Hey guys,
I am 50 and will soon begin replacement therapy. Any opinions – patches, shots, tablets. You guys are very knowledgeable so any input is welcome.
Also, if you are 45+, get checked anyway. I didn’t even suspect a low level!!
How is it measured?? I know that for my 10 years of flabby, lazy beer drinking my T levels probably did not even exist. Now I know it’s way up.
How is it measured? I once heard that it’s measured like a ratio.
Most ave joes are 2:1
NFL Players like 8:1
I could be wrong, I probably am…
Had mine done last month, I was at 272 - doc says normal for my age (49)is 300 - 800. Was talking about HST, but then backed off. I am going to try to get it up with Alpha Male and MAG-10.
Everything I have read indicates that if you shoot for and achieve high normal for your age, there are no or minimal side effects. Makes sense, as you are just backing up the clock a few decades.
Are you guys talking about Free Testosterone levels or Total/Global Testosterone levels?
What is the normal range for a guy at the age of 21??
I have a feeling that I may have low levels myself at such a young age.
[quote]chirag wrote:
Are you guys talking about Free Testosterone levels or Total/Global Testosterone levels?
What is the normal range for a guy at the age of 21??
I have a feeling that I may have low levels myself at such a young age.[/quote]
You’ll increase your levels by training and eating a lot more (especially more fat in your diet).
[quote]hankr wrote:
Had mine done last month, I was at 272 - doc says normal for my age (49)is 300 - 800. Was talking about HST, but then backed off. I am going to try to get it up with Alpha Male and MAG-10.[/quote]
MAG-10 won’t cause your T levels to increase. In fact, over the long term it will cause a reduction do to downregulation of the HPTA.
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
You’ll increase your levels by training and eating a lot more (especially more fat in your diet).
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All the research I’ve seen shows that training actually decreases T levels.
Have you seen something different?
Obviously I’m not suggesting that we shouldn’t train, though.
[quote]litespeed wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
You’ll increase your levels by training and eating a lot more (especially more fat in your diet).
All the research I’ve seen shows that training actually decreases T levels.
Have you seen something different?
Obviously I’m not suggesting that we shouldn’t train, though.[/quote]
Agreed, over and over again, it’s been repeated on this site that intensive training causes T level to drop. But I think the free T remains the same. Just the over all T level seems to drop.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Hey guys,
I am 50 and will soon begin replacement therapy. Any opinions – patches, shots, tablets. You guys are very knowledgeable so any input is welcome.
Also, if you are 45+, get checked anyway. I didn’t even suspect a low level!![/quote]
Headhunter,
That ‘You Americans are bad fascists’ thread was great btw…
Why didn’t you suspect low T-levels? How was your training and other aspects of your life going, were you making progress in the gym?
Here’s a link to another HRT thread:
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=597610
I think someone said Androgel works well and is easy to use.
Orbital – thanks. One of my interests is history and many people don’t know what real fascists are like.
Anyway, I had my T tested because I was getting bad mood swings + I put on some spare tire despite lifting and running. Originally, I thought it was my thyroid; I didn’t have any sexual dysfunction. So, I looked up an article by Cy Willson about blood tests and he had some outstanding information, like what to test and what the ranges should be. I’m glad I did; anyone getting up there should get the simple blood test.
The sad part is that you have to ask for the test. So many guys don’t even know to ask. The medical establishment doesn’t do enough to make sure of men’s health and well-being. You are kind of on your own. I’m sure there are things I don’t know about but should be doing.
[quote]oriensus wrote:
litespeed wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
You’ll increase your levels by training and eating a lot more (especially more fat in your diet).
All the research I’ve seen shows that training actually decreases T levels.
Have you seen something different?
Obviously I’m not suggesting that we shouldn’t train, though.
Agreed, over and over again, it’s been repeated on this site that intensive training causes T level to drop. But I think the free T remains the same. Just the over all T level seems to drop.
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Ok then.
So the fact that I feel as though I have low T levels could then be due to two factors:
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low saturated fat intake
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intensive training which my body cannot cope up with
Shall have to study/modify those two factors and see which one is causing my low T levels.
[quote]chirag wrote:
Ok then.
So the fact that I feel as though I have low T levels could then be due to two factors:
-
low saturated fat intake
-
intensive training which my body cannot cope up with
Shall have to study/modify those two factors and see which one is causing my low T levels.[/quote]
Yes, but you have to remember that you had been eating an extremely low calorie diet for an extended period of time, which I think would contribute to lowered T levels. Now that you are sending messages to the body that there is an abundance of food, it may readjust the hormonal balance.
You definitely don’t want to start HRT at such a young age unless you absolutely have to.
[quote]Orbitalboner wrote:
chirag wrote:
Ok then.
So the fact that I feel as though I have low T levels could then be due to two factors:
-
low saturated fat intake
-
intensive training which my body cannot cope up with
Shall have to study/modify those two factors and see which one is causing my low T levels.
Yes, but you have to remember that you had been eating an extremely low calorie diet for an extended period of time, which I think would contribute to lowered T levels. Now that you are sending messages to the body that there is an abundance of food, it may readjust the hormonal balance.
You definitely don’t want to start HRT at such a young age unless you absolutely have to.[/quote]
Wow. You think there still is an opportunity and it ain’t too late to fix all the damage caused by malnutrition?
If I start feeding my body adequately, my hormones could go back to normal and everything would fall into place?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Hey guys,
I am 50 and will soon begin replacement therapy. Any opinions – patches, shots, tablets. You guys are very knowledgeable so any input is welcome.
Also, if you are 45+, get checked anyway. I didn’t even suspect a low level!![/quote]
I am 54 and I have been using for two years now. My doctor prescribes my test, syringes and anti estrogens for off cycle. Replacement dose is 50mg to 100 mg per week. This will certainly increase your sexual function but it may not do much anabolically. Injections are much better as nearly 100% is absorbed as opposed to 10% with the patch or gels. If your Doctor wont prescribe check out some of the life extensionist sites such as Palm Beach Rejuvenation. If you are looking to build you would want to use at least 200mg-400mg per week.
This is some outstanding input! You guys are awesome! Thank you!
[quote]chirag wrote:
Wow. You think there still is an opportunity and it ain’t too late to fix all the damage caused by malnutrition?
If I start feeding my body adequately, my hormones could go back to normal and everything would fall into place?
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You really need to stop worrying about it. It’s like you are looking for excuses not to eat more food or train hard.
TBT is not too intense of a workout plan. So don’t think the workouts are going to cause your T-levels to always stay low. Sure, some studies show that intense training causes T-levels to lower…but training also causes an increase in growth hormone.
From what I’ve read, testosterone goes up within the first 40-45 minutes, and then it starts to go down. But it’s not something you need to worry about unless you’re training 5 or more days per week for 2 hours a day. You are following a good workout plan, and as long as you eat more food and get in more good fats (and some saturated fat) in your diet, you will be fine.
Just train and eat and stop worrying so much about your T-levels. Don’t look for excuses. You are 21. Not 81. Be consistent, give it time and keep plugging away.
Your worries about your T-levels are like guys that consistently say that they have shitty genetics and can’t put on any muscle or get in shape. It’s a cop-out!
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
chirag wrote:
Wow. You think there still is an opportunity and it ain’t too late to fix all the damage caused by malnutrition?
If I start feeding my body adequately, my hormones could go back to normal and everything would fall into place?
You really need to stop worrying about it. It’s like you are looking for excuses not to eat more food or train hard.
TBT is not too intense of a workout plan. So don’t think the workouts are going to cause your T-levels to always stay low. Sure, some studies show that intense training causes T-levels to lower…but training also causes an increase in growth hormone.
From what I’ve read, testosterone goes up within the first 40-45 minutes, and then it starts to go down. But it’s not something you need to worry about unless you’re training 5 or more days per week for 2 hours a day. You are following a good workout plan, and as long as you eat more food and get in more good fats (and some saturated fat) in your diet, you will be fine.
Just train and eat and stop worrying so much about your T-levels. Don’t look for excuses. You are 21. Not 81. Be consistent, give it time and keep plugging away.
Your worries about your T-levels are like guys that consistently say that they have shitty genetics and can’t put on any muscle or get in shape. It’s a cop-out!
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He’s looking for any reason he can get to not train, plain and simple. He’s obviously a confused individual with some serious issues that he needs to address (professionally), but seems unwilling to do so. I could be wrong, but based on his posts/threads, I think I’m not off base here. If he follows the advice everyone gave him on the other threads, he’ll be just fine, but he apparently needs someone to hold his hand with everything he does and that’s not usually how it works on T-Nation. (I know you know that, I’m saying it for his benefit.)
DB
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
chirag wrote:
Wow. You think there still is an opportunity and it ain’t too late to fix all the damage caused by malnutrition?
If I start feeding my body adequately, my hormones could go back to normal and everything would fall into place?
You really need to stop worrying about it. It’s like you are looking for excuses not to eat more food or train hard.
TBT is not too intense of a workout plan. So don’t think the workouts are going to cause your T-levels to always stay low. Sure, some studies show that intense training causes T-levels to lower…but training also causes an increase in growth hormone.
From what I’ve read, testosterone goes up within the first 40-45 minutes, and then it starts to go down. But it’s not something you need to worry about unless you’re training 5 or more days per week for 2 hours a day. You are following a good workout plan, and as long as you eat more food and get in more good fats (and some saturated fat) in your diet, you will be fine.
Just train and eat and stop worrying so much about your T-levels. Don’t look for excuses. You are 21. Not 81. Be consistent, give it time and keep plugging away.
Your worries about your T-levels are like guys that consistently say that they have shitty genetics and can’t put on any muscle or get in shape. It’s a cop-out!
He’s looking for any reason he can get to not train, plain and simple. He’s obviously a confused individual with some serious issues that he needs to address (professionally), but seems unwilling to do so. I could be wrong, but based on his posts/threads, I think I’m not off base here. If he follows the advice everyone gave him on the other threads, he’ll be just fine, but he apparently needs someone to hold his hand with everything he does and that’s not usually how it works on T-Nation. (I know you know that, I’m saying it for his benefit.)
DB
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1st- I am willing to train, otherwise why would I make such a drastic change in my dietary habits and exercise regimes in the first place? I’m commiting myself to the iron game and trying my best to stay focused. I just thought thay I may have low T due to my previous eating habits, NOT the current training.
2nd- I already have seeked professional regarding the pshychological issues.
3rd- I don’t need anyone to hold me by the hand, not on T-Nation, nor anywhere else. Its called insecurity or a serious complex which I have with my body image. And I’m trying to address that both personally and profesionally.
I don’t mean to sound rude or defensive, its just that I thought I should clear things out a bit before more assumptions are posted.
K, this thread go massively hijacked. Back to the original subject maybe?
[quote]Orbitalboner wrote:
K, this thread go massively hijacked. Back to the original subject maybe?[/quote]
Agreed.
Its all yours my friend and sorry for the “hijacking”.