I have a bad case of Tennis/Golfers elbow's...so tendinitis of the forearm...which has made working out next to impossible for a few weeks. ? to anyone are there and AAS, or peptides that can help eleviate the problem?...I know Deca, and EQ are good for tendons and ligiments...but are they good in this case? any ideas would be great...ice, stretching, advil...just isn't cutting it. gonna try some ART this coming week
You are fucked for life if you don’t adapt your training to suit your body. That means training differently, not less intensely. What you need now is rest and fish oil, then start listening to your body when it sends you messages. AAS will do nothing for you.
I’ve been doin the rest, ice, all that stuff…just tryin to get info that might help in another rout
maybe cissus , hgh. might help.
[quote]iksrtfo28 wrote:
I’ve been doin the rest, ice, all that stuff…just tryin to get info that might help in another rout[/quote]
I hear ya on that, and I’m not trying to be a dick. I feel pretty strongly that steroids are awesome, but for tendinitis I don’t really think they will do any good. Some say that deca and eq are nice on your joints and some say that they aren’t. All I know is that from my experience they won’t cure tendinitis. My experience has also been that tendinitis will go away in time and that training differently is the way to avoid it. Also, LARGE doses of fish oil has been the best thing ever for my joints.
The peptide thing might work, as suggested by the poster above me, but I have no idea. Actually, I would guess that if anything would work it would be peptides. Anthony Roberts wrote some crap about it once, if you feel like he is a credible source of info then try searching for that.
no problems man…I honestly don’t think they can help me at all with this…but…am always interrested in other’s opinions, and experiences
IGF has been used a couple different times in tendonitis and tendonosis in rodent models. IGF has also been shown to be increased during inflammation and tendonitis. Take from the studies what you will, I think it’s a viable option depending on how long it’s bothered you.
I also agree with the previous post saying to adapt training.
From my experience there are confusions between tendinitis and tendinosis. Doctors also tend to misdiagnose this because both start the same way, but the healing is much different.
Tendinitis is an inflamation of the tendon from a strain or a hyperextension of some sort. It takes 2 weeks of rest, anti-inflammatory medication and the traditional RICE.
Tendinosis on the other hand is a small rupture of the tendon at the origin due to overuse. It takes months to heal and in some cases the injury becomes chronic because the scar tissue that builds up is not as strong as the original tissue. The therapy for Tendinosis is diffcult, bothersome and involves a lot of pain.
I had tendinosis of the left elbow as a result of a motorcycle accident that dislocated the opposite shoulder. That made me use the left hand for pretty much all movements and when I returned to lifting the new movement pattern used that joint more than the right one.
What worked for me was complete elimination of all upper body workouts and putting the elbow in a elbow sleeve with some kind of forearm strap like the one in this web site:
http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?m=PD&cid=114&pid=2156
I stopped using the RICE method and instead did contrast showers (hot / cold) in the area as often as possible or at least twice a day. In addition I would rub hot ointment (tiger balm or other) to the area whenever I felt pain. My logic is that the tendons need a lot of blood flow to heal, but because of their structure they don’t get that flow naturally.
Eventually the heat 4 or 5 times per day plus the contrast showers and the brace worked their charm. In total I had to take 3 months from working out. 2 months from all work and 1 month more for the upper body work. I couldn’t even grab the 5kg plates, much less the 20’s for squatting. Deadlifting was out, rowing, bench, everything but leg press, squats when I could get someone to help me put the weights in the bar and some dumb machine movements. The first exercise I incorporated was the deadlift. No flexion of the elbow, just testing the holding strenght. Later I added the bench and when those two felt good I added weight, but whenever I felt extra strain on the elbow I eased up. In about 1 more month I was back to decent weights and 1 more month to get back to my previous weights.
It was really frustrating and at times I thought that the surgery was inevitable. However patience, correct supplementation of PT and rehab was all that was needed in my case.
The injury taught me a lesson and now I take a warm shower before starting my workout, do a super warm up for all the joints before touching the weights, lots of warm ups for my 1st exercise AND as many warm ups as I feel necessary for all additional exercises. I also avoid the exercise that injured me in the first place. It was smith-machine military presses. Now I never use that machine and stay about 1 meter away to avoid touching it by mistake.
In your post there is no mention of how long you have had this injury, what caused it or if you have kept training other areas. I assume partly that it has kept you from working all upper body, but you see when you squat, leg press or even leg curl you tense all the muscles in your body. You will need to stop doing everything with that arm even picking up the soap to shower in order for it to heal completely and fast.
Hope this helps you.
Powerlifting for 25 or so years has given me tendonitis in my shoulders and elbows many times. Cortisone shots have worked well for me. My GP doc has a major in orthopedics and has administered shots for me many times. Many GP (general practioner) doc’s will send you to an orthopedic doc for the shot. It’s the only thing that has worked for me. It works fast and if you don’t irritate it again right away your usually good to go in about ten days tops.
thanks guys…I’m willing to try any and all avenues…
I’ve cortisone shots for other ailments…so def. will look into that as well.
Just a few weeks ?!? I got a mild tendo on my right arm and it took me an entire month to disappear and it wasn’t even that serious… If you have a “real” tendo it would take much longer than a few weeks
(It was my fault : heavy bicep curls without warming up)
when I say a few weeks…well…I’m a little off…it’s been buggin me for a few months…
I had some tendonits flaring up pretty bad in my elbows as well. For me 7 weeks completely off of lifting weights and icing on a regular basis seems to have cleared the issue up. Those 7 weeks seemed like years. But it seems thats what it was going to take to fix the problem.
I still ice fairly regularly as a preventative measure.