[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
no you can still train for aesthetic purposes, but your lack of time you can spend in the gym and your training style will somewhat hinder what you would be trying to achieve.
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I hope I’m on the same page with everybody here.
DG
I really appreciate and respect your response. I truly believe there is no reason why people that have different goals and experience cannot learn from each other – that is the beauty of this place.
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And yet you then turn around and adamantly argue with those of us who are trying to teach you something about BB’ing (or building muscle in general for that matter). How is that the exchange of information from people with different goals for the purpose of learning?
Well, ok then. Don’t you think it would then be wise to actually look at what other “bodybuilders” do to successfully change their bodies? Your confusion seems to lie in your incorrect paradigm that what works for pro BB’ers does not work for noncompetitive amateurs. Or that it only works for pros because they are “assisted”.
The truth is that if TBT were truly superior for building muscle in non assisted amateurs, it would also be more effective for assisted pro BB’ers and it would be the way they would train. All steroids do is to enhance things like protein synthesis and nutrient uptake/partitioning. They aren’t some magic bullet where all you have to do is inject them and “poof”, you’re Ronnie Coleman.
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I also understand your frustration with the forums though I think it is misplaced. This site could not exist if it only catered to professional and competition BBers. Sometimes, one is going to have to ignore a few posts – maybe more in your case because you only come here for real professional advice. Maybe it doesn’t bother me as much because I mostly post in the PWO forum and have been dealing with “trolls” from the get. Though, I kind of like them because I have learned to just view them as random entertainment.[/quote]
No, his frustration is not misplaced. This site does cater to a larger audience than just BB’ers, that’s why there is also a “Strength Sports” forum, and “Combat Sports” forum, etc… This is the “Bodybuilding” forum and is where people who are passionate about BB’ing come to talk BB’ing. If you aren’t one of them, then either try the Strength Sports or Combat Sports forums, or if you insist on staying here, at least stop trying to throw monkey wrenches into threads and realize that you might just not know as much about BB’ing as you think.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I only suggest it would be good because it would force a BBer to change his training protocol.
And why would that be a good thing? Obviously what BB’ers are doing is working for them. If something is successfully taking you to your goals, why would you want to change it?
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I do not claim to know the minds of all BBers and athletes. I merely answered the OP.
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All things being equal, I truly believe size is related to performance.
Performance of what though?[/quote]
Performance as it relates to the human body is using one’s body to affect space and time in the most efficient manner possible. The question of stronger or faster is not necessarily what we are trying to answer.
There is a threshold where muscle size becomes the most optimal for both genetic factors of strength and speed wherein the energy intake needed to sustain that muscle mass and activity level are optimized. But one can grow by training explosively to make the muscle learn to operate more efficiently. Paradoxically, muscle growth is the side effect that happens because it takes more energy to be faster versus being stronger which allows more energy storage in the muscle tissue.
K = 1/2 mv^2
Doubling a mass lifted at a constant speed only doubles the energy expenditure needed to accomplish that task but doubling the speed of a constant weight actually quadruples the energy expenditure. Nature knows this and has figured out a way to make us more efficient and thus bigger.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I only suggest it would be good because it would force a BBer to change his training protocol.
And why would that be a good thing? Obviously what BB’ers are doing is working for them. If something is successfully taking you to your goals, why would you want to change it?
I do not claim to know the minds of all BBers
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And yet you stated previously:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
If you want to be tough and strong quit thinking like a bodybuilder.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Holy crap. Why the hell are you guys arguing with this fool when it is clear all he is doing is…trying to get you all to argue with him?[/quote]
Hey, you’ve been doing the exact same thing with a ton of others of his ilk
Just making sure that this kind of bs doesn’t go into the brains of novice lifters unopposed.
Hey, I have too much time at my hands atm, a big plate of all kinds of food in front of me and can’t leave the house (we’re snowed in, road outside is a steep incline and covered in ice… Even my 4by4 won’t be able to scale that).
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Holy crap. Why the hell are you guys arguing with this fool when it is clear all he is doing is…trying to get you all to argue with him?
Hey, you’ve been doing the exact same thing with a ton of others of his ilk
Just making sure that this kind of bs doesn’t go into the brains of novice lifters unopposed.
Hey, I have too much time at my hands atm, a big plate of all kinds of food in front of me and can’t leave the house (we’re snowed in, road outside is a steep incline and covered in ice… Even my 4by4 won’t be able to scale that).
So yeah, kinda just passing time.
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Honestly, anyone dumb enough to think he sounds like he has clue deserves to follow him. That will leave more room for the rest of us.
Yes, go ahead and avoid training arms for years. They’ll look great anyway and now the squat rack is clear.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I only suggest it would be good because it would force a BBer to change his training protocol.
And why would that be a good thing? Obviously what BB’ers are doing is working for them. If something is successfully taking you to your goals, why would you want to change it?
I do not claim to know the minds of all BBers and athletes. I merely answered the OP.
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What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Why not just answer MY question?
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All things being equal, I truly believe size is related to performance.
Performance of what though?
Performance as it relates to the human body is using one’s body to affect space and time in the most efficient manner possible. The question of stronger or faster is not necessarily what we are trying to answer.
There is a threshold where muscle size becomes the most optimal for both genetic factors of strength and speed wherein the energy intake needed to sustain that muscle mass and activity level are optimized. But one can grow by training explosively to make the muscle learn to operate more efficiently. Paradoxically, muscle growth is the side effect that happens because it takes more energy to be faster versus being stronger which allows more energy storage in the muscle tissue.
K = 1/2 mv^2
Doubling a mass lifted at a constant speed only doubles the energy expenditure needed to accomplish that task but doubling the speed of a constant weight actually quadruples the energy expenditure. Nature knows this and has figured out a way to make us more efficient and thus bigger.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Holy crap. Why the hell are you guys arguing with this fool when it is clear all he is doing is…trying to get you all to argue with him?
Hey, you’ve been doing the exact same thing with a ton of others of his ilk
Just making sure that this kind of bs doesn’t go into the brains of novice lifters unopposed.
Hey, I have too much time at my hands atm, a big plate of all kinds of food in front of me and can’t leave the house (we’re snowed in, road outside is a steep incline and covered in ice… Even my 4by4 won’t be able to scale that).
So yeah, kinda just passing time.
Honestly, anyone dumb enough to think he sounds like he has clue deserves to follow him. That will leave more room for the rest of us.
Yes, go ahead and avoid training arms for years. They’ll look great anyway and now the squat rack is clear.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes, go ahead and avoid training arms for years. They’ll look great anyway and now the squat rack is clear.
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Good thing no one is suggesting that one should NEVER do direct arm work.
I do curls, too. IN THE SQUAT RACK – because I can. But, I didn’t get that way doing only curls…I was just offering some variety based on the thread title.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
mr popular wrote:
Fortunately for LIFTICVSMINIMUS, I’m sure this entire argument could be won by showing us a picture of the awsome physique he’s built with his alternative measures.
Nope. I do not post pics of myself on line because I wish to remain anonymous. You will just have to consider me discredited by virtue of me “pussing out”.
Funny how you totally miss the point of everything I have written. It is “retardedly” simple to be a BBer; however,t is NOT easy to do it. I have never said otherwise. The fact that many a “retard” have in fact become BBers is proof that it is achievable by anyone that has the discipline to do it.
I’ll be the first to admit I do not have “what it takes” to be a real BBer and I don’t care what other meatheads think of that.[/quote]
you can post pictures on line and still remain anonymous.
if you only post on the bodybuilding forum to be entertained by having long winded arguments with the “real” bodybuilders then you have no credibility anyway and will be ignored anyway.
if you have made gains from your own training experiences which may be relevant to the OP, by all means mention them. but to be credible we need specifics, for example, gained 1" on arms in 6 weeks or, increased lifts 20% in 2 months, or gained 12 lbs of muscle in 10 weeks etc. etc. using xyz program. otherwise… just be quiet and let the guys with results talk.
If youve been making massive gains on splits, why change?
TBT is great…but just saying!
[quote]Xander89 wrote:
I’ve probably been staying on splits for too long, but I fell in love with them after gaining huge on my lifts for a consistent 10 months.
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[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
If youve been making massive gains on splits, why change?
TBT is great…but just saying!
Xander89 wrote:
I’ve probably been staying on splits for too long, but I fell in love with them after gaining huge on my lifts for a consistent 10 months.
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was wondering this myself. if it ain’t broke… don’t fix it.
the “straight 10 months” of constant gains ended almost 9 months ago. been at a plateau ever since, even with rep/set changes. changed up rest periods, switched around between sets of 6 and sets of 3 (previously discussed that higher than 8 don’t work for me, and I figured switching from 6 to 8 is not enough), and still nothing. rearranged workout days, still nothing.
been reading around, and some people make gains from switching between splits to TBT and back, and I thought I might as well give it a shot. granted, it could be like my inability to gain muscle on reps higher than 8, and it could be a waste of my time. but I might as well give it a shot. and yes, I gave 8+ reps a shot and lost strength on my 1RM.
[quote]Xander89 wrote:
giggling while you guys blow this way off topic.
the “straight 10 months” of constant gains ended almost 9 months ago. been at a plateau ever since, even with rep/set changes. changed up rest periods, switched around between sets of 6 and sets of 3 (previously discussed that higher than 8 don’t work for me, and I figured switching from 6 to 8 is not enough), and still nothing. rearranged workout days, still nothing.
been reading around, and some people make gains from switching between splits to TBT and back, and I thought I might as well give it a shot. granted, it could be like my inability to gain muscle on reps higher than 8, and it could be a waste of my time. but I might as well give it a shot. and yes, I gave 8+ reps a shot and lost strength on my 1RM.[/quote]
Chances are there isn’t anything wrong with your current program (if it’s even a remotely well designed split), but lies with your nutrition. Fix that (read: eat more) and you’re program will magically start working again.
Why do you care about your 1RM going down? Is your goal powerlifting or building muscle (not that the two are necessarily mutually exclusive)? Work on building strength in the moderate rep range (could probably go as low as 5, maybe even 4 reps), not working in the moderate rep range to improve your 1RM.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
If your entire program has literally come to a halt, I would first wonder about your diet.
Are you gaining bodyweight?[/quote]
Every time we say this, they hit us with even more whining about “eat more” doesn’t work…even though they aren’t gaining weight. Then, if they do gain any weight, they claim it is ONLY body fat.
Linking the act of training really hard with eating even more is something they can’t do on their own.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
mr popular wrote:
If your entire program has literally come to a halt, I would first wonder about your diet.
Are you gaining bodyweight?
Every time we say this, they hit us with even more whining about “eat more” doesn’t work…even though they aren’t gaining weight. Then, if they do gain any weight, they claim it is ONLY body fat.
Linking the act of training really hard with eating even more is something they can’t do on their own.[/quote]
I’ve noticed this time and time again on this and other forums i use, people offer advice on do this program, do that program, whatever,but no mention of an increase in calorie intake. guess what if the scales don’t go up, the food needs to go up.personally i increased calories recently and gained 6lbs in 4 weeks and then it stopped. increased again until the scales atart to move and gained another 6 in another 6 weeks. then stopped. time to increase again. don’t feel the need to keep changing programs though.
