*I have tryed small doses of orals and test I have tried in the 2 years low dose of UG Test-E at 75-50mgs.
Also tried keeping a level of dbol at or around 5mgs in my system. That worked wonders.
*I tryed the same with oral winstrol.
I suspect he thinks I am on something and will not tell him. [/quote]
Uhhh…duhh…it’s because you ARE!
[/quote]
I tried all those after I found out I was on the lower level of acceptable T. It sucks and its really progressive. One day you wake up and your like wtf why do I keep feeling like this. Then your dr tells you what is going on and does nothing. What do you do? Try something. This was all over a period of 2 years.
My problem is my dr is stalling and looking for excuses to play the run around game. He always bugs me about getting in to see him. But when I do he this is how he handles it. I think because I am a bigger then average guy he see’s someone that does steroids. He has made comments about me bulking up.
I am going to be completely honest.
I have tryed small doses of orals and test to just see if it helps my mood and keeps me normal. It does help but. Its still illegal and cause my Dr has been dicking me around for 2 years.
I have tried in the 2 years low dose of UG Test-E at 75-50mgs. The anxiety was a bit intense and I think I would need some kind of anti-anxiety meds.
Also tried keeping a level of dbol at or around 5mgs in my system. That worked wonders. I felt the best I have felt since I was a teen. Dbol seemed to have the most positive effect on mood and libido and confidence etc. Problem is you blow up on it. Also I got breathing issues while on it. Cardio went to shit.
I tryed the same with oral winstrol. But it did not have the same effect as the dbol, just lots of energy. And blood pressure was a bit high.
I suspect he thinks I am on something and will not tell him. Even so I will never tell him cause he might think I am trying to “score free stash”. I am not. I wish I could so I can get back to enjoying life with my kid. My immune system can’t even handle working out more then 3 times a week without catching a cold cause repair it next to nil.[/quote]
Have you tried being as open and honest with your doctor as you have been in the above post?
If you feel this is not an option, hit a walk in clinic and try your luck, you may hit a sympathetic doc who will refer you to a doctor who specializes in mens health issues. Your local board of health may even be able to refer you to a clinic that has someone on staff who deals specifically with mens health. Our health care system has it’s problems, but you are not locked into one doctor or treatment plan.[/quote]
I have tried that route too. The 2 Dr’s I have talked with say you should see your family Dr. Its like they dance around the issue. Mind you this was 2 years ago. They both were very understanding. That is when I made the choice to actively start treating myself.
*I have tryed small doses of orals and test I have tried in the 2 years low dose of UG Test-E at 75-50mgs.
Also tried keeping a level of dbol at or around 5mgs in my system. That worked wonders.
*I tryed the same with oral winstrol.
I suspect he thinks I am on something and will not tell him. [/quote]
Uhhh…duhh…it’s because you ARE!
[/quote]
I tried all those after I found out I was on the lower level of acceptable T. It sucks and its really progressive. One day you wake up and your like wtf why do I keep feeling like this. Then your dr tells you what is going on and does nothing. What do you do? Try something. This was all over a period of 2 years.[/quote]
Have you read up in the The Over 35 Forum and at least gotten tests for your T levels as well as Estradiol, thyroid, etc? Check that stuff out. You may be able to find some research chems that can help you out if you have a good base to go off of. You can’t expect this to be done for you, gotta work for it!
*I have tryed small doses of orals and test I have tried in the 2 years low dose of UG Test-E at 75-50mgs.
Also tried keeping a level of dbol at or around 5mgs in my system. That worked wonders.
*I tryed the same with oral winstrol.
I suspect he thinks I am on something and will not tell him. [/quote]
Uhhh…duhh…it’s because you ARE!
[/quote]
I tried all those after I found out I was on the lower level of acceptable T. It sucks and its really progressive. One day you wake up and your like wtf why do I keep feeling like this. Then your dr tells you what is going on and does nothing. What do you do? Try something. This was all over a period of 2 years.[/quote]
Have you read up in the The Over 35 Forum and at least gotten tests for your T levels as well as Estradiol, thyroid, etc? Check that stuff out. You may be able to find some research chems that can help you out if you have a good base to go off of. You can’t expect this to be done for you, gotta work for it!
[/quote]
I have been tested for 2 years every few months. My levels are the same all the time. 2 or 3 points above the accepted normal low level. Everything else is normal. Accept the testosterone levels. No matter what I do they stay the same unless I introduce something into my system.
As for research chems… why should I have to use this method and why should I not be allow a Dr’s supervision and given a legal means to be treated? I am not asking for way to get huge or pumped. Just something to top the levels to be normal.
*I have tryed small doses of orals and test I have tried in the 2 years low dose of UG Test-E at 75-50mgs.
Also tried keeping a level of dbol at or around 5mgs in my system. That worked wonders.
*I tryed the same with oral winstrol.
I suspect he thinks I am on something and will not tell him. [/quote]
Uhhh…duhh…it’s because you ARE!
[/quote]
I tried all those after I found out I was on the lower level of acceptable T. It sucks and its really progressive. One day you wake up and your like wtf why do I keep feeling like this. Then your dr tells you what is going on and does nothing. What do you do? Try something. This was all over a period of 2 years.[/quote]
Have you read up in the The Over 35 Forum and at least gotten tests for your T levels as well as Estradiol, thyroid, etc? Check that stuff out. You may be able to find some research chems that can help you out if you have a good base to go off of. You can’t expect this to be done for you, gotta work for it!
[/quote]
I have been tested for 2 years every few months. My levels are the same all the time. 2 or 3 points above the accepted normal low level. Everything else is normal. Accept the testosterone levels. No matter what I do they stay the same unless I introduce something into my system.
As for research chems… why should I have to use this method and why should I not be allow a Dr’s supervision and given a legal means to be treated? I am not asking for way to get huge or pumped. Just something to top the levels to be normal. [/quote]
I agree- you shouldn’t have too. But look where that has gotten you
There comes a point where you really gotta take the reigns. If you can really not find a way to get it taken care of through a doctor’s care then it is either shut up and deal with it or go and do something about it. Seems to me like you are at that crossroad
What is the industry standard, and what are peoples’ experiences, when you have results that show both “within normal” limits (say 400 ng/dl) and below normal limits (say 200 ng/dl) and that these tests were done within a fairly short period of time from one another.
Do doctors tend to hold to the normal test and disregard the others?
I have been tested for 2 years every few months. My levels are the same all the time. 2 or 3 points above the accepted normal low level. Everything else is normal. Accept the testosterone levels. No matter what I do they stay the same unless I introduce something into my system.
[/quote]
If you are close, there are ways to do this, if you want to go that route:
Meanwhile, in other news, “Cuddling Hormone” will be freely available in every pharmacy, wal-mart, and Bath n’ Bodyworks:
Scientists develop spray to make men more affectionate using ‘cuddle’ hormone oxytocin
Scientists have invented what women want in a man - the sensitivity spray.
They say it is capable of turning the most macho of hunks into a dewy-eyed baby-kisser who says all the right things and stops going down the pub.
Researchers of the Neuromudlation of Emotion - NEMO - faculty at the Friedrich-Wilhelms-University of Bonn say the spray uses the hormone oxytocin, sometimes called ‘the cuddle chemical’ as it stimulates affectionate feelings in humans.
…
In experiments, 24 healthy men took nasal sprays containing oxytocin while 24 others received a placebo.
Afterwards the guinea pigs were shown ‘emotionally loaded’ photographs including a crying child, a young girl embracing a cat and a man in mourning.
The participants were than asked to describe the level of empathy they felt with the subjects in the pictures.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Meanwhile, in other news, “Cuddling Hormone” will be freely available in every pharmacy, wal-mart, and Bath n’ Bodyworks:
Scientists develop spray to make men more affectionate using ‘cuddle’ hormone oxytocin
Scientists have invented what women want in a man - the sensitivity spray.
They say it is capable of turning the most macho of hunks into a dewy-eyed baby-kisser who says all the right things and stops going down the pub.
Researchers of the Neuromudlation of Emotion - NEMO - faculty at the Friedrich-Wilhelms-University of Bonn say the spray uses the hormone oxytocin, sometimes called ‘the cuddle chemical’ as it stimulates affectionate feelings in humans.
…
In experiments, 24 healthy men took nasal sprays containing oxytocin while 24 others received a placebo.
Afterwards the guinea pigs were shown ‘emotionally loaded’ photographs including a crying child, a young girl embracing a cat and a man in mourning.
The participants were than asked to describe the level of empathy they felt with the subjects in the pictures.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Meanwhile, in other news, “Cuddling Hormone” will be freely available in every pharmacy, wal-mart, and Bath n’ Bodyworks:
Scientists develop spray to make men more affectionate using ‘cuddle’ hormone oxytocin
Scientists have invented what women want in a man - the sensitivity spray.
They say it is capable of turning the most macho of hunks into a dewy-eyed baby-kisser who says all the right things and stops going down the pub.
Researchers of the Neuromudlation of Emotion - NEMO - faculty at the Friedrich-Wilhelms-University of Bonn say the spray uses the hormone oxytocin, sometimes called ‘the cuddle chemical’ as it stimulates affectionate feelings in humans.
…
In experiments, 24 healthy men took nasal sprays containing oxytocin while 24 others received a placebo.
Afterwards the guinea pigs were shown ‘emotionally loaded’ photographs including a crying child, a young girl embracing a cat and a man in mourning.
The participants were than asked to describe the level of empathy they felt with the subjects in the pictures.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Meanwhile, in other news, “Cuddling Hormone” will be freely available in every pharmacy, wal-mart, and Bath n’ Bodyworks:
Scientists develop spray to make men more affectionate using ‘cuddle’ hormone oxytocin
Scientists have invented what women want in a man - the sensitivity spray.
They say it is capable of turning the most macho of hunks into a dewy-eyed baby-kisser who says all the right things and stops going down the pub.
Researchers of the Neuromudlation of Emotion - NEMO - faculty at the Friedrich-Wilhelms-University of Bonn say the spray uses the hormone oxytocin, sometimes called ‘the cuddle chemical’ as it stimulates affectionate feelings in humans.
…
In experiments, 24 healthy men took nasal sprays containing oxytocin while 24 others received a placebo.
Afterwards the guinea pigs were shown ‘emotionally loaded’ photographs including a crying child, a young girl embracing a cat and a man in mourning.
The participants were than asked to describe the level of empathy they felt with the subjects in the pictures.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Meanwhile, in other news, “Cuddling Hormone” will be freely available in every pharmacy, wal-mart, and Bath n’ Bodyworks:
Scientists develop spray to make men more affectionate using ‘cuddle’ hormone oxytocin
Scientists have invented what women want in a man - the sensitivity spray.
They say it is capable of turning the most macho of hunks into a dewy-eyed baby-kisser who says all the right things and stops going down the pub.
Researchers of the Neuromudlation of Emotion - NEMO - faculty at the Friedrich-Wilhelms-University of Bonn say the spray uses the hormone oxytocin, sometimes called ‘the cuddle chemical’ as it stimulates affectionate feelings in humans.
…
In experiments, 24 healthy men took nasal sprays containing oxytocin while 24 others received a placebo.
Afterwards the guinea pigs were shown ‘emotionally loaded’ photographs including a crying child, a young girl embracing a cat and a man in mourning.
The participants were than asked to describe the level of empathy they felt with the subjects in the pictures.
DAMN YOU HOLLYWOOD! SOCCER MOMS BELIEVED YOU and SCARED THE MEDIA! I BLAME HOLLYWOOD! DAMN! DAMN! DAMN!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
That’s true but I think you missed my point when it came to mass media and people eating their bullshit without questioning or doing further research. Test is a drug and drugs don’t get a good rep from the media.[/quote]
You’re right, I didn’t focus on that part of your post. But I bet you if there was a drug that made women’s tits bigger and made them feel younger, there wouldn’t be as much resistance to it.
There ton’s of stupid drugs out there that people don’t need. I see them on TV every day.[/quote]
I don’t know what drugs you are talking about but I would guess they don’t get much media coverage. With TEST as soon as something bad happens the media is all over it. [/quote]
I wonder if the real culprit is really just professional sports, and the “anti-cheating” attitude, i.e. if steroids are bad in professional baseball (even though they are only bad in terms of it being “cheating” not performance), then they must be bad always.
[/quote]
That alone is why lay-people and politicians should never be in charge of dictating what someone else can see for treatment by their own physician. The DOCTOR should be in control of that, not some retarded soccer mom from Texas who voted against it because she is afraid her son may get some and “rage” on the whole family.
I will be glad when adults can go back to being adults instead of having to live “for the children” whether they have any or not.[/quote]
Fortunately, I have a doctor who is willing to prescribe TRT even if T levels are within the so called normal range. I have been feeling like complete garbage for a very long time and was given anti-depressants and have been on them consistently for the past 6 years (and off and on since I was 17). And while I cannot deny I have had some improvement I do not feel my physical well being has improved.
I get sick often, am always tired, embarasingly lately my libido isnt the same as it has been (may have something to do with the ADs) and that loss of enjoyment of life seems to be present. About the only thing that doesent coincide with the low t is I am able to maintain muscle mass somewhat.
So I have been tested twice within a span of 2 months, first came in at 241 ng.dl and the second at around 300 ng.dl. Fearing that since my T levels are still within the normal range I would not be given the option of TRT, but she is still willing to prescribe Androgel. I am speaking with her on the 4th.
do some research BEFORE going on androgel. There may be other ways around it. Read the E2 estradiol thread in the Over 35 Forum. Androgel will shut down your natural production of T.
I too have a doctor willing to help me out (442 in 300-1200 range) but I am going to start experimenting with some chems to get my estrogen levels in check first.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Fortunately, I have a doctor who is willing to prescribe TRT even if T levels are within the so called normal range. I have been feeling like complete garbage for a very long time and was given anti-depressants and have been on them consistently for the past 6 years (and off and on since I was 17). And while I cannot deny I have had some improvement I do not feel my physical well being has improved.
I get sick often, am always tired, embarasingly lately my libido isnt the same as it has been (may have something to do with the ADs) and that loss of enjoyment of life seems to be present. About the only thing that doesent coincide with the low t is I am able to maintain muscle mass somewhat.
So I have been tested twice within a span of 2 months, first came in at 241 ng.dl and the second at around 300 ng.dl. Fearing that since my T levels are still within the normal range I would not be given the option of TRT, but she is still willing to prescribe Androgel. I am speaking with her on the 4th.
I am gonna check out that thread. I guess she wants to put me on the gel because it is less evasive than some other methods. This info you have given has opened up another can of worms. Will taking TRT alone solve the Low T issue, or is there other meds, etc you have to take to get the full effect? I can probably inundate you with questions, but I will go to the over 35 forum and check it out (1 year earlyâ?¦lol)
I am gonna check out that thread. I guess she wants to put me on the gel because it is less evasive than some other methods. This info you have given has opened up another can of worms. Will taking TRT alone solve the Low T issue, or is there other meds, etc you have to take to get the full effect? I can probably inundate you with questions, but I will go to the over 35 forum and check it out (1 year earlyâ?¦lol)
[/quote]
I’m only 24 so I am there WAYYYYY to early!
A little insight for your studying: Adding a test booster alone may/may not fix it depending on a lot of other issues. E rises with T- if you increase your T, your E will rise.
I am gonna check out that thread. I guess she wants to put me on the gel because it is less evasive than some other methods. This info you have given has opened up another can of worms. Will taking TRT alone solve the Low T issue, or is there other meds, etc you have to take to get the full effect? I can probably inundate you with questions, but I will go to the over 35 forum and check it out (1 year early�¢?�¦lol)
[/quote]
I’m only 24 so I am there WAYYYYY to early!
A little insight for your studying: Adding a test booster alone may/may not fix it depending on a lot of other issues. E rises with T- if you increase your T, your E will rise.[/quote]
Thanks I appreciate the info…as with life nothing is ever cut and dry
