Test, Tren, Winstrol, T3 Cutting Stack

Pharma / TRT
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Whats up guys?
Looking to start this cycle in about a week. But just wanted to see what you guys think and get everything dosed out and ready to go 100%. Anyways, hope you guys can help me out.

STATS:

  • 22, 5’ 9", 208-210, 15-16% bf. (highest my bodyfat has ever been)
  • Lifting heavy and eating big for about 5 years.
  • This will be my third injectable steroid cycle
  • Cycle 1= test cyp 500mg weeks 1-10
  • Cycle 2= injectable dbol weeks 1-4 50mg ed, test prop weeks 1-6 150mg eod and then weeks 6-12 test cyp 500mg
  • I’d also like to add that i have ran a few prohormones. I have run Alpha One, Jungle Warfare, and H-drol.
  • Pct for the prohormones was nolva only and pct for the test/dbol was clomid only.

GOAL:

My goal is to lose AS MUCH body fat as possible (hopefully down to 6-7%) (i hold 90% of my bodyfat in my lovehandle and waist area), while NOT losing muscle and packing on anywhere from 7-10lbs of muscle would be pretty nice too. :slight_smile:

I’ve only had to cut twice and both times i’ve tried to cut naturally and i lost SO much muscle and hardly any fat. I just want to see my abs again like i had when i was a skinny boy at 130lbs and 6% bodyfat. I haven’t really seen my abs at all since i’ve been working out. I’d like to get my veins, definition, and aesthetics back. I’m ready to work for it. I will have my diet, workout, and cardio regime in check.

CUTTING CYCLE:

Weeks 1-10 50mg test Prop taken every day
Weeks 1-8 50mg tren Acetate taken every day
Weeks 1-8 T3 25mg ed week 1-2, 50mg ed week 2-5, 25mg ed week 6-8.
Weeks 1-8 .5mg Caber taken twice a week.
Weeks 5-10 50mg Oral Winstrol ED
*Aromasin and Letrozole on hand just incase.

Pct: (3 days after last shot)
Nolva 20/20/20/20
clomid 50/50/50/50

Questions:

  1. How does the overall cycle look?
    What would you change, and why?
  2. Can anyone recommend a good cardio routine for me? a routine where i would burn a good amount of fat without risking muscle loss.
  3. With this cycle and my cardio and diet in check does my goal look like it could be accomplished?

Thanks alot guys.

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Wow you must look REALLY funny with that 28-29 lbs of bodyfat located solely on your mid-section and only two lbs throughout the rest of your body. I mean, that’s physically impossible, but I’m sure you’ve got a great response.

6-7% bodyfat is not going to happen. Especially when you don’t even list your diet, which means it’s obviously not a concern of yours this cycle. (Even if it was, still not going to happen in 8 weeks.)

LOL- and I would LOVE an explanation for running winstrol through and BEYOND your PCT. Really outside the box; I like it.

T3 at a nice REPLACEMENT DOSAGE. Good thing you’re shutting down your thyroid to run it at the same amount it’s already operating at. Again, outside the box; I’m seeing a pattern here…

Test/Tren at a 1:1 ratio; clearly you’ve done your homework.

A+ You’ve clearly put a lot of time and thought into this.

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[quote]Toby Queef wrote:
Wow you must look REALLY funny with that 28-29 lbs of bodyfat located solely on your mid-section and only two lbs throughout the rest of your body. I mean, that’s physically impossible, but I’m sure you’ve got a great response.

6-7% bodyfat is not going to happen. Especially when you don’t even list your diet, which means it’s obviously not a concern of yours this cycle. (Even if it was, still not going to happen in 8 weeks.)

LOL- and I would LOVE an explanation for running winstrol through and BEYOND your PCT. Really outside the box; I like it.

T3 at a nice REPLACEMENT DOSAGE. Good thing you’re shutting down your thyroid to run it at the same amount it’s already operating at. Again, outside the box; I’m seeing a pattern here…

Test/Tren at a 1:1 ratio; clearly you’ve done your homework.

A+ You’ve clearly put a lot of time and thought into this. [/quote]

Snarkiness aside, 50 mcg (I hope he meant mcg and not mg) per day of T3 is about double the body’s natural well-functioning output of 25 mcg. This is from Bill Roberts. He rarely recommends anyone take more than 50 mcg/day, with the occasional 75 mcg/day. His preferred protocol is actually about 12.5 mcg/day as a “supplemental” dose. Not sure how I feel about that.

You’ve ran T3 at 100 mcg/day if I remmeber correctly, right? How did you feel on that?

Regarding the 1:1 ratio of Test/Tren, with the inclusion of Winny, it looks almost exactly like the cutting cycle Cy Wilson used to recommend on here. Probably could do worse. 350 mg of each/week really isn’t enough to see the sides that you would get from higher doses of either so the 1:1 ratio may be irrelevant. Maybe there’s better ways of doing things, but again, you could do worse.

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25mcg for T3 is replacement dosage. So shutting down your thyroid just to go slightly over that seems really stupid. It’s the same reason we don’t recommend 250mg/wk Test cycles.

I’ve been ramping up the T3 and just today am getting to 100mcg/day. I haven’t noticed anything worthy of reporting thus far. I do need to update that thread though.

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[quote]Toby Queef wrote:
25mcg for T3 is replacement dosage. So shutting down your thyroid just to go slightly over that seems really stupid. It’s the same reason we don’t recommend 250mg/wk Test cycles.

I’ve been ramping up the T3 and just today am getting to 100mcg/day. I haven’t noticed anything worthy of reporting thus far. I do need to update that thread though. [/quote]

Leads me to believe your T3 may be underdosed. At 100mcg I was literally withering away and that was WITH anabolics in the mix.
Also, still waiting on them pics ;).

To the OP, like VTballa suggested I think 350mg a week of each is on the lower side of what I would ever do.
And DEFINETLY run an AI, dont leave it out until you experience sides. Thats foolish.

SB

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Toby Queef, i could respond to you in 2 ways but i don’t have time to argue.

  1. Obviously not all of my bodyfat is in my waist area but every else has a decent amount of definition.
  2. 6-7% is possible.
  3. Idk what your talking about running winstrol BEYOND PCT? Check again bud. Winstrol ends at week 10, which is when i end my test prop.
    4)And ok, then what would you recommend i dose the t3 at?
  4. Whats wrong with a 1:1 ratio of test/tren? I’m not trying to put on much size. mostly lean out.

And @Vtballa: good info. pretty much confirms what i was thinking.\

@singhbuilder: why should i definitely run an AI? If im not gyno prone why use more drugs than i need?

@TobyQueef: Here’s my diet:
(but possible cutting out last 2 weeks because my gear is only lasting 10 weeks)
(Also might be changing the cardio to 4x week 30-45 in the am)
Week 1:
Cardio ***8211; 30 min am; 5 days/wk
Meal 1 ***8211; 1.5 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 2 ***8211; 3 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 6 oz chicken
Meal 3 ***8211; 1 small sweet potato, 6 oz 96/4 extra lean beef
Meal 4 ***8211; 1.5 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 5 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 6 oz chicken
Meal 6 ***8211; 8 oz. lean beef, 1 cup broccoli
Meal 7 ***8211; 2 tbsp peanut butter, 2 scoops protein powder with water

Week 2:
Cardio ***8211; 40 mins am; 5 days/wk
Meal 1 ***8211; 1.5 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 2 ***8211; 3 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 6oz chicken
Meal 3 ***8211; 1 small sweet potato, 6 oz 96/4 extra lean beef
Meal 4 ***8211; 1.5 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 5 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 6 oz chicken
Meal 6 ***8211; 8 oz. lean beef, 1 cup broccoli
Meal 7 ***8211; 2 tbsp peanut butter, 2 scoops protein powder with water

Week 3:
Cardio ***8211; 50 mins am; 6 days/wk
Meal 1 ***8211; 1.5 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 2 ***8211; 3 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 6 oz chicken
Meal 3 ***8211; 1 small sweet potato, 6 oz 96/4 extra lean beef
Meal 4 ***8211; 1.5 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 5 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 6 oz chicken
Meal 6 ***8211; 8 oz. lean beef, 1 cup broccoli
Meal 7 ***8211; 2 tbsp peanut butter, 2 scoops protein powder with water

Week 4:
Cardio ***8211; 1 hr am; 6 days/wk
Meal 1 ***8211; 1.5 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 2 ***8211; 3 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 6 oz chicken
Meal 3 ***8211; 1 small sweet potato, 6 oz 96/4 extra lean beef
Meal 4 ***8211; 1.5 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 5 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 6 oz chicken
Meal 6 ***8211; 8 oz. lean beef, 1 cup broccoli
Meal 7 ***8211; 2 tbsp peanut butter, 2 scoops protein powder with water

Week 5:
Cardio ***8211; 35 mins am, 30 min pwo or evening; 7 days/wk
*begin carb rotation (2 days low carb, 1 day carb load)
First 2 days of week:
Meal 1 ***8211; 1/3 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 2 ***8211; 2 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 6 oz chicken
Meal 3 ***8211; 1/3 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 4 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 6 oz chicken
Meal 5 ***8211; 8 oz lean beef, 1 cup broccoli
Meal 6 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 6 oz chicken
Meal 7 ***8211; 2 tbsp peanut butter, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Third day
Meal 1 ***8211; 2 cups oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 2 ***8211; 4 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 6 oz chicken
Meal 3 ***8211; 1 large sweet potato, 6 oz 96/4 extra lean beef
Meal 4 ***8211; 2 cups oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 5 ***8211; 4 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 6 oz chicken
Meal 6 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 6 oz chicken
Meal 7 ***8211; 2 tbsp peanut butter, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Repeat

Week 6:
Cardio ***8211; 40 mins am, 30 min pwo or evening; 7 days/wk

  • continue carb rotation
    First 2 days of week:
    Meal 1 ***8211; 1/3 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
    Meal 2 ***8211; 2 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 6 oz chicken
    Meal 3 ***8211; 1/3 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
    Meal 4 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 6 oz chicken
    Meal 5 ***8211; 8 oz lean beef, 1 cup broccoli
    Meal 6 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 6 oz chicken
    Meal 7 ***8211; 2 tbsp peanut butter, 2 scoops protein powder with water
    Third day
    Meal 1 ***8211; 2 cups oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
    Meal 2 ***8211; 4 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 6 oz chicken
    Meal 3 ***8211; 1 large sweet potato, 6 oz 96/4 extra lean beef
    Meal 4 ***8211; 2 cups oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
    Meal 5 ***8211; 4 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 6 oz chicken
    Meal 6 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 6 oz chicken
    Meal 7 ***8211; 2 tbsp peanut butter, 2 scoops protein powder with water
    Repeat

Week 7:
Cardio ***8211; 45 min am, 30 pwo or evening; 7 days/wk
*harsher carb rotation (3 days low carb, 1 day carb load) and begin calorie reduction
First 3 days of week:
Meal 1 ***8211; 1/3 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 2 ***8211; 2 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 8 oz chicken
Meal 3 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 8 oz chicken
Meal 4 ***8211; 8 oz lean beef, 1 cup broccoli
Meal 5 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 8 oz chicken
Meal 6 ***8211; 2 tbsp peanut butter, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Fourth day
Meal 1 ***8211; 2 cups oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 2 ***8211; 4 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 8 oz chicken
Meal 3 ***8211; 2 cups oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 4 ***8211; 4 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 8 oz chicken
Meal 5 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 8 oz chicken
Meal 6 ***8211; 2 tbsp peanut butter, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Repeat

Week 8:
Cardio ***8211; 50 mins am, 30 min pwo or evening; 7 days/wk
*continue harsh carb rotation and calorie reduction
First 3 days of week:
Meal 1 ***8211; 1/3 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 2 ***8211; 2 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 8 oz chicken
Meal 3 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 8 oz chicken
Meal 4 ***8211; 8 oz lean beef, 1 cup broccoli
Meal 5 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 8 oz chicken
Meal 6 ***8211; 2 tbsp peanut butter, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Fourth day
Meal 1 ***8211; 2 cups oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 2 ***8211; 4 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 8 oz chicken
Meal 3 ***8211; 2 cups oatmeal, 2 scoops protein powder with water
Meal 4 ***8211; 4 (15g carb each) rice cakes, 8 oz chicken
Meal 5 ***8211; 1 oz. nuts, 8 oz chicken
Meal 6 ***8211; 2 tbsp peanut butter, 2 scoops protein powder with water

Week 9:
Cardio ***8211; 55 min am, 30 min pwo or evening; 7 days/wk
*begin keto diet (no carb).
Meal 1 ***8211; 3 whole eggs, 6 egg whites with spinach and onions
Meal 2 ***8211; 2 scoops protein powder, 1 level tablespoon almond butter
Meal 3 ***8211; 7 oz. (before cooking) chicken breast, 1/3 cups almonds
Meal 4 ***8211; 2 scoops protein powder, 1 level tablespoon almond butter
Meal 5 ***8211; 7 oz. top round, 1 cup broccoli, 1 tbsp almond butter
Meal 6 ***8211; 3 whole eggs, 6 egg whites with spinach and onions

Week 10:
Cardio ***8211; 1 hr am, 30 min pwo or evening; 7 days/wk
*continue keto
Meal 1 ***8211; 3 whole eggs, 6 egg whites with spinach and onions
Meal 2 ***8211; 2 scoops protein powder, 1 level tablespoon almond butter
Meal 3 ***8211; 7 oz. (before cooking) chicken breast, 1/3 cups almonds
Meal 4 ***8211; 2 scoops protein powder, 1 level tablespoon almond butter
Meal 5 ***8211; 7 oz. top round, 1 cup broccoli, 1 tbsp almond butter
Meal 6 ***8211; 3 whole eggs, 6 egg whites with spinach and onions

Week 11:
Cardio ***8211; 1 hr am, 35 min pwo or evening; 7 days/wk
*begin keto/no fat rotation. competitor trainer helped arrange this.
Meal 1 ***8211; 3 whole eggs, 6 egg whites with spinach and onions
Meal 2 ***8211; 2 scoops protein powder, 1 level tablespoon almond butter
Meal 3 ***8211; 7 oz. (before cooking) chicken breast, 1/3 cups almonds
Meal 4 ***8211; 2 scoops protein powder, 1 level tablespoon almond butter
Meal 5 ***8211; 7 oz. top round, 1 cup broccoli, 1 tbsp almond butter
Meal 6 ***8211; 3 whole eggs, 6 egg whites with spinach and onions
B Day:
*no fish oil or CLA
Meal 1 ***8211; 12 egg whites with spinach and onions
Meal 2 ***8211; 2 scoops protein powder in water
Meal 3 ***8211; 7 oz. (before cooking) chicken breast, 2 cups broccoli
Meal 4 ***8211; 2 scoops protein powder in water
Meal 5 ***8211; 7 oz. (before cooking) chicken breast, 2 cups broccoli
Meal 6 ***8211; 12 egg whites with spinach and onions
Repeat

Week 12:
Cardio ***8211; 1hr am, 40 min pwo or evening; 7 days/wk
*harsher keto/no fat rotation, no sugar free/diet snacks.
A Day:
Meal 1 ***8211; 3 whole eggs, 6 egg whites with spinach and onions
Meal 2 ***8211; 2 scoops protein powder, 1 level tablespoon almond butter
Meal 3 ***8211; 7 oz. (before cooking) chicken breast, 1/3 cups almonds
Meal 4 ***8211; 2 scoops protein powder, 1 level tablespoon almond butter
Meal 5 ***8211; 7 oz. top round, 1 cup broccoli, 1 tbsp almond butter
Meal 6 ***8211; 3 whole eggs, 6 egg whites with spinach and onions
B Day:
*no fish oil or CLA
Meal 1 ***8211; 12 egg whites with spinach and onions
Meal 2 ***8211; 2 scoops protein powder in water
Meal 3 ***8211; 7 oz. (before cooking) chicken breast, 2 cups broccoli
Meal 4 ***8211; 2 scoops protein powder in water
Meal 5 ***8211; 7 oz. (before cooking) chicken breast, 2 cups broccoli
Meal 6 ***8211; 12 egg whites with spinach and onions
C Day:
*no fish oil or CLA
Meal 1 ***8211; 12 egg whites with spinach and onions
Meal 2 ***8211; 2 scoops protein powder in water
Meal 3 ***8211; 7 oz. (before cooking) chicken breast, 2 cups broccoli
Meal 4 ***8211; 2 scoops protein powder in water
Meal 5 ***8211; 7 oz. (before cooking) chicken breast, 2 cups broccoli
Meal 6 ***8211; 12 egg whites with spinach and onions
Repeat

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]Toby Queef wrote:
25mcg for T3 is replacement dosage. So shutting down your thyroid just to go slightly over that seems really stupid. It’s the same reason we don’t recommend 250mg/wk Test cycles.

I’ve been ramping up the T3 and just today am getting to 100mcg/day. I haven’t noticed anything worthy of reporting thus far. I do need to update that thread though. [/quote]

Leads me to believe your T3 may be underdosed. At 100mcg I was literally withering away and that was WITH anabolics in the mix.
Also, still waiting on them pics ;).

To the OP, like VTballa suggested I think 350mg a week of each is on the lower side of what I would ever do.
And DEFINETLY run an AI, dont leave it out until you experience sides. Thats foolish.

SB[/quote]

You were also at a much lower bf%. I’ve only been on it for a week; I think it’s too early to determine whether or not it’s underdosed. I’ll be starting the liquid T3 I have in a few days that may shed some light on it.

Also, just like I said three weeks ago (when there was six weeks left) I’m not done for another three weeks.

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[quote]Dumbbell12 wrote:
Toby Queef, i could respond to you in 2 ways but i don’t have time to argue.

  1. Obviously not all of my bodyfat is in my waist area but every else has a decent amount of definition.
  2. 6-7% is possible.
  3. Idk what your talking about running winstrol BEYOND PCT? Check again bud. Winstrol ends at week 10, which is when i end my test prop.
    4)And ok, then what would you recommend i dose the t3 at?
  4. Whats wrong with a 1:1 ratio of test/tren? I’m not trying to put on much size. mostly lean out.

[/quote]

OH you DON’T HAVE TIME to ‘argue’ (a not so clever way of saying you’re unable to provide logic and reasoning) but you do have time to type up every meal of every day for 8 weeks- because that won’t change at all and that’s clearly the most important aspect of what we’re discussing here.

6-7% is NOT possible. You are delusional. I started my cycle which has a lot more shit in it than yours, and at a lower body fat %, and I will be LUCKY to hit single digit bodyfat. Sorry to be the one to break the news to you, but low-dose tren and really low-dose T3 isn’t a miracle drug that’s going to make you lose 9% bodyfat in 8 weeks. Bodyfat is not proportional. It’s not as easy to go from 8% to 7% as it is to go from 21% to 20%. The best part is that you’ve never even used these compounds and for some reason you think you can tell me how they’re going to work for you.

You edited your post. The initial post said Tprop weeks 1-8. Winstrol was the only thing running into 10 weeks, hence my comment.

If you don’t know what’s wrong with a 1:1 Test/Tren ratio THEN CLEARLY YOU HAVEN’T READ ANYTHING ON THESE FORUMS BEFORE. Insert “here, let me google that for you” link here:

Let me know when you hit 6% bodyfat and I’ll change my avatar to a picture of me licking my own ass.

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Obviously i copied and pasted my diet. and it’s *meal

And okay, whatever you say.

And no i didn’t edit my post your just an idiot and obviously lacking basic reading skills.

And okay, might want to go ahead and get started.

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[quote]Dumbbell12 wrote:

And no i didn’t edit my post your just an idiot and obviously lacking basic reading skills.
[/quote]

*You’re. Nothing funnier than someone proving themselves an idiot by calling another person an idiot.

Great response to everything else. The logic is strong with you. Let us know when your cycle is done so we can get you that piece of humble pie.