This was my favorite knee rehab exercise. Good exercise but NP is nuts.
I admire that NP is sticking to his guns,but saying that a PL cant get one rep with 70lb dbs of this db squat,that is just fucking stupid.I’m no PL and I’m pretty sure i could rep with 70s.
Honestly I was expecting cleans,not this bullshit.And Micheal had me laughing
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
This was my favorite knee rehab exercise. Good exercise but NP is nuts.[/quote]
I am nuts for posting this here but if it was on the front page, you would be joining the chorus of “thanks coach/sounds interesting/will incorporate this into my routine pronto!”
I think T-Nation should interview me.
[quote]OneEye wrote:
http://spidersport.com/dead-lift_en.php
I don’t know what the hell that guy’s doing, but it sure isn’t a deadlift.
NP, you are a moron. End of discussion.[/quote]
I have nothing to do with that site and you are the moron if you think you can somehow defeat my argument by bringing up something that has nothing to do with DB Squats. There are plenty of goofy lifting pictures on the net. Run a search and you will find some. But after you finish, I’ll still be here, and you will still have yet to address the topic of this discussion.
[quote]TShaw wrote:
Nominal Prospect has arguments for his contention. Also, he’s a personal trainer. Perhaps he’s got several clients making significant progress with this single exercise.
NP, show us the evidence, not just the theory. Show us before and after pics of your own radical progress after switching to this. Be sure to include stats. Start with how much weight you use for this, and how much you started with.
Less talk, more walk.[/quote]
I would, if I could, but unfortunately, I don’t have that data available. I’m still working at a mainstream Gold’s Gym where a high percentage of the members aren’t ready to be doing any form of squatting without a swiss ball. This hasn’t yet become my full-time occupation.
You should know, however, that what you’re asking me for wouldn’t prove much, even if I could produce pages and pages of testimonials. Listen, this business is about marketing yourself well. Anyone will tell you that. If you think your pay will be directly (or even indirectly) tied to your knowledge and raw training ability then you will be disappointed fast.
Look at the celebrity trainers working in Hollywood who make $100+/dollars per hour. In terms of training ability, they’ve got nothing on people like Poliquin, DeFranco, Tate, etc, yet they earn much more and could likely produce more impressive-sounding testimonials. Marketing, you see.
There is no scientific, unbiased method for comparing the abilities of different trainers. They all use highly-individualized and custom tailored methods which allow them to claim that they are the best at what they do. Sorting out the real performance figures from the marketing can be a nightmare.
Most people in the biz start out at the level I’m at now. Not working with elite athletes, but mostly average people with average genetics (or worse). If you stay in the business for a while, you will eventually cross paths with enough gifted athletes to allow you to build a decent resume on sheer longevity alone. Train 1,000 ordinary HS kids and one of them is bound to end up in the sports section 8 years from now.
So the million dollar question is:
does longevity equate with talent? Is your coaching ability a function of how long you’ve been in the field?
Personally, I say no. Everyone wants to see “walk” instead of “talk”, but the logistics of that are very difficult. Life, like dumbell squats, is complex.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
This was my favorite knee rehab exercise. Good exercise but NP is nuts.
I am nuts for posting this here but if it was on the front page, you would be joining the chorus of “thanks coach/sounds interesting/will incorporate this into my routine pronto!”
[/quote]
You are nuts for claiming it is the #1 best gym exercise and claiming power lifters cannot do it.
Not to mention your views on women, politics, philosophy…
I don’t think so.
[quote]SkiMonkey42 wrote:
Maybe you could save yourself by saying you meant to post this link instead:
http://spidersport.com/dead-lift_en.php[/quote]
I hope you’re joking.
My neck hurts just watching that kid’s head position. I like the way the bar is resting on his “quads” in the 2nd picture — so he can get geared-up for that last power pull part ofthe movement!
Its a pretty decent exercise but its hardly the missing link you nut case
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
DON D1ESEL wrote:
Have you completely lost it?
No, my brother. I am closer to the truth than ever before.
[/quote]
After reading through the entire thread:
I ain’t your brother.
This is about the same as saying that a trap bar deadlift is THE exercise, which would be oddball at best.
If nothing else, this is an exercise I may try because I have never done it. However, I bet once I start moving up in weight, I will tend to use more back/hip extension and less quads. I don’t see any reason that this exercises prevents “cheating” more than any other. Using form that does not correspond with your body mechanics and dominent muscle groups just takes discipline. This exercise has alot of gray area. It could be perfomed with a high or low hip position at the bottom depending on your goal.
The best leg exercise I have found to ensure a more upright torso and more quad-focus is BB front squats. Basically, if you lean forward to much you will lose the bar. You also have a higher center of gravity with front squats.
Any other exercise, including one-leg DB squats, BB hack-squats, and I sure, DB squats, can be turned into a back/hip dominent exercise.
Also, I have never been lucky enough have access to a trap bar, but it seems like trap bar deadlifts would have the same benefits of DB “squats” without having the DBs dragging against your legs.
By hey, I may give it a try on the other day I do legs instead of 1-leg squats and see what gets sore.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
skaklight wrote:
tedro wrote:
I think we’re all missing the point here.
I’d hit it.
Only if she loses the bandana.
THAT would actually stop you? Ay yi yi.[/quote]
It may not actually stop me, but it definitely isn’t gonna help me get there.
I’ve always felt that the starting position of the db “squat” is a weak position for the knee. I say “squat” because it’s really more of a deadlift. I don’t think there’s anything this exercise can do that a heavy trap bar dead or picking up a set of heavy farmers walk handles won’t do.
$.02
The statements made in this thread by the OP are beyond absurd.
This takes the cake for arrogance combined with ignorance above anything I have ever seen.
This dude needs his meds adjusted, big time.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Mondoterrifico wrote:
HoratioSandoval wrote:
Umm, most 15 year old untrained boys could do a dumbell squat with 40s. (if those are even 40’s. They look tiny.)
Where are we getting the magical “40”
figure from, people? I see 3 regular-diameter plates on either side, plus a smaller one at each end. Assuming those plates are standard size, and there’s no reason to think otherwise, she is lifting:
2 x(3x10) + 2 x 5 = 70 lbs./side = 140 lbs. total
Very respectable.
40 lb. Dumbells look like this:
Those look a SHITload smaller than the ones being used in the pic. About half the size, probably because weight being used in one is, indeed, half of the other.
Glad you had your fun and wrote your stories, but now it seems the myth of the “20/40 lb. dumbells” is over.[/quote]
Sigh.
Here is a you tube link of a man doing presses with 80s. (Couldn’t find 70s, but 80s should have the exact same outline).
Notice how small his hands are inside the diameter of the plates.
Now look at the picture of the women you posted.
Repeat.
Never post statements such as
“she is doing more than a lot of powerlifters could do” again.
I wonder what the op feels about turning this movement into a suitcase deadlift with only one hand holding weight. Wouldn’t that be even more taxing since you have to keep your balance or risk tipping over?
And now for today’s unsolicited tangent:
I do hereby nominate jtrinsey for the “most copying and pasting for a single post in the history of internet forum boards” award for his post on the previous page.
I would be surprised if he didn’t gain some muscle behind that monster.
The #1 Best Gym Exercise!!!
Can’t be. That title goes to…
Da Bear.
(Of course you could do the bear with dumbbells if you wanted to.)
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
This was my favorite knee rehab exercise. Good exercise but NP is nuts.
I am nuts for posting this here but if it was on the front page, you would be joining the chorus of “thanks coach/sounds interesting/will incorporate this into my routine pronto!”
I think T-Nation should interview me.
OneEye wrote:
http://spidersport.com/dead-lift_en.php
I don’t know what the hell that guy’s doing, but it sure isn’t a deadlift.
NP, you are a moron. End of discussion.
I have nothing to do with that site and you are the moron if you think you can somehow defeat my argument by bringing up something that has nothing to do with DB Squats. There are plenty of goofy lifting pictures on the net. Run a search and you will find some. But after you finish, I’ll still be here, and you will still have yet to address the topic of this discussion.[/quote]
A little quick to jump the gun?
I never implied that you had anything to do with that site. My comment about his deadlift had nothing to do with you. My comment about you had nothing to do with the deadlift and everything to do with all you’ve said in this thread. I just didn’t feel like arguing specific points, because I know we’d just go around in circles and I’m not interested.
This is a nice exercise, make no mistake. He is right about the correctness of the leverage in this lift (naturally aligning with your CofG)and making for a nice rehab. exercise when recovering from an injured back, etc…
But this is not the most difficult exercise. Have you ever tried a full snatch…full as in catching it in a rock bottom squat and then standing up with that damn thing? Sorry, DB lifts have nothing on that!
I think the problem with this article is that it seems to suggest that PLs aren’t really that strong because of their style of leverage and shortened range of motion with the wide stance. I don’t think the OP intended this (I hope not) to be a bash on PLs.
But, just for the record…holding a pair of heavy dumbells by your side and racking 800lbs on your back aren’t exactly comparable…no matter how wide your stance!
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
And now for today’s unsolicited tangent:
I do hereby nominate jtrinsey for the “most copying and pasting for a single post in the history of internet forum boards” award for his post on the previous page.
I would be surprised if he didn’t gain some muscle behind that monster.[/quote]
Seriously man, it took about 20 minutes out of my day to do that.