[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Pretty much…
Women who don’t need birth control aren’t trying to buy their friends stash. They also aren’t trying to compete with their friends or get a stronger dose than neccessary. The same with most drugs that the FDA provides easier access to.
Test may help a ton of people but it gets into the wrong hands way to easy. If tons of 70 year old men started getting test from their doctor the first thing most of them would do is sell it. Yes the health nuts would love it but the couch potatoes would love the money way more.
The same thing with ephedra, weed and similar drugs where there are people who just want to get the most they can.
As a government official you would have to be scared of the snowball effect of teens taking stronger doses to compete with the next teen taking a stronger dose. The only reason alcohol is even legal is because of catostrophic effect it had on the economy and crime.[/quote]
So by this logic, should they ban percosets and valium as well? Testosterone is not the only drug that has the potential to be abused, yet the many other’s are prescribed willy nilly. My ortho asks me if I need painkillers every visit even though I keep telling him I stopped taking them 2 weeks after surgery. (its been 10 weeks since surgery now) I can just as easily take them and sell them at $5 a pop. That doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t ever be prescribed. [/quote]
How are you going to compare Testosterone to painkillers? Who the hell buys pain killers to get high when weed, ecstasy, shrooms, alcohol are easily available?
On the other hand “supplementing” with Testosterone can be used to help create hormonal balances as well as to help build large amounts of muscle.
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um… alcohol is a pain killer, don’t know about the others.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Lock wrote:
A question for the doctors on board here:
Can you freely express your views on the positive effects testosterone has on the body in your workplace?
Or do risk actually losing your job if you do that?[/quote]
Please. I don’t even discuss bodybuilding at work. For one, I am the only doc here most days which means I am mostly surrounded by assistants who have the same generalized belief structure as most people who have no real medical background or personal experience.
Think about this…my grandmother’s quality of life, in my opinion, could have been better towards the end if she had access to marijuana. I believe it should be legalized largely because of this. Do you think I can openly state this at work to everyone?[/quote]
That is sad. Sounds like an old boys network. Play our way or don’t play
Hey X…are you lurking in the shadows of that avatar for a reason, or did you just forget to pay your Electric bill?
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
[quote]cryptik wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Cause in Canada I will have to pay out of pocket to see a Dr not refereed by my family practitioner. I can’t afford that.
If I had resources other then my family Dr that would not be 100$ an hour I would use it. [/quote]
Then get another family dr. If you want it bad enough, there are solutions.[/quote]
I am with randman on this one. google bioidentical hormone docs.[/quote]
I dunno if you know this but there are a shortage of Dr’s in Canada. I would have to travel outside of the city I live in just to see one. That I have searched for that is not full and is taking patients.
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How’s that national health care working out for you guys?
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I don’t want to get into a national health care debate. But it comes down to who pays more. Big Corp hospitals in the states or public funded hospital in Canada. Greed comes down to the final decision if Dr stays here or not.
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
I don’t want to get into a national health care debate. But it comes down to who pays more. Big Corp hospitals in the states or public funded hospital in Canada. Greed comes down to the final decision if Dr stays here or not.[/quote]
We’re just screwing with you…
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]cryptik wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Its cause testosterone is abused. And because of the abuse of testosterone its been demonized in the public’s mind. Also its a banned sports substance because of this abuse. Because sports are more important then health concerns. That is how you keep people from abusing it and cheating in sports.
All hail sports … all hail not helping people that need medical treatment. All hail lieing and spreading misinformation!!!
Cause everything testosterone is EVIL!!!
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Pretty much…
Women who don’t need birth control aren’t trying to buy their friends stash. They also aren’t trying to compete with their friends or get a stronger dose than neccessary. The same with most drugs that the FDA provides easier access to.
Test may help a ton of people but it gets into the wrong hands way to easy. If tons of 70 year old men started getting test from their doctor the first thing most of them would do is sell it. Yes the health nuts would love it but the couch potatoes would love the money way more.
The same thing with ephedra, weed and similar drugs where there are people who just want to get the most they can.
As a government official you would have to be scared of the snowball effect of teens taking stronger doses to compete with the next teen taking a stronger dose. The only reason alcohol is even legal is because of catostrophic effect it had on the economy and crime.[/quote]
Prohibition failed because it was unenforceable. not a catastrophic effect. [/quote]
It caused a lot of crime too, but mostly it failed because everyone wanted to drink.[/quote]
Just as many people want to smoke weed too. That’s still illegal. While many things contributed to the great depression, I’m still of the theory that a world wide industry being prohibited in the united states had a great contribution to that. As well as when it was over the economy picking back up.
The number of Liqour stores and Bars are second to grocery stores where I live. I couldn’t imagine how devastating it would be if they all had to close down, and restaurants had to stop selling liqour. How many industries that would effect.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]cryptik wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Its cause testosterone is abused. And because of the abuse of testosterone its been demonized in the public’s mind. Also its a banned sports substance because of this abuse. Because sports are more important then health concerns. That is how you keep people from abusing it and cheating in sports.
All hail sports … all hail not helping people that need medical treatment. All hail lieing and spreading misinformation!!!
Cause everything testosterone is EVIL!!!
[/quote]
Pretty much…
Women who don’t need birth control aren’t trying to buy their friends stash. They also aren’t trying to compete with their friends or get a stronger dose than neccessary. The same with most drugs that the FDA provides easier access to.
Test may help a ton of people but it gets into the wrong hands way to easy. If tons of 70 year old men started getting test from their doctor the first thing most of them would do is sell it. Yes the health nuts would love it but the couch potatoes would love the money way more.
The same thing with ephedra, weed and similar drugs where there are people who just want to get the most they can.
As a government official you would have to be scared of the snowball effect of teens taking stronger doses to compete with the next teen taking a stronger dose. The only reason alcohol is even legal is because of catostrophic effect it had on the economy and crime.[/quote]
Prohibition failed because it was unenforceable. not a catastrophic effect. [/quote]
It caused a lot of crime too, but mostly it failed because everyone wanted to drink.[/quote]
Just as many people want to smoke weed too. That’s still illegal. While many things contributed to the great depression, I’m still of the theory that a world wide industry being prohibited in the united states had a great contribution to that. As well as when it was over the economy picking back up.
The number of Liqour stores and Bars are second to grocery stores where I live. I couldn’t imagine how devastating it would be if they all had to close down, and restaurants had to stop selling liqour. How many industries that would effect.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Hey X…are you lurking in the shadows of that avatar for a reason, or did you just forget to pay your Electric bill?[/quote]
Sunlight can’t get past him, duh.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Hey X…are you lurking in the shadows of that avatar for a reason, or did you just forget to pay your Electric bill?[/quote]
LOl…you bastard.
I had all of the lights turned on so I don’t know what happened. I think the light outside is what the camera focused on making the rest of the pic darker. That may be why you can see damn near everything outside but so little inside. It really wasn’t intentional but I could see a hint of abs so I kept it.
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Pretty much…
Women who don’t need birth control aren’t trying to buy their friends stash. They also aren’t trying to compete with their friends or get a stronger dose than neccessary. The same with most drugs that the FDA provides easier access to.
Test may help a ton of people but it gets into the wrong hands way to easy. If tons of 70 year old men started getting test from their doctor the first thing most of them would do is sell it. Yes the health nuts would love it but the couch potatoes would love the money way more.
The same thing with ephedra, weed and similar drugs where there are people who just want to get the most they can.
As a government official you would have to be scared of the snowball effect of teens taking stronger doses to compete with the next teen taking a stronger dose. The only reason alcohol is even legal is because of catostrophic effect it had on the economy and crime.[/quote]
So by this logic, should they ban percosets and valium as well? Testosterone is not the only drug that has the potential to be abused, yet the many other’s are prescribed willy nilly. My ortho asks me if I need painkillers every visit even though I keep telling him I stopped taking them 2 weeks after surgery. (its been 10 weeks since surgery now) I can just as easily take them and sell them at $5 a pop. That doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t ever be prescribed. [/quote]
How are you going to compare Testosterone to painkillers? Who the hell buys pain killers to get high when weed, ecstasy, shrooms, alcohol are easily available?
On the other hand “supplementing” with Testosterone can be used to help create hormonal balances as well as to help build large amounts of muscle.
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Is that a serious question? If you really believe there is little demand for recreational use of painkillers then I don’t know what we can do to convince you otherwise. But I went to a rich white high school and I can tell you for a fact that the most abused drugs were painkillers.
Like they said in the second article, the best way to change the mindset of the scientific community (and eventually everyone else) is to set up long term studies of HRT and cancer/cardiac disease/gout/spinal bifida/whatever other random condition they want to use to demonize T. This new review on old literature is a good start. However, a focused experimental approach to the effects of HRT would be much more convincing to the general public.
Unfortunately, finding the funding for such a long term human study is going to be difficult because of all the negative stigma against test and previous research supposedly linking it to said diseases. Trying to change a paradigm in science is a very risky proposition, and the NIH or other funding agencies will shy away from a risky bet. Considering the fact that NIH funding comes from taxes, writing your congressman would be a way to start changing society’s view on test. Directly contacting the NIH might work as well.
If you’re looking for something simpler, print out that review and show it to your doctor. Get the word out in the medical community. Unfortunately, not many practicing physicians keep up on all the new science papers. Docs get generally only get updates about the science relevant to their field. If the topic is something outside their specialty, they probably won’t be very up to date. Show them the article and ask them what they think about HRT (even if you aren’t trying to start therapy yourself). Get them thinking about it.
I’m glad my andrologist-urologist has treated me properly for my hypogonadism that I’ve had for 9 years. I’d be in VERY big trouble without him.
A distinction should also be made between HRT in men (usually elderly) with low T-levels vs. men with normal T-levels who just want them higher. The first scenario is much more accepted and likely to be treated (by some docs). The second - not so much. It would be more likely if most elderly males were treated with HRT. HRT would be more widely accepted both in the profession and media.
The problem is that the general public and media’s opinion is Testosterone = Chris Benoit, RoidRage, etc etc.
[quote]engerland66 wrote:
A distinction should also be made between HRT in men (usually elderly) with low T-levels vs. men with normal T-levels who just want them higher. The first scenario is much more accepted and likely to be treated (by some docs). The second - not so much. It would be more likely if most elderly males were treated with HRT. HRT would be more widely accepted both in the profession and media.
The problem is that the general public and media’s opinion is Testosterone = Chris Benoit, RoidRage, etc etc.[/quote]
These studies must be performed on 30-50 year old extremely feminine gay men, so as not to skew any masculinity in the process and make sure testosterone is accepted mainstream after the study.
If society in the US today can think men can be fully feminine and sensitive with high test levels, then we can combat the view that testosterone = bad, violence, beat up people…thing.
I’m half kidding…I think that may actually work.
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
How are you going to compare Testosterone to painkillers? Who the hell buys pain killers to get high when weed, ecstasy, shrooms, alcohol are easily available?
On the other hand “supplementing” with Testosterone can be used to help create hormonal balances as well as to help build large amounts of muscle.
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Huh? Do you really believe there’s no black market for painkillers? I’ve had at least 3 different people offer me money for my pain pills. One because he has no insurance and gets serious toothaches and the others for recreational purposes. They have access to weed and smoke regularly. Pain killers and anti-anxiety pills valium are a different high. Especially when you mix them with a little alcohol.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
How are you going to compare Testosterone to painkillers? Who the hell buys pain killers to get high when weed, ecstasy, shrooms, alcohol are easily available?
On the other hand “supplementing” with Testosterone can be used to help create hormonal balances as well as to help build large amounts of muscle.
[/quote]
Huh? Do you really believe there’s no black market for painkillers? I’ve had at least 3 different people offer me money for my pain pills. One because he has no insurance and gets serious toothaches and the others for recreational purposes. They have access to weed and smoke regularly. Pain killers and anti-anxiety pills valium are a different high. Especially when you mix them with a little alcohol. [/quote]
I think that kid is a bit of a “life-virgin.”
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
How are you going to compare Testosterone to painkillers? Who the hell buys pain killers to get high when weed, ecstasy, shrooms, alcohol are easily available?
On the other hand “supplementing” with Testosterone can be used to help create hormonal balances as well as to help build large amounts of muscle.
[/quote]
Huh? Do you really believe there’s no black market for painkillers? I’ve had at least 3 different people offer me money for my pain pills. One because he has no insurance and gets serious toothaches and the others for recreational purposes. They have access to weed and smoke regularly. Pain killers and anti-anxiety pills valium are a different high. Especially when you mix them with a little alcohol. [/quote]
I think that kid is a bit of a “life-virgin.”
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Maybe I wrote my statement the wrong way. I know there’s people that use painkillers to get high but what I mean is that there are other options for similar effects.
Test on the other hand is one of the main drugs to raise testosterone levels. So there’s not a lot of other options to choose from.
And yes heavytriple I’m a total “life virgin” because I’ve never used painkillers as a recreational drug…please man get out of here with that shit.