[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Are you talking about oral primobolan or primobolan depot? The oral isn’t 17-alpha alakylated and therefore has absolutely horrid bioavailability so high dosages are required. I know people personally who have had good results on as low as 200-400mg primobolan depot/week stacked with low dose (250mg/wk) test. It’s my understanding that primo’s effectiveness is largely underestimated since it is 1) somewhat expensive and often underdosed and 2) low on androgenic effects, so it doesn’t carry the instant water weight gain, etc of other drugs.
Not looking for an argument, just questioning your 700mg/wk number since I know people who do well on much lower than that.[/quote]
I am taking neither the primo oral or the depot. Technically its Menthenolone Enanthate (Primobol 100). It’s the long ester in injectable form (obviously). I’ve done a crapload of research on Primobolan and thats precisely why I chose it–>it has the least sides and reacts most safely/favorably with test. I am very sensitive to test, that is why I am doing a low does of test.
I am only doing 400mg of primo because thats all I can afford. Primo’s average dose is 200mg - 400mg so that should be suitable. I know you can do a lot more primo, but after 400mg or 600mg I believe your just throwing money down the tubes and should probably just do some tren instead. I love tren. Im just scared as hell to do it with test because Im afraid the sides will blow up.
I know that I look a little small in my pics, but you must understand that pic was taken after the V-Diet and Pulse Fast where I had gone down from 170 lb to 157 lb. It was the leanest Ive ever been, but I still wasnt single digit body fat. I am trying to see my abs, but as Bones said earlier, I do not have any abdominal hypertrophy. I though you had to get to single digit body fat to see abs. Thats what I was told. Maybe I was misinformed.
Anyway, I’ve been lifting weights for about 8 years. I’ve done a four cycles before this one, so here is my history of use:
1st Cycle
Time: 3.5 years ago
Substance: Trenbolone Acetate (Finaplix)
Dose: 1ml/100mg every three days
Length: 5 weeks
Side Effects: NONE (libido was throught the roof!)
Gains: 6 lb. pure muscle, I looked jacked! It was the shortest, sweetest, best cycle to date!
PCT: 2 large bottles Vitirx
2nd Cycle
Time: 2.5 years ago
Substance: Trenbolone Enanthate, Winstrol (Oral & Injectable)
Dose: 200mg tren weekly, 50mg Winstrol (Rotated between oral and injectable)
Length: 10 weeks
Side Effects: My balls had shrunk about 50%, but my libido was throught the roof!
Gains: Very good, but my ketogenic diet limited me
PCT: Clomid 50mg a day for 30 days, 1 large bottle Vitrix
3rd Cycle
Time: 1.5 year ago
Substance: Test Prop, Tren Acetate, Dbol
Dose: Done incorrectly. I started with the test prop 100mg EOD. A week later I added the tren acetate 100mg EOD and the dbol at 30mg/day. Each substance was used for about four weeks but they were staggered. The last week I was on tren only (bad idea!)
Length: 6 weeks
Side Effects: Fucked up! I started using Nolva 10 - 20 mg ED on cycle. I developed gyno by week three in my left nipple. I increased the nolva dose to 40mg. It made it worse probably because of the test/tren combo. I couldn’t get letro until week 5. I tapered off the nolva and got on the letro. I did the letro for two months to rid the gyno.
I also had no libido starting week 3 of the cycle. First time and it was the worst thing ever! My prostate blew up too, and I went on Flomax for a month. Libido was almost normal in 6 weeks.
Gains: Huge weight gains (20 lb.), but not dry lean muscle that I like.
PCT: Clomid 50mg ED for 30 days (my balls had shrunk about 50%), Letro 2.5mg ED for 2 months, Animal stack (2 bottles), Andactrim gel on my chest for gyno (it was freaking me out; I had a small lump under my left nipple and the areola was enlarged.) Gyno went away and I actually had some sex drive while using the letro. Everything normal by month 3 thank God!
I didn’t properly dose the test last cycle and it test now scares the shit out of me due to the side effects. Apparently, I am sensitive to test an dbol (basically any substance that aromatizes.) The test made me extremely aggressive and somewhat crazy while I was on it. So, for my next cycle I decided to use Equipoise because it is considered something “like” a weaker form of test.
4th Cycle
Date: September 2010
Substance: Epistane, Equipoise
Dose: 3 - 4 capsules for 6 weeks Epi and afterward 400mg - 600mg a week Eq
Length: 6 weeks Epi then 12 weeks Eq
Side Effects: The Epi shrunk my small gyno lump; the Eq aggrivated the gyno a little, but I countered it with Arimidex which seemed to work well at .5mg EOD - ED.
Gains: 12 lb., but it didn’t appear as quality gains that you would get from Trenbolone. The muscle seemed softer and not as dense as Eq is supposed to provide. My strength went up considerably and I trained harder than I ever have (10 hours a week). My squat was the highest it’s ever been. However, I did not get the quality gains I thought I would make (thats why I kept the cycle so long).
PCT: Clomid 300/100/50mg doses for three weeks (my balls shrank about 30%), HCGenerate (1 bottle) and then after that Animal Stack (1 bottle).
I am taking my second run on this cycle with Test, but this time I am doing it safely with Primo, Mast, and Adex; all of which cut back on the negative sides of Test and amplify the positive.
The epi and DHEA are not complete bullshit. They are only oral “bonuses” that also cut back on the negative sides of test. This particular DHEA by Primordial Performance is claimed to a be a substitute for Masteron. Why shouldnt I throw them in there? Theyll probably just synergize with the Test and Primo.
