[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Its cause testosterone is abused. And because of the abuse of testosterone its been demonized in the public’s mind. Also its a banned sports substance because of this abuse. Because sports are more important then health concerns. That is how you keep people from abusing it and cheating in sports.
All hail sports … all hail not helping people that need medical treatment. All hail lieing and spreading misinformation!!!
Cause everything testosterone is EVIL!!!
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Pretty much…
Women who don’t need birth control aren’t trying to buy their friends stash. They also aren’t trying to compete with their friends or get a stronger dose than neccessary. The same with most drugs that the FDA provides easier access to.
Test may help a ton of people but it gets into the wrong hands way to easy. If tons of 70 year old men started getting test from their doctor the first thing most of them would do is sell it. Yes the health nuts would love it but the couch potatoes would love the money way more.
The same thing with ephedra, weed and similar drugs where there are people who just want to get the most they can.
As a government official you would have to be scared of the snowball effect of teens taking stronger doses to compete with the next teen taking a stronger dose. The only reason alcohol is even legal is because of catostrophic effect it had on the economy and crime.
[quote]dianab wrote:
What I don’t get is why are women encouraged to have hormone replacement/supplementation, basically from the time we are old enough to make a baby until menopause and beyond, and it’s so taboo for a man to get the very substance that makes him male. It’s like the dangers of female cancers and health issues that may be caused by loading our bodies with excess estrogen for years are no big deal compared with the evils of test.
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My fiancee (who has been taking oral estrogen from an early age for her skin) tried to lecture me once on how she would hate me if I ever started taking testosterone. I made sure she never had the nerve to bring it up again.[/quote]
I am very interested in what her reasoning was. I am also wondering if she would change her mind if this affected your sex life.
People who blindly follow unsubstantiated media bother me. I tend to avoid them.
We have a country filled with BPA/estrogenic/moob inducing environmental factors turning us into cross-gendered expressions of what a man is supposed to be yet we have a society that has somehow managed to turn everything that used to be considered “masculine” into a negative.
What is the final outcome of a mentality like that if we think ahead 50 years?[/quote]
Iâ??m sure she brought it up because of my interest in lifting and growing.
I sat down with her and drew up a pros and cons list of testosterone for me using webmd and other information. She was big on the cons and didnâ??t realize many of the pros.
She seemed a little bit convinced after we did that. I then started a new pros and con list for her taking estrogen and caught her off guard. She had what I would call an eye opening experience when we compared the lists.
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Its cause testosterone is abused. And because of the abuse of testosterone its been demonized in the public’s mind. Also its a banned sports substance because of this abuse. Because sports are more important then health concerns. That is how you keep people from abusing it and cheating in sports.
All hail sports … all hail not helping people that need medical treatment. All hail lieing and spreading misinformation!!!
Cause everything testosterone is EVIL!!!
[/quote]
Pretty much…
Women who don’t need birth control aren’t trying to buy their friends stash. They also aren’t trying to compete with their friends or get a stronger dose than neccessary. The same with most drugs that the FDA provides easier access to.
Test may help a ton of people but it gets into the wrong hands way to easy. If tons of 70 year old men started getting test from their doctor the first thing most of them would do is sell it. Yes the health nuts would love it but the couch potatoes would love the money way more.
The same thing with ephedra, weed and similar drugs where there are people who just want to get the most they can.
As a government official you would have to be scared of the snowball effect of teens taking stronger doses to compete with the next teen taking a stronger dose. The only reason alcohol is even legal is because of catostrophic effect it had on the economy and crime.[/quote]
Prohibition failed because it was unenforceable. not a catastrophic effect.
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Cause in Canada I will have to pay out of pocket to see a Dr not refereed by my family practitioner. I can’t afford that.
If I had resources other then my family Dr that would not be 100$ an hour I would use it. [/quote]
Then get another family dr. If you want it bad enough, there are solutions.[/quote]
I am with randman on this one. google bioidentical hormone docs.[/quote]
I dunno if you know this but there are a shortage of Dr’s in Canada. I would have to travel outside of the city I live in just to see one. That I have searched for that is not full and is taking patients.
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Its cause testosterone is abused. And because of the abuse of testosterone its been demonized in the public’s mind. Also its a banned sports substance because of this abuse. Because sports are more important then health concerns. That is how you keep people from abusing it and cheating in sports.
All hail sports … all hail not helping people that need medical treatment. All hail lieing and spreading misinformation!!!
Cause everything testosterone is EVIL!!!
[/quote]
Pretty much…
Women who don’t need birth control aren’t trying to buy their friends stash. They also aren’t trying to compete with their friends or get a stronger dose than neccessary. The same with most drugs that the FDA provides easier access to.
Test may help a ton of people but it gets into the wrong hands way to easy. If tons of 70 year old men started getting test from their doctor the first thing most of them would do is sell it. Yes the health nuts would love it but the couch potatoes would love the money way more.
The same thing with ephedra, weed and similar drugs where there are people who just want to get the most they can.
As a government official you would have to be scared of the snowball effect of teens taking stronger doses to compete with the next teen taking a stronger dose. The only reason alcohol is even legal is because of catostrophic effect it had on the economy and crime.[/quote]
Prohibition failed because it was unenforceable. not a catastrophic effect. [/quote]
It caused a lot of crime too, but mostly it failed because everyone wanted to drink.
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Cause in Canada I will have to pay out of pocket to see a Dr not refereed by my family practitioner. I can’t afford that.
If I had resources other then my family Dr that would not be 100$ an hour I would use it. [/quote]
Then get another family dr. If you want it bad enough, there are solutions.[/quote]
I am with randman on this one. google bioidentical hormone docs.[/quote]
I dunno if you know this but there are a shortage of Dr’s in Canada. I would have to travel outside of the city I live in just to see one. That I have searched for that is not full and is taking patients.
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No sorry I did not know that. I live in the US. Sorry for your luck then man.
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Its cause testosterone is abused. And because of the abuse of testosterone its been demonized in the public’s mind. Also its a banned sports substance because of this abuse. Because sports are more important then health concerns. That is how you keep people from abusing it and cheating in sports.
All hail sports … all hail not helping people that need medical treatment. All hail lieing and spreading misinformation!!!
Cause everything testosterone is EVIL!!!
[/quote]
Pretty much…
Women who don’t need birth control aren’t trying to buy their friends stash. They also aren’t trying to compete with their friends or get a stronger dose than neccessary. The same with most drugs that the FDA provides easier access to.
Test may help a ton of people but it gets into the wrong hands way to easy. If tons of 70 year old men started getting test from their doctor the first thing most of them would do is sell it. Yes the health nuts would love it but the couch potatoes would love the money way more.
The same thing with ephedra, weed and similar drugs where there are people who just want to get the most they can.
As a government official you would have to be scared of the snowball effect of teens taking stronger doses to compete with the next teen taking a stronger dose. The only reason alcohol is even legal is because of catostrophic effect it had on the economy and crime.[/quote]
If certain drugs were legal and the government educated citizens on the effects(good and bad) of each drug there would be less idiots taking stronger doses for the sake of having the same effect.
My dad’s friend’s nephew’s wife’s brother-in-law-from-her-first-marriage’s boss’s daughter’s camp buddy’s uncle once took Tribulus (you know, STEROIDS) and shot up a whole town. True story. Roid rage is real.
[quote]Spriont wrote:
My dad’s friend’s nephew’s wife’s brother-in-law-from-her-first-marriage’s boss’s daughter’s camp buddy’s uncle once took Tribulus (you know, STEROIDS) and shot up a whole town. True story. Roid rage is real. ;)[/quote]
If someone shoots a whole town just because his balls drop there was something wrong with the town to begin with.
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Cause in Canada I will have to pay out of pocket to see a Dr not refereed by my family practitioner. I can’t afford that.
If I had resources other then my family Dr that would not be 100$ an hour I would use it. [/quote]
Then get another family dr. If you want it bad enough, there are solutions.[/quote]
I am with randman on this one. google bioidentical hormone docs.[/quote]
I dunno if you know this but there are a shortage of Dr’s in Canada. I would have to travel outside of the city I live in just to see one. That I have searched for that is not full and is taking patients.
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No sorry I did not know that. I live in the US. Sorry for your luck then man.[/quote]
Either that or make more money and pay for services from another doc. Lifelong TRT does take a financial commitment. I don’t know what else to tell ya.
Or move to the U.S., get huge and make fun of Canadians and they’re false belief that their healthcare system is superior to ours.
If certain(all) drugs were legal and the government(people) educated citizens(themselves) on the effects(good and bad) of each drug there would be less idiots taking stronger doses for the sake of having the same effect.[/quote]
[quote]Spriont wrote:
My dad’s friend’s nephew’s wife’s brother-in-law-from-her-first-marriage’s boss’s daughter’s camp buddy’s uncle once took Tribulus (you know, STEROIDS) and shot up a whole town. True story. Roid rage is real. ;)[/quote]
Wow that sounds like some strong ass trib …Do you think they will give it to me for medical reasons …never know it might help.
Women who don’t need birth control aren’t trying to buy their friends stash. They also aren’t trying to compete with their friends or get a stronger dose than neccessary. The same with most drugs that the FDA provides easier access to.
Test may help a ton of people but it gets into the wrong hands way to easy. If tons of 70 year old men started getting test from their doctor the first thing most of them would do is sell it. Yes the health nuts would love it but the couch potatoes would love the money way more.
The same thing with ephedra, weed and similar drugs where there are people who just want to get the most they can.
As a government official you would have to be scared of the snowball effect of teens taking stronger doses to compete with the next teen taking a stronger dose. The only reason alcohol is even legal is because of catostrophic effect it had on the economy and crime.[/quote]
So by this logic, should they ban percosets and valium as well? Testosterone is not the only drug that has the potential to be abused, yet the many other’s are prescribed willy nilly. My ortho asks me if I need painkillers every visit even though I keep telling him I stopped taking them 2 weeks after surgery. (its been 10 weeks since surgery now) I can just as easily take them and sell them at $5 a pop. That doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t ever be prescribed.
[quote]Lock wrote:
A question for the doctors on board here:
Can you freely express your views on the positive effects testosterone has on the body in your workplace?
Or do risk actually losing your job if you do that?[/quote]
Please. I don’t even discuss bodybuilding at work. For one, I am the only doc here most days which means I am mostly surrounded by assistants who have the same generalized belief structure as most people who have no real medical background or personal experience.
Think about this…my grandmother’s quality of life, in my opinion, could have been better towards the end if she had access to marijuana. I believe it should be legalized largely because of this. Do you think I can openly state this at work to everyone?
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Cause in Canada I will have to pay out of pocket to see a Dr not refereed by my family practitioner. I can’t afford that.
If I had resources other then my family Dr that would not be 100$ an hour I would use it. [/quote]
Then get another family dr. If you want it bad enough, there are solutions.[/quote]
I am with randman on this one. google bioidentical hormone docs.[/quote]
I dunno if you know this but there are a shortage of Dr’s in Canada. I would have to travel outside of the city I live in just to see one. That I have searched for that is not full and is taking patients.
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How’s that national health care working out for you guys?
Women who don’t need birth control aren’t trying to buy their friends stash. They also aren’t trying to compete with their friends or get a stronger dose than neccessary. The same with most drugs that the FDA provides easier access to.
Test may help a ton of people but it gets into the wrong hands way to easy. If tons of 70 year old men started getting test from their doctor the first thing most of them would do is sell it. Yes the health nuts would love it but the couch potatoes would love the money way more.
The same thing with ephedra, weed and similar drugs where there are people who just want to get the most they can.
As a government official you would have to be scared of the snowball effect of teens taking stronger doses to compete with the next teen taking a stronger dose. The only reason alcohol is even legal is because of catostrophic effect it had on the economy and crime.[/quote]
So by this logic, should they ban percosets and valium as well? Testosterone is not the only drug that has the potential to be abused, yet the many other’s are prescribed willy nilly. My ortho asks me if I need painkillers every visit even though I keep telling him I stopped taking them 2 weeks after surgery. (its been 10 weeks since surgery now) I can just as easily take them and sell them at $5 a pop. That doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t ever be prescribed. [/quote]
How are you going to compare Testosterone to painkillers? Who the hell buys pain killers to get high when weed, ecstasy, shrooms, alcohol are easily available?
On the other hand “supplementing” with Testosterone can be used to help create hormonal balances as well as to help build large amounts of muscle.
[quote]Lock wrote:
A question for the doctors on board here:
Can you freely express your views on the positive effects testosterone has on the body in your workplace?
Or do risk actually losing your job if you do that?[/quote]
Please. I don’t even discuss bodybuilding at work. For one, I am the only doc here most days which means I am mostly surrounded by assistants who have the same generalized belief structure as most people who have no real medical background or personal experience.
Think about this…my grandmother’s quality of life, in my opinion, could have been better towards the end if she had access to marijuana. I believe it should be legalized largely because of this. Do you think I can openly state this at work to everyone?[/quote]
But if a MEDICAL FUCKING PROFESSIONAL can’t talk about it positively, how the fuck can we turn this current trend around, then? It seems like an impossible task.
