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i felt like shit my entire teenage and adult life. chronic depression, weight problems, on and on. I finally got my doc to test for T, total T was 243.

I begged him to please let me just try some T for while. He relented. I have never felt better, or looked better.

go back to your doc and plead for a test run of six months to see if your mood etc improve. It has been the single most significant health care decision I have made. check out the photos on my hub…

i’m still on the antidepressant,because of the side effects of going off…but if I had used the T first,I may never have needed the pills.

[quote]dirtbag wrote:

[quote]zooropa1150 wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
It amazes me that both the general public and scientific community accept injecting botox (a relative of botulism) into a persons lips, implanting a silicone bag in a females chest to mimick larger breasts, or using a vacuum to suck the fat out of a lazy fat persons body (knowing damn well they’ll gain it back). These are all OK. But giving and adult male a hormone that they are deficient in…well that’s just crazy. Why the fuck are people so afraid of this? [/quote]

Isn’t the problem here that the “normal values” of T-levels are pretty low and have a high range difference. So unless a Doctor is an advocate for TRT, or like the poster above said, in a rich area, getting prescribed TRT seems to be pretty hard. I would assume many people going for TRT are in the “normal” values of T-levels. And again, I am just going to play devils advocate and post this excerpt from Sanjay Gupta to have some cool discussions.

�¢?? He explains, for example, that while levels of growth hormone declines with age, it has not been proven to be beneficial to try and maintain young person�¢??s levels and that trials are clearly showing:

negative side effects in the form of increased risk for cancer, cardiovascular disease and behavior changes…[and] that lower growth-hormone levels are an indicator of health. Research findings indicate that mice that overproduce growth hormones live only a short time, suggesting that growth-hormone deficiency itself does not cause accelerated aging, but that the opposite may be true. The risk/benefit ratios for testosterone replacement and growth hormone treatment have not been established in older persons, and trials of DHEA have failed to show significant clinical benefits in normal aging…It therefore pays to be cautious until adequate clinical trials have been completed and analyzed.[/quote]

And what about the people like me. Who are on the low low end of testosterone levels. I just squeek by the normal range(by one or 2 points). So my Dr refuses to treat me. Giving me the pass the buck routine to endo’s and the endo says your just fine.

I have been holding on for 2 years now waiting for my dr to finally do something about it.

All of this can be avoided if there was not so many people like you saying this could be the wrong thing to do.

I am 35 this year and feel like I am 85.
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[quote]PDJD wrote:
i felt like shit my entire teenage and adult life. chronic depression, weight problems, on and on. I finally got my doc to test for T, total T was 243.

I begged him to please let me just try some T for while. He relented. I have never felt better, or looked better.

go back to your doc and plead for a test run of six months to see if your mood etc improve. It has been the single most significant health care decision I have made. check out the photos on my hub…

i’m still on the antidepressant,because of the side effects of going off…but if I had used the T first,I may never have needed the pills.

[quote]dirtbag wrote:

[quote]zooropa1150 wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
It amazes me that both the general public and scientific community accept injecting botox (a relative of botulism) into a persons lips, implanting a silicone bag in a females chest to mimick larger breasts, or using a vacuum to suck the fat out of a lazy fat persons body (knowing damn well they’ll gain it back). These are all OK. But giving and adult male a hormone that they are deficient in…well that’s just crazy. Why the fuck are people so afraid of this? [/quote]

Isn’t the problem here that the “normal values” of T-levels are pretty low and have a high range difference. So unless a Doctor is an advocate for TRT, or like the poster above said, in a rich area, getting prescribed TRT seems to be pretty hard. I would assume many people going for TRT are in the “normal” values of T-levels. And again, I am just going to play devils advocate and post this excerpt from Sanjay Gupta to have some cool discussions.

�?�¢?? He explains, for example, that while levels of growth hormone declines with age, it has not been proven to be beneficial to try and maintain young person�?�¢??s levels and that trials are clearly showing:

negative side effects in the form of increased risk for cancer, cardiovascular disease and behavior changes…[and] that lower growth-hormone levels are an indicator of health. Research findings indicate that mice that overproduce growth hormones live only a short time, suggesting that growth-hormone deficiency itself does not cause accelerated aging, but that the opposite may be true. The risk/benefit ratios for testosterone replacement and growth hormone treatment have not been established in older persons, and trials of DHEA have failed to show significant clinical benefits in normal aging…It therefore pays to be cautious until adequate clinical trials have been completed and analyzed.[/quote]

And what about the people like me. Who are on the low low end of testosterone levels. I just squeek by the normal range(by one or 2 points). So my Dr refuses to treat me. Giving me the pass the buck routine to endo’s and the endo says your just fine.

I have been holding on for 2 years now waiting for my dr to finally do something about it.

All of this can be avoided if there was not so many people like you saying this could be the wrong thing to do.

I am 35 this year and feel like I am 85.
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My sentiments exactly…I wonder if the awareness of low T had been around with medical professionals say 15 years ago would I ever gone on on antidepressants. Ill never know but cant help but wonder.

PDJD…was there any adverse interactions between the Antidepressants and the TRT? I am terrified of going off my meds because of the sideffects, and from what I have read the medication I am on (effexor) has some seriously shitty withdrawal symptoms.

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[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]Spartiates wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
What I don’t get is why are women encouraged to have hormone replacement/supplementation, basically from the time we are old enough to make a baby until menopause and beyond, and it’s so taboo for a man to get the very substance that makes him male. It’s like the dangers of female cancers and health issues that may be caused by loading our bodies with excess estrogen for years are no big deal compared with the evils of test.
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My fiancee (who has been taking oral estrogen from an early age for her skin) tried to lecture me once on how she would hate me if I ever started taking testosterone. I made sure she never had the nerve to bring it up again.[/quote]

Did she ever explain here reasoning there?
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Women and reasoning? Surely you jest![/quote]

Good point.

My mistake…I thought this involved logic.[/quote]

There was logic there. She cares about you and wants you to be safe. She was ill-informed but her logic was simple.