The #1 Best Gym Exercise

[quote]Mondoterrifico wrote:

Sigh.
Here is a you tube link of a man doing presses with 80s. (Couldn’t find 70s, but 80s should have the exact same outline).
Notice how small his hands are inside the diameter of the plates.
Now look at the picture of the women you posted.
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What you failed to realize is that the woman in the dumbbell squat pictures is actually a giant. She’s 16 feet tall and weighs over 800 lbs. Those are actually custom made 250lb dumbbells (and that’s not a bandana, it’s a beach towel). So I guess NP was right all along, that’s way more weight than most powerlifters could handle with their silly fat bellies and shortened ROMs.

[quote]m0dd3r wrote:

What you failed to realize is that the woman in the dumbbell squat pictures is actually a giant. She’s 16 feet tall and weighs over 800 lbs. Those are actually custom made 250lb dumbbells (and that’s not a bandana, it’s a beach towel). [/quote]

I’d hit it.


Guys, I have found the number one exercise. Perfect for forearm, shoulder, and grip strength. Before you know it, you’ll be doing single finger pushups!!

Imagine the trigger fingers our army will have!!!

[quote]Kruiser wrote:
The #1 Best Gym Exercise!!!

Can’t be. That title goes to…

Da Bear.

(Of course you could do the bear with dumbbells if you wanted to.)[/quote]

Amen to that. Bear all the way.

Damn, troll went back to hiding I guess…

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Some Crazy ass shit![/quote]

Are you fucking crazy? You really are fucking crazy!!

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
This was my favorite knee rehab exercise. Good exercise but NP is nuts.

I am nuts for posting this here but if it was on the front page, you would be joining the chorus of “thanks coach/sounds interesting/will incorporate this into my routine pronto!”

I think T-Nation should interview me.

Are you frikkin serious

P.S you are a Personal trainer not a coach a trainer that cuts and pastes out of his lame arse textbooks if T-Nation interviewed you seriously I would end my affiliations with T-Nation

your a tard

I think what nominal prospect was after was a gimmick, I mean he just graduated from PT college and his gimmick was some lame picture of a sheila doing DB deadlifts with 40s that he claimed were 70s.

once again i put forward that he is a piece of shit and should be banned.

what a the colleges teaching people geez

[quote]oztrav wrote:
once again i put forward that he is a piece of shit and should be banned.
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Dude, you’ve got 119 posts. You can’t be running around calling for people to be banned. There’s guys who’ve been here for years with thousands of posts who, to the best of my knowledge, have never demanded someone be banned. Do what you want, but this isn’t going to do much for your image here if you care at all about that.

[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
And now for today’s unsolicited tangent:

I do hereby nominate jtrinsey for the “most copying and pasting for a single post in the history of internet forum boards” award for his post on the previous page.

I would be surprised if he didn’t gain some muscle behind that monster.

Seriously man, it took about 20 minutes out of my day to do that.

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I don’t doubt it. That was tenacious work man. If you train with that kind of frightening dedication you ought to do really well.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t doubt it. That was tenacious work man. If you train with that kind of frightening dedication you ought to do really well.[/quote]

The joys of being a college student who doesn’t really go to class…

… and not to get all hardcore internet warrior, but I train with way more intensity than posts on a message board could reflect.

Unfortunately, I do stupid shit like deadlifts and box squats so I guess I’m missing the boat?

[quote]conorh wrote:
I’ve always felt that the starting position of the db “squat” is a weak position for the knee. I say “squat” because it’s really more of a deadlift. I don’t think there’s anything this exercise can do that a heavy trap bar dead or picking up a set of heavy farmers walk handles won’t do.[/quote]

You say the starting position is “weak for the knee”, that’s interesting. Do you mean it can be potentially damaging to the knee to start in the bottom position on weight bearing lifts such as bottoms-up squats, step-ups, or DB deads?

I actually think the opposite is true: that reversing the strength curve for the exercise is a fantastic way of improving the integrity of the knee joint and rehabing any existing conditions.

On squat variations where people start at the top, they tend to use heavier weight and “rebound” at the bottom. They use potential energy generated during the descent phase to help them out of the hole. For the first few degrees of the ascent, they are operating almost entirely on kinetic momentum from the downwards phase rather than generating their own power to drive them up.

The faster you come out of the hole, the more you are propelled by the rebound effect. It is only a short while after coming out of the hole that you start to actively generate the force needed for the upwards phase. Try this for yourself and I think you will agree.

The body is at an extreme mechanical disadvantage in a deep squat position, so it’s natural tendency is to rely on momentum to help get you out of the hole. This can’t be good for the soft tissue surrounding the knee joint, but not getting crushed under a heavy load takes immediate precedence over the long-term health of your lower body extremities.

That’s why I think that squat variations which start in the bottom position are very healthy for the knees: By eliminating the “rebound effect”, they develop active strength at a portion of the ROM where very few people have it. The result is improved integrity of the knee joint and a reduced chance of injury in heavy weight-bearing exercises, not to mention carry-over strength to conventional strength-curve movements at precisely the point where most people need it the most.

A complete program incorporates not just uni and bi-lateral movements, but also corresponding movements at opposite ends of the strength-tension curve. For squat variations, this looks as follows:

Normal strength-tension curve:
Squats
Lunges
Reverse strength-tension curve:
Stand-up Squats (DB deads fit here)
Step-ups

Pausing at the bottom of conventional squats can also be used as a technique for by-passing the rebound effect. This limits the load that one can train with, but it’s always interesting to see how much weight you are capable of pushing entirely under your own power.

In typing out the laundry list of benefits associated with the dumbell squat, I completely forgot to mention the powerful rehab and prehab abilities of the exercise. Thanks for the reminder.

[quote]Mondoterrifico wrote:
Never post statements such as
“she is doing more than a lot of powerlifters could do” again.[/quote]

High-rep DB Squats are the most challenging test of aerobic capacity/GPP in existence.

Let me ask you something:
You’ve seen pics of strongman competitors doing heavy farmer’s walks. You’ve seen how their veins bulge, their faces and necks turn blood red, their muscles look ready to explode. You’ve seen all this, right?

Well guess what – that’s just from having to CARRY the weight. Now, try SQUATTING with it and see what happens.

Why did I write what I wrote about powerlifters? To provoke. Does that make the statement untrue? Not necessarily. At least, I don’t think so.

Dave Tate used to get winded after walking across a parking lot.

Shall I repeat that?

Tell you what:
If a single doubter from this thread goes and tries this exercise in the gym, knocks off 10 easy reps with 100 lb. DB’s and posts a video of it, I will gladly recant and take back my claims about the godliness of dumbell squats.

Any takers? Will someone volunteer to do this on their next leg day?

My bet is that most of you would be knocked out of commision by the 75’s.

It’s not all about max effort, single-rep maximums. This is the point I was trying to make that many of you have conveniently chosen to ignore.

Dammit!! I thought this was going to be a thread about barbell cheat curls in the curl rack. WTF?!?

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:

High-rep DB Squats are the most challenging test of aerobic capacity/GPP in existence.

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More horseshit.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
High-rep DB Squats are the most challenging test of aerobic capacity/GPP in existence.[/quote]

I would say that a triathalon would be quite a bit harder on the aerobic system. Unless of course you’re doing DB squats for a couple of hours straight.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Mondoterrifico wrote:
Never post statements such as
“she is doing more than a lot of powerlifters could do” again.

High-rep DB Squats are the most challenging test of aerobic capacity/GPP in existence.

Let me ask you something:
You’ve seen pics of strongman competitors doing heavy farmer’s walks. You’ve seen how their veins bulge, their faces and necks turn blood red, their muscles look ready to explode. You’ve seen all this, right?

Well guess what – that’s just from having to CARRY the weight. Now, try SQUATTING with it and see what happens.

Why did I write what I wrote about powerlifters? To provoke. Does that make the statement untrue? Not necessarily. At least, I don’t think so.

Dave Tate used to get winded after walking across a parking lot.

Shall I repeat that?

Tell you what:
If a single doubter from this thread goes and tries this exercise in the gym, knocks off 10 easy reps with 100 lb. DB’s and posts a video of it, I will gladly recant and take back my claims about the godliness of dumbell squats.

Any takers? Will someone volunteer to do this on their next leg day?

My bet is that most of you would be knocked out of commision by the 75’s.

It’s not all about max effort, single-rep maximums. This is the point I was trying to make that many of you have conveniently chosen to ignore. [/quote]

I do agree…kind of. For aerobically challenging exercise, this one is tough. But, PLs don’t exaclty train for “max aerobic capacity.” Thus, it is not fair to say that the girl in that video is doing more than PLs. Just like it isn’t fair to say that PLs, becasue they can squat 800, are doing more than her.

This is similar to that ugly war with the Crossfit challenge to T-Nation. Different programs tax energy systems in different ways. It would be unfair for the guys at westside to challenge one of your clients to a benchpress or squat competition…your clients train under different means with different goals.

Today I trained all my clients with just DB squats. For the full hour. They asked me what I was doing and I simply replied

“Hammering every single energy system across the entire aerobic/anaerobic spectrum. I am turning you into a powerful fighting force.”

They gave me a knowing look, silently nodded, and got back to DB squatting.

Obviously lots of people could handle the load in the picture. I think NP is just trying to claim that a big power lifter couldn’t have that ROM in the picture, presumably because they all have big guts and have to split their legs to allow their guts to go that low. So, according to him, a powerlifter technically couldn’t handle ANY weight in that exact exercise because a powerlifter couldn’t do that exercise EXACTLY as pictured, with that ROM.

Of course, I think plenty of people, including big powerlifters, can do this exercise, and with good form. It is a great full body exercise, because you’re using your whole body to keep tight posturely. And if anyone handles an appreciable weight on this exercise for 10 reps, they’ll be breathing hard, but that goes for a lot of full body exercises. I have to think that a non-powerlifter stance, ATG squat with heavy weight tends to tax your legs, hips, lower and upper back, and overall conditioning a lot better. Personally, I think front squats and overhead squats are a heck of a lot harder than DB squats at all the same categories that NP claims DB squats work.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:

Tell you what:
If a single doubter from this thread goes and tries this exercise in the gym, knocks off 10 easy reps with 100 lb. DB’s and posts a video of it, I will gladly recant and take back my claims about the godliness of dumbell squats.

Any takers? Will someone volunteer to do this on their next leg day?

My bet is that most of you would be knocked out of commision by the 75’s.

It’s not all about max effort, single-rep maximums. This is the point I was trying to make that many of you have conveniently chosen to ignore. [/quote]

Nominal,

Today was my leg day. I started with back squats. 7 sets, last 3 sets at 315x6. Second I did front squats. 3 sets, last set at 185x8. I usually would do hack squats but I decided to do the DB squats.

Set 1 - 80lb dbx10
Set 2 - 90lb dbx10
Set 3 - 100lb dbx8

Our DBs don’t go higher than 100lbs.

I enjoyed the exercise and will add it to my rotation of exercises. Probably as a finishing exercise.

I wouldn’t call myself a “Power Lifter” by any means and don’t think anyone with similar strength as me would have any problem doing this exercise, with the weight that I managed.

Sorry to burst your bubble.