Would it even be possible to do a close-grip bench with your upper arms at a right angle to the torso?
Imagine yourself trying to do this.
So I guess we’ve all decided now that “tucked” means “not tucked at all and in fact flaring out naturally”. Good work guys.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Would it even be possible to do a close-grip bench with your upper arms at a right angle to the torso?
Imagine yourself trying to do this.
So I guess we’ve all decided now that “tucked” means “not tucked at all and in fact flaring out naturally”. Good work guys.[/quote]
Yeah, guys like Tate don’t know what the hell they’re talking about, they should stop talking about tucking your elbows. Yes, there is a difference and a good reason to talk about tucking in your elbows.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Would it even be possible to do a close-grip bench with your upper arms at a right angle to the torso?
Imagine yourself trying to do this.
So I guess we’ve all decided now that “tucked” means “not tucked at all and in fact flaring out naturally”. Good work guys.[/quote]
lol. Basically anything that’s not a 90 degree angle is “tucked”. That sure did clear up the confusion …
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Would it even be possible to do a close-grip bench with your upper arms at a right angle to the torso?
Imagine yourself trying to do this.
So I guess we’ve all decided now that “tucked” means “not tucked at all and in fact flaring out naturally”. Good work guys.[/quote]
Yeah, guys like Tate don’t know what the hell they’re talking about, they should stop talking about tucking your elbows. Yes, there is a difference and a good reason to talk about tucking in your elbows.
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Guys like tate were not teaching a cgp and alot of his tips apply more to shirted benchers. Ive never seen a big raw bencher fully tuck his elbows like tate suggests in his video.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Would it even be possible to do a close-grip bench with your upper arms at a right angle to the torso?
Imagine yourself trying to do this.
So I guess we’ve all decided now that “tucked” means “not tucked at all and in fact flaring out naturally”. Good work guys.[/quote]
lol. Basically anything that’s not a 90 degree angle is “tucked”. That sure did clear up the confusion …[/quote]
There were a couple operative words before the word tucked you guys are missing. Reading comprehension fail.
Look we get it, youre a powerlifter. Great.
But when the elbows come down in a ‘regular’ position, the angle will change for everyone based on their limb length etc., you wouldnt think of it as anything else but ‘normal’. Tucking the elbows has to purposely done. Do you think McGrath is focusing on how close his elbows are to his body? or focusing on feeling the triceps move the weight?
NO ONE ‘tucks’ their elbows doing a close grip press. Some people’s elbows are naturally closer to their body depending on which grip theyre comfortable using etc but no one is thinking about bringing their elbows in as the weight lowers like you would when benching for big numbers with an arched back.
[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Would it even be possible to do a close-grip bench with your upper arms at a right angle to the torso?
Imagine yourself trying to do this.
So I guess we’ve all decided now that “tucked” means “not tucked at all and in fact flaring out naturally”. Good work guys.[/quote]
Yeah, guys like Tate don’t know what the hell they’re talking about, they should stop talking about tucking your elbows. Yes, there is a difference and a good reason to talk about tucking in your elbows.
[/quote]
Guys like tate were not teaching a cgp and alot of his tips apply more to shirted benchers. Ive never seen a big raw bencher fully tuck his elbows like tate suggests in his video. [/quote]
Oh geeze. Sorry I commented. I see guys in the gym all the time flairing out their elbows (in the 90 deg range) on both bench and CGBP. For me, it kills both my shoulders and wrists to flair the elbows on CGBP. A guy learning to CGB should be aware of that.
And panora uses the exact technique in that video dave tate teaches. elbows tucked lowering the bar then pressing to lockout rotates the elbows out. the very fact that you can see a huge difference between lowering and raising the weight on that press shows you there is a difference between fairing and tucking.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Look we get it, youre a powerlifter. Great.
But when the elbows come down in a ‘regular’ position, the angle will change for everyone based on their limb length etc., you wouldnt think of it as anything else but ‘normal’. Tucking the elbows has to purposely done. Do you think McGrath is focusing on how close his elbows are to his body? or focusing on feeling the triceps move the weight?
NO ONE ‘tucks’ their elbows doing a close grip press. Some people’s elbows are naturally closer to their body depending on which grip theyre comfortable using etc but no one is thinking about bringing their elbows in as the weight lowers like you would when benching for big numbers with an arched back.
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Yes, part of powerlifting bench technique is about moving as large a weight as possible. BUT the other big point of the technique is injury prevention. I would think injury prevention is something even bodybuilders should consider.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Would it even be possible to do a close-grip bench with your upper arms at a right angle to the torso?
Imagine yourself trying to do this.
So I guess we’ve all decided now that “tucked” means “not tucked at all and in fact flaring out naturally”. Good work guys.[/quote]
Yeah, guys like Tate don’t know what the hell they’re talking about, they should stop talking about tucking your elbows. Yes, there is a difference and a good reason to talk about tucking in your elbows.
[/quote]
Guys like tate were not teaching a cgp and alot of his tips apply more to shirted benchers. Ive never seen a big raw bencher fully tuck his elbows like tate suggests in his video. [/quote]
Oh geeze. Sorry I commented. I see guys in the gym all the time flairing out their elbows (in the 90 deg range) on both bench and CGBP. For me, it kills both my shoulders and wrists to flair the elbows on CGBP. A guy learning to CGB should be aware of that.
And panora uses the exact technique in that video dave tate teaches. elbows tucked lowering the bar then pressing to lockout rotates the elbows out. the very fact that you can see a huge difference between lowering and raising the weight on that press shows you there is a difference between fairing and tucking.[/quote]
Greg is not tucking the way tate suggests. the way tate suggests is basically bringing the bar to the lower sternum. even jim wendler does not bench that way because he uses a close grip. when using a wide grip you would have to tuck to take the shoulder and pec strain out of the movement but when using a close grip tucking your elbows would basically make the exercise sort of a front raise. not trying to start an e war here or anything but Jim and Greg definetly do not bench the way Tate suggests and I believe Jim discusses this in an article.
[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Would it even be possible to do a close-grip bench with your upper arms at a right angle to the torso?
Imagine yourself trying to do this.
So I guess we’ve all decided now that “tucked” means “not tucked at all and in fact flaring out naturally”. Good work guys.[/quote]
Yeah, guys like Tate don’t know what the hell they’re talking about, they should stop talking about tucking your elbows. Yes, there is a difference and a good reason to talk about tucking in your elbows.
[/quote]
Guys like tate were not teaching a cgp and alot of his tips apply more to shirted benchers. Ive never seen a big raw bencher fully tuck his elbows like tate suggests in his video. [/quote]
Oh geeze. Sorry I commented. I see guys in the gym all the time flairing out their elbows (in the 90 deg range) on both bench and CGBP. For me, it kills both my shoulders and wrists to flair the elbows on CGBP. A guy learning to CGB should be aware of that.
And panora uses the exact technique in that video dave tate teaches. elbows tucked lowering the bar then pressing to lockout rotates the elbows out. the very fact that you can see a huge difference between lowering and raising the weight on that press shows you there is a difference between fairing and tucking.[/quote]
Greg is not tucking the way tate suggests. the way tate suggests is basically bringing the bar to the lower sternum. even jim wendler does not bench that way because he uses a close grip. when using a wide grip you would have to tuck to take the shoulder and pec strain out of the movement but when using a close grip tucking your elbows would basically make the exercise sort of a front raise. not trying to start an e war here or anything but Jim and Greg definetly do not bench the way Tate suggests and I believe Jim discusses this in an article. [/quote]
And here is the Jim Wendler version. Notice how his elbows are barely tucked when hes benching raw with a close grip.
Elbows tucked on lowering, then rotated out on pressing.
Note the difference even though he doesn’t “fully tuck”. your arms don’t have to touch your side to be tucking them in. There are huge changes and variation without pulling your elbows all the way in.
Call it whatever the hell you guys want. Elbow position is something any presser should be aware of. It changes joint stress significantly between one way and the other. If you haven’t considered your elbow position on bench movements, you should. period. You guys telling someone trying to learn to not consider elbow position is the wrong advice.
[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:
[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Would it even be possible to do a close-grip bench with your upper arms at a right angle to the torso?
Imagine yourself trying to do this.
So I guess we’ve all decided now that “tucked” means “not tucked at all and in fact flaring out naturally”. Good work guys.[/quote]
Yeah, guys like Tate don’t know what the hell they’re talking about, they should stop talking about tucking your elbows. Yes, there is a difference and a good reason to talk about tucking in your elbows.
[/quote]
Guys like tate were not teaching a cgp and alot of his tips apply more to shirted benchers. Ive never seen a big raw bencher fully tuck his elbows like tate suggests in his video. [/quote]
Oh geeze. Sorry I commented. I see guys in the gym all the time flairing out their elbows (in the 90 deg range) on both bench and CGBP. For me, it kills both my shoulders and wrists to flair the elbows on CGBP. A guy learning to CGB should be aware of that.
And panora uses the exact technique in that video dave tate teaches. elbows tucked lowering the bar then pressing to lockout rotates the elbows out. the very fact that you can see a huge difference between lowering and raising the weight on that press shows you there is a difference between fairing and tucking.[/quote]
Greg is not tucking the way tate suggests. the way tate suggests is basically bringing the bar to the lower sternum. even jim wendler does not bench that way because he uses a close grip. when using a wide grip you would have to tuck to take the shoulder and pec strain out of the movement but when using a close grip tucking your elbows would basically make the exercise sort of a front raise. not trying to start an e war here or anything but Jim and Greg definetly do not bench the way Tate suggests and I believe Jim discusses this in an article. [/quote]
And here is the Jim Wendler version. Notice how his elbows are barely tucked when hes benching raw with a close grip.
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Bad angle but I would call that around a 45 deg tuck.
we have different definitions of the word tuck. im done.
[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:
we have different definitions of the word tuck. im done. [/quote]
Agreed.
[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:
we have different definitions of the word tuck. im done. [/quote]
I am trying to avoid the semantics argument. In the comparison photo from one of the previous videos I posted, you can see the difference I’m talking about. You can call the difference whatever you want, but it is there and it’s is important.
How would you (all the guys I’m getting shit from in this thread) go about characterizing the difference I show in that photo in a better way than saying he is tucking his elbows in in the top photo and fairing them out in the bottom photo? (serious question) I will use whatever terminology yall want.
But please, don’t try and tell me there is no difference. There is a huge fucking difference. And it’s very very pertinent to the topic.
Edit: I can call it elbows “normal” and elbows “out” or something if it will make yall feel better.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:
we have different definitions of the word tuck. im done. [/quote]
I am trying to avoid the semantics argument. In the comparison photo from one of the previous videos I posted, you can see the difference I’m talking about. You can call the difference whatever you want, but it is there and it’s is important.
How would you (all the guys I’m getting shit from in this thread) go about characterizing the difference I show in that photo in a better way than saying he is tucking his elbows in in the top photo and fairing them out in the bottom photo? (serious question) I will use whatever terminology yall want.
But please, don’t try and tell me there is no difference. There is a huge fucking difference. And it’s very very pertinent to the topic.
Edit: I can call it elbows “normal” and elbows “out” or something if it will make yall feel better.[/quote]
Im not saying that people dont try to protect their shoulders when doing any variation of CGP. Just that the actual close placement of the hands naturally protects the shoulders. So when the hands are in a close grip (my descroption of close grip is about shoulder width hands placement) CONSCIOUSLY going out of ones way to tuck the elbows is pointless.
And from the video of the pics you showed it looks like a guy doing a CGP, standard. When I see powerlifters bench pressing with shirts on and a big arch you can clearly see them consciously bringing their elbows in. When using a CGP its impossible to flare the elbows past a certain point. My whole point is that it is irrelevant to talk about tucking or not tucking WRT to CGP. It just happens. The mental focus should be on hitting the triceps, not on where the elbows are going.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:
we have different definitions of the word tuck. im done. [/quote]
I am trying to avoid the semantics argument. In the comparison photo from one of the previous videos I posted, you can see the difference I’m talking about. You can call the difference whatever you want, but it is there and it’s is important.
How would you (all the guys I’m getting shit from in this thread) go about characterizing the difference I show in that photo in a better way than saying he is tucking his elbows in in the top photo and fairing them out in the bottom photo? (serious question) I will use whatever terminology yall want.
But please, don’t try and tell me there is no difference. There is a huge fucking difference. And it’s very very pertinent to the topic.
Edit: I can call it elbows “normal” and elbows “out” or something if it will make yall feel better.[/quote]
Im not saying that people dont try to protect their shoulders when doing any variation of CGP. Just that the actual close placement of the hands naturally protects the shoulders. So when the hands are in a close grip (my descroption of close grip is about shoulder width hands placement) CONSCIOUSLY going out of ones way to tuck the elbows is pointless.
And from the video of the pics you showed it looks like a guy doing a CGP, standard. When I see powerlifters bench pressing with shirts on and a big arch you can clearly see them consciously bringing their elbows in. When using a CGP its impossible to flare the elbows past a certain point. My whole point is that it is irrelevant to talk about tucking or not tucking WRT to CGP. It just happens. The mental focus should be on hitting the triceps, not on where the elbows are going. [/quote]
The top or bottom photo is “normal”? Because there is a huge difference between the 2?
And I’m not saying every rep the only words in your head should be “tuck your elbows, tuck your elbows, tuck your elbows”. I’m saying when you are first starting the exercise you should take a look at it. I see people in the gym all the time with there elbows way way out. I don’t think doing CGBP automatically insures people aren’t fairing their elbows too much.
I personally would not recommend keeping your elbows as far out as you see in the lower picture, throughout the entire movement (or more specifically in the bottom of the lift). Thats all. I consider it bad for the shoulders. You see it differently and that’s fine.
I thought we were talking about tucking our penises behind our thighs when we bench!?
COME ON GUYS GET WITH THE PROGRAM
[quote]mr popular wrote:
I thought we were talking about tucking our penises behind our thighs when we bench!?
COME ON GUYS GET WITH THE PROGRAM[/quote]
Depends on where you lower the bar to. Multiply guys that lower the bar realllllly low on their chest run into penis health problems if they don’t tuck. “Limb” length also plays a big factor in the decision to consciously tuck.
Oh and if bonze and the rest of yall have limb lengths that allow you to not worry about tucking, more power too you, but please realize, some others need to do it to avoid injury. I’m a tucker myself.
