description of a warm up from the website considering yours was very similar. If you didn’t whoever provided you with that method and the philosophy behind it is very wise. I would pick their brain as much as possible
[quote]ElevenMag wrote:
[quote]2020Wellness wrote:
It’s good to know that myself the writer of that protocol are thinking along the same lines. My line tends to be “prime it, don’t exhaust it!”
Thanks for posting that up for me to check out ID. Now, off to the garage to crank out some deads!
[/quote]
I swear you just paraphrased that max-ot description of a warm up from the website considering yours was very similar. If you didn’t whoever provided you with that method and the philosophy behind it is very wise. I would pick their brain as much as possible
[/quote]
Well sir, I pick my own brain on a daily basis. I design programs for people for a living, so I am well versed in my methods ![]()
Thanks for the compliment, as I would definitely not steal material and pass it off as my own!
[quote]2020Wellness wrote:
[quote]ElevenMag wrote:
[quote]2020Wellness wrote:
It’s good to know that myself the writer of that protocol are thinking along the same lines. My line tends to be “prime it, don’t exhaust it!”
Thanks for posting that up for me to check out ID. Now, off to the garage to crank out some deads!
[/quote]
I swear you just paraphrased that max-ot description of a warm up from the website considering yours was very similar. If you didn’t whoever provided you with that method and the philosophy behind it is very wise. I would pick their brain as much as possible
[/quote]
Well sir, I pick my own brain on a daily basis. I design programs for people for a living, so I am well versed in my methods ![]()
Thanks for the compliment, as I would definitely not steal material and pass it off as my own![/quote]
Seriously? I’ve read your program, you have totally ripped off 5/3/1, using + sets, percentages etc.
Your shit might work over at bodybuilding.com, but ur gonna get called out over here you clown.
[quote]Malaka79 wrote:
[quote]2020Wellness wrote:
[quote]ElevenMag wrote:
[quote]2020Wellness wrote:
It’s good to know that myself the writer of that protocol are thinking along the same lines. My line tends to be “prime it, don’t exhaust it!”
Thanks for posting that up for me to check out ID. Now, off to the garage to crank out some deads!
[/quote]
I swear you just paraphrased that max-ot description of a warm up from the website considering yours was very similar. If you didn’t whoever provided you with that method and the philosophy behind it is very wise. I would pick their brain as much as possible
[/quote]
Well sir, I pick my own brain on a daily basis. I design programs for people for a living, so I am well versed in my methods ![]()
Thanks for the compliment, as I would definitely not steal material and pass it off as my own![/quote]
Seriously? I’ve read your program, you have totally ripped off 5/3/1, using + sets, percentages etc.
Your shit might work over at bodybuilding.com, but ur gonna get called out over here you clown.
[/quote]
I’m sorry if this comes off as obvious, but to think that 531 is the first program to implement percentage based training and sets into it’s execution is quite wrong. Training with percentages is just another useful method in the tool box.
I actually wrote that program over a two week recovery from my vasectomy. I had a TON of time to recall from the last ten years of my training experience and really implement the concepts that I love.
One of my programs uses percentages, yes. However, it is definitely not one in the same as 531.
If those claims are your ‘call out,’ well, I’m OK with that.
Have a good rest of the week,
Ryan
"Here is the method I’d like you to use when estimating your one rep max:
Step 1. Perform 3-10 warm up sets of your core lift to be estimated. These sets should gradually increase in weight until you begin to find it difficult to complete more than 4-6 reps.
Step 2. Once you reach that 4-6 rep weight point, take 3-4 minutes of rest.
Step 3. Complete one more set at the 4-6 rep weight. This set should be done to failure. Remember how many reps you were able to complete and how much weight was being used, as you will be using this number to estimate your 1RM.
Step 4. Use for following formula to estimate your 1RM:
1RM = ((Reps completed x 0.0333333) + 1)) x Weight used
Say you used 225lbs on your bench press and you completed 6 reps. You would determine your 1RM as follows:
Multiply 6 by 0.0333333, which equals 0.199
Add 1 to 0.199, which equals 1.199
Multiply 1.199 by 225, which equals 269.99
You can see that the 1RM is estimated to be 270 pounds. This is a simple formula, and if you have trouble with it, just ask someone to help you or you can personally contact me as well. My email is ryan@2020-wellness.com.
Alright, thats half the battle. The second half is using your 1RM to determine how much to lift with your core lifts each cycle.
Here is the schedule:
Cycle 1: 3 sets of 8 reps @ 60-70% of your 1RM. The 3rd set with AMRAP.
Cycle 2: 3 sets of 6 reps @ 70-80% of your 1RM. The 3rd set with AMRAP.
Cycle 3: 3 sets of 4 reps @ 80-90% of your 1RM. The 3rd set with AMRAP.
Cycle 4: 3 sets of 1 rep @ 90-100% of your 1RM. The 3rd set with AMRAP.
AMRAP = As Many Reps As Possible
I personally recommend using a 60%, 70%, 80%, 90% schedule if you are new(1-2 years of serious training) to training.
If you are have been training seriously for 2-8 years, you should use a 65%, 75%, 85%, and 90% schedule.
If you have been training for over 8 years, you should use a 70%, 80%, 90%, and 100% schedule.
Now, the AMRAP sets serve another purpose as well. You can use them to keep tabs on how your 1RM is progressing. If you really wanted to, you could estimate your 1RM each time you perform your core lift. However, if you do this, that does not mean that you adjust your 1RM each time you check it! You can check it, but do not change your 1RM in the middle of a cycle."
Very original Ryan!
[quote]Malaka79 wrote:
"Here is the method I’d like you to use when estimating your one rep max:
Step 1. Perform 3-10 warm up sets of your core lift to be estimated. These sets should gradually increase in weight until you begin to find it difficult to complete more than 4-6 reps.
Step 2. Once you reach that 4-6 rep weight point, take 3-4 minutes of rest.
Step 3. Complete one more set at the 4-6 rep weight. This set should be done to failure. Remember how many reps you were able to complete and how much weight was being used, as you will be using this number to estimate your 1RM.
Step 4. Use for following formula to estimate your 1RM:
1RM = ((Reps completed x 0.0333333) + 1)) x Weight used
Say you used 225lbs on your bench press and you completed 6 reps. You would determine your 1RM as follows:
Multiply 6 by 0.0333333, which equals 0.199
Add 1 to 0.199, which equals 1.199
Multiply 1.199 by 225, which equals 269.99
You can see that the 1RM is estimated to be 270 pounds. This is a simple formula, and if you have trouble with it, just ask someone to help you or you can personally contact me as well. My email is ryan@2020-wellness.com.
Alright, thats half the battle. The second half is using your 1RM to determine how much to lift with your core lifts each cycle.
Here is the schedule:
Cycle 1: 3 sets of 8 reps @ 60-70% of your 1RM. The 3rd set with AMRAP.
Cycle 2: 3 sets of 6 reps @ 70-80% of your 1RM. The 3rd set with AMRAP.
Cycle 3: 3 sets of 4 reps @ 80-90% of your 1RM. The 3rd set with AMRAP.
Cycle 4: 3 sets of 1 rep @ 90-100% of your 1RM. The 3rd set with AMRAP.
AMRAP = As Many Reps As Possible
I personally recommend using a 60%, 70%, 80%, 90% schedule if you are new(1-2 years of serious training) to training.
If you are have been training seriously for 2-8 years, you should use a 65%, 75%, 85%, and 90% schedule.
If you have been training for over 8 years, you should use a 70%, 80%, 90%, and 100% schedule.
Now, the AMRAP sets serve another purpose as well. You can use them to keep tabs on how your 1RM is progressing. If you really wanted to, you could estimate your 1RM each time you perform your core lift. However, if you do this, that does not mean that you adjust your 1RM each time you check it! You can check it, but do not change your 1RM in the middle of a cycle."
Very original Ryan!
[/quote]
Thanks Malaka, I appreciate the compliment. Aside from some of those guidelines being outdated, much of that post still stands. As you can see, I’ve incorporated a widely accepted 1RM formula and my philosophy for warming up into the 1RM estimation process. Logical and effective.
Also, now I noticed that my email address is out of date there too, thanks for bringing that to my attention.
[quote]Malaka79 wrote:
"Here is the method I’d like you to use when estimating your one rep max:
Step 1. Perform 3-10 warm up sets of your core lift to be estimated. These sets should gradually increase in weight until you begin to find it difficult to complete more than 4-6 reps.
Step 2. Once you reach that 4-6 rep weight point, take 3-4 minutes of rest.
Step 3. Complete one more set at the 4-6 rep weight. This set should be done to failure. Remember how many reps you were able to complete and how much weight was being used, as you will be using this number to estimate your 1RM.
Step 4. Use for following formula to estimate your 1RM:
1RM = ((Reps completed x 0.0333333) + 1)) x Weight used
Say you used 225lbs on your bench press and you completed 6 reps. You would determine your 1RM as follows:
Multiply 6 by 0.0333333, which equals 0.199
Add 1 to 0.199, which equals 1.199
Multiply 1.199 by 225, which equals 269.99
You can see that the 1RM is estimated to be 270 pounds. This is a simple formula, and if you have trouble with it, just ask someone to help you or you can personally contact me as well. My email is ryan@2020-wellness.com.
Alright, thats half the battle. The second half is using your 1RM to determine how much to lift with your core lifts each cycle.
Here is the schedule:
Cycle 1: 3 sets of 8 reps @ 60-70% of your 1RM. The 3rd set with AMRAP.
Cycle 2: 3 sets of 6 reps @ 70-80% of your 1RM. The 3rd set with AMRAP.
Cycle 3: 3 sets of 4 reps @ 80-90% of your 1RM. The 3rd set with AMRAP.
Cycle 4: 3 sets of 1 rep @ 90-100% of your 1RM. The 3rd set with AMRAP.
AMRAP = As Many Reps As Possible
I personally recommend using a 60%, 70%, 80%, 90% schedule if you are new(1-2 years of serious training) to training.
If you are have been training seriously for 2-8 years, you should use a 65%, 75%, 85%, and 90% schedule.
If you have been training for over 8 years, you should use a 70%, 80%, 90%, and 100% schedule.
Now, the AMRAP sets serve another purpose as well. You can use them to keep tabs on how your 1RM is progressing. If you really wanted to, you could estimate your 1RM each time you perform your core lift. However, if you do this, that does not mean that you adjust your 1RM each time you check it! You can check it, but do not change your 1RM in the middle of a cycle."
Very original Ryan!
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The only similiarities to 5/3/1 are that the last set is for max reps and the 1RM formula is the same. That does not equate to ripping off a program.
Listen I know that Wendler didn’t invent % based programming, by the time I was 15 my dad would write me programs using prilipens table, I am well versed in strength and conditioning programs. 5/3/1 itself is a classic periodized program, with an accumalation, intensification and a realization phase.
Wendler isnt even the first to base training off of perfomance of a set, Kirk Karwoski was doing the same thing long before.
But, he did put those two things together, Chad Smith wrote the juggernaut method, and it has many of the same principles, but he gave credit where it was due.
This guy is the master of taking other peoples ideas, putting a slight twist on it and packaging it as his own. Have you seen his threads in the nutrition forum?
[quote]Malaka79 wrote:
Listen I know that Wendler didn’t invent % based programming, by the time I was 15 my dad would write me programs using prilipens table, I am well versed in strength and conditioning programs. 5/3/1 itself is a classic periodized program, with an accumalation, intensification and a realization phase.
Wendler isnt even the first to base training off of perfomance of a set, Kirk Karwoski was doing the same thing long before.
But, he did put those two things together, Chad Smith wrote the juggernaut method, and it has many of the same principles, but he gave credit where it was due.
This guy is the master of taking other peoples ideas, putting a slight twist on it and packaging it as his own. Have you seen his threads in the nutrition forum?
[/quote]
Malaka,
If you’ve got a personal beef with me, please PM me with your attempt to insult me. This thread is about warming up, and until you started posting, it was a great thread centered around that topic.
I’ll address your concerns through PM, as this thread is not about trash talking me, which is what you seem to have a need to do.
Thanks for your opinion on the matter, regardless of what it may be,
Ryan
Haha, its not that serious man.
Im sure you are a nice guy, but when you say " I pick my own brain daily" like you have any originality at all, well im calling bullshit on it, you are the typical internet trainer con. That is all, im done with this.
[quote]Malaka79 wrote:
Haha, its not that serious man.
Im sure you are a nice guy, but when you say " I pick my own brain daily" like you have any originality at all, well im calling bullshit on it, you are the typical internet trainer con. That is all, im done with this.[/quote]
It’s not that serious but you’re calling him a “con”? Way to get in yet ANOTHER cheap shot before leaving. Don’t act like you’re “above it all” when you’re not.
That fact is no one can tell whether this is a case of being entirely vain like all humans are and stealing ideas without giving credit. Maybe he built himself on the shoulders of giants basing his guidelines on well known, well versed, and proven methods. Maybe like many times in history he came to the same idea as a completely different, isolated person at nearly the same time.
Who really cares… All I stated was that it reminded be dramatically of max-ot. Half the stuff in the entire online course of max-ot reminds me of Vince Gironda philosophy. In fact the entire max-ot scheme of 2-3 minute rests with 4-6 reps for 6-8 sets with heavy weights and fast eccentrics is an EXACT program given by gironda in his pro series… Paul Cribb is a con! That was sarcasm but I would bet my ass the man read a lot of gironda training advice and took what he saw was useful, discarded what didn’t fit in and added his own unique spin
[quote]Malaka79 wrote:
Haha, its not that serious man.
Im sure you are a nice guy, but when you say " I pick my own brain daily" like you have any originality at all, well im calling bullshit on it, you are the typical internet trainer con. That is all, im done with this.[/quote]
Dude, it’s not like there’s no COMMON SENSE with warming up. Assuming there’s really nothing new under the sun, then it’s safe to say that great minds sometimes do indeed think alike.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Malaka79 wrote:
Haha, its not that serious man.
Im sure you are a nice guy, but when you say " I pick my own brain daily" like you have any originality at all, well im calling bullshit on it, you are the typical internet trainer con. That is all, im done with this.[/quote]
Dude, it’s not like there’s no COMMON SENSE with warming up. Assuming there’s really nothing new under the sun, then it’s safe to say that great minds sometimes do indeed think alike.
[/quote]
Except Lalanne
[quote]2020Wellness wrote:
[quote]335i wrote:
What is the right answer?
For low rep power lifts, I do:
A few minutes of stretching
5 slow reps at 50%
3 at 75%
2 at 85%
1 at 95%
1RM
Is this not safe?[/quote]
Looks good to me!
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You know, I was going to hold my tongue until I’d read the whole thread, but after reading his post and your reply I have to disagree. It’s bad. At least for anyone who has a desire to properly warm-up his weight sets to a 1RM test—or, for that matter, training a maximal strength day. I say weight set warm-ups because the rest of the warm-up should have been accomplished before doing the barbell lifts (mobility, agility, band traction, dislocates, general dynamic warm-up, and anything else you need)
Reasons:
too low in total volume – 12 total reps?? And only 4 total reps are worth anything from a max strength training stimulus standpoint. That’s being quite generous. Most times you’ll want a total of at least double that rep total above the 85% threshold. if working very frequently, total working reps should be between 9-15, and those are only the ones above ~85%. if you are doing a frequency based program (3-4 days a week on a single lift), then you can lower this threshold 5% to ~ 80% – as seen in the “Russian Strength Cycle”.
large jumps in intensity %. The jump from 85% to 95% will not typically warm-up the nervous system for a near max effort lift, unless you’re just damned inefficient or untrained, or weak (in which case you lack intermuscular coordination and proper CNS efficiency anyways). Or all of the above.
even if the person is inefficient or untrained, this is still a shitty progression because the beginner needs more overall volume to develop said coordination and efficiency (a total weight training newb can many times do 5 reps at very close to 90% of their 1RM because they don’t have any CNS efficiency or muscular coordination, or technique).