[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Hope he dosen’t get mad because I can’t block out his face, Ill have to give him a raise, kid works hard at being a BBer, and he’s young, but standing next to you it would be hard to tell who used or not. First contest for him by the way. he walks around at 240 during the year, just needs to learn hoiw to diet better. Anyway I’m sure you walk around alot heavier as well, and get accussed of using as well, just thought I’d throw it out there[/quote]
That is a yoked dude, props on his hard work.
I’m not Stu, but I think that he stays quite lean during the offseason to make contest prep and photoshoots easier.
I had to work at being gental with my post, because he works hard at maintaining his clean cut image with clients. The point is between him and Stu, it would be hard to figure out the one that used. If I had knowlage tha one of them was
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Hope he dosen’t get mad because I can’t block out his face, Ill have to give him a raise, kid works hard at being a BBer, and he’s young, but standing next to you it would be hard to tell who used or not. First contest for him by the way. he walks around at 240 during the year, just needs to learn hoiw to diet better. Anyway I’m sure you walk around alot heavier as well, and get accussed of using as well, just thought I’d throw it out there[/quote]
This guy is a top amateur where you are? How tall is he?
Not being a dick, but for being juiced he doesn’t look very good. Even at the amateur ranks. And when I say doesn’t look good, I mean he looks to be lacking a lot of size. Or maybe it just isn’t a great picture.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Not to change the subject, but looking at your avatar pic Stu, I’d never believe you were natural, if I hadn’t been following your posts for the last few years. My gym manager is a top amature here, and you guys actually look alot alike, I’m going to find a pic. Anyway props to you, but we’ve reached a level with natural BBing where the top guys are as good or better than some of the geared guys, and it’s hard to tell nowdays. Some of the arguements I sure stem from this confusion.
I changed my post a bit, because I didn’t want to accuse anyone of using, but you get the gist of the comparisons[/quote]
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Hope he dosen’t get mad because I can’t block out his face, Ill have to give him a raise, kid works hard at being a BBer, and he’s young, but standing next to you it would be hard to tell who used or not. First contest for him by the way. he walks around at 240 during the year, just needs to learn hoiw to diet better. Anyway I’m sure you walk around alot heavier as well, and get accussed of using as well, just thought I’d throw it out there[/quote]
This guy is a top amateur where you are? How tall is he?
Not being a dick, but for being juiced he doesn’t look very good. Even at the amateur ranks. And when I say doesn’t look good, I mean he looks to be lacking a lot of size. Or maybe it just isn’t a great picture.[/quote]
From what I see lately, I think a lot of guys really run into competing long before they ever build a good base of size.
I would actually hope most people don’t think you should need steroids at that stage.
He just misssed the teen cut off, and he lost alot of size on his first contest diet. I wasnt putting him up here to be judged, just as a comparison for what I think ends up confusing alot of guys, and causes alot of debate. So obviously hes a beginer from untested events and Stu`s been around for awhile. I just thought it would be an interesting comparison.
He is a big boy in the off season, and the pic dosnt really do him justice. He was trying to gain some competion expieance, and hes now took a year off, doing some PLing with me and the guys. The little bastard is already pulling 550x5 just to piss me off. But that wasnt the point of the comparison
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
He just misssed the teen cut off, and he lost alot of size on his first contest diet. I wasnt putting him up here to be judged, just as a comparison for what I think ends up confusing alot of guys, and causes alot of debate. So obviously hes a beginer from untested events and Stus been around for awhile. I just thought it would be an interesting comparison. He is a big boy in the off season, and the pic dosnt really do him justice. He was trying to gain some competion expieance, and hes now took a year off, doing some PLing with me and the guys. The little bastard is already pulling 550x5 just to piss me off. But that wasn`t the point of the comparison[/quote]
It does raise another point though, when a 20yr kid that competes at 185, and walks around at 235-240 lean enough to have a 6pac, and hes considered small on a BBing form ( albiet by a couple of monsters) its no wonder 16-20yr old kids consider steroids. When guys have this skewed idea of whats consisdered big now days. I dont usually side with the hard core natural crowd, but I hate seeing young kids turning to juice, and I think this thought process of anything less than 260 stage condition is considered small. I just dont get it, only a decade or two ago pros were competing at sub 200lbs. mabey the answer is the natural look.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
It does raise another point though, when a 20yr kid that competes at 185, and walks around at 235-240 lean enough to have a 6pac, and hes considered small on a BBing form ( albiet by a couple of monsters) its no wonder 16-20yr old kids consider steroids. When guys have this skewed idea of whats consisdered big now days. I dont usually side with the hard core natural crowd, but I hate seeing young kids turning to juice, and I think this thought process of anything less than 260 stage condition is considered small. I just dont get it, only a decade or two ago pros were competing at sub 200lbs. mabey the answer is the natural look. [/quote]
I agree with you. But to cut it these days even at the amateur juiced level, you have to be quite large as you know lol.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Hope he dosen’t get mad because I can’t block out his face, Ill have to give him a raise, kid works hard at being a BBer, and he’s young, but standing next to you it would be hard to tell who used or not. First contest for him by the way. he walks around at 240 during the year, just needs to learn hoiw to diet better. Anyway I’m sure you walk around alot heavier as well, and get accussed of using as well, just thought I’d throw it out there[/quote]
The puffed shoulders and traps, which look bigger compared to hi chest, suggest enhancement.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Hope he dosen’t get mad because I can’t block out his face, Ill have to give him a raise, kid works hard at being a BBer, and he’s young, but standing next to you it would be hard to tell who used or not. First contest for him by the way. he walks around at 240 during the year, just needs to learn hoiw to diet better. Anyway I’m sure you walk around alot heavier as well, and get accussed of using as well, just thought I’d throw it out there[/quote]
The puffed shoulders and traps, which look bigger compared to hi chest, suggest enhancement.[/quote]
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Hope he dosen’t get mad because I can’t block out his face, Ill have to give him a raise, kid works hard at being a BBer, and he’s young, but standing next to you it would be hard to tell who used or not. First contest for him by the way. he walks around at 240 during the year, just needs to learn hoiw to diet better. Anyway I’m sure you walk around alot heavier as well, and get accussed of using as well, just thought I’d throw it out there[/quote]
The puffed shoulders and traps, which look bigger compared to hi chest, suggest enhancement.[/quote]
This is bro science.
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Okay. A question: Is the fact that androgen receptor concentration is higher in the delts than in the chest also bro science?
Well the kid is born with freaky traps, and I’ve never seen him train them, I think we all pretty much have one of those body parts. On the shoulder issue, i actually place young BBer’s I train into either shoulder dominate, or chest domibnate catigories. This isn’t the thread to discuss this training style, but I will say that me and him are opposite, so that when he trains bench his shoulder’s get pumped, like when I train military, my chest gets pumped, so I’ve found that lots of isolation, and pre-exhaust is needed to play catch up when this is in play. he’s young and tends to train to his strengths, and we’re trying to catch the chest up, as best we can, but I don’t see this as a definitive sign that someone use’s or not, the fact that they have a strong body part or two.
Any more than if they had a weak body part or two. What if he had huge legs, but his upper body lagged, what would that point to Mabey it just means, thats where they kept sticking the needle, I’ve heard that one
I shouldn’t say we, as if we train togather, or I take any credit, because were the kind of friends that agree to disagree on everything, and other than being his sort of boss ( freelance trainer at my gym ), he dosen’t really listen to anything I say.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Not to change the subject, but looking at your avatar pic Stu, I’d never believe you were natural, if I hadn’t been following your posts for the last few years. My gym manager is a top amature here, and you guys actually look alot alike, I’m going to find a pic. Anyway props to you, but we’ve reached a level with natural BBing where the top guys are as good or better than some of the geared guys, and it’s hard to tell nowdays. Some of the arguements I sure stem from this confusion.
I changed my post a bit, because I didn’t want to accuse anyone of using, but you get the gist of the comparisons[/quote]
Stu has apparently used pro-hormones before.[/quote]
Was nobody going to point out the irony here? X, you have used pro-hormones as well. So, do you get to claim natural?
I’d be the first one to tell you that you have two sides of the coin when you see a photo of a competitor and aren’t sure what to think.
1- Dieted down, tanned and under the lights, but especially, knowing how to pose to properly display your physique, even I look at pics of myself and can’t believe I looked that good. Hell, if I hadn’t spent so much time with some of the best natty pros, competing in and judging WNBF shows, I’d probably be running off at the mouth with stories of “guys at my gym” and making accusations all day long.
2- Many people who may have known, or seen a few competitors who are ‘unenhanced’ may be unimpressed with them. I’ve seen comments online where anyone under 200 lbs apparently may not be worth the time of day and is obviously small. Let me tell you, as so many top guys I know firsthand stay relatively lean, it would surprise a hell of a lot of people just how large someone who weighs in under 2 bills can be, especially when you’re talking about honestly being that lean, not "a trainer at the gym calipered me’, or ‘my buddy competed a few times, and he eyeballed me’ lean.
Of course you always have to take each individual by themselves. I’m only about 5’8, and if you check my photos, you’ll see that my joints, and basically my entire structure is on the smaller side. Seeing me in lineups with some of the real freaks of the WNBF, and you’;ll realize that as proud as I am of my accomplishments, I make no claims to be a top level pro, nor exceed any proposed natural limits on unaided development. I will admit that even though I’ve passed countless urinalysis and polygraphs over the years (In the states, the WNBF runs the full WADA profile on their athletes, so this is about as expensive/accurate as any federation is willing to get), I’ve heard all sorts of crap. My favorite story was the “trainer” at a gym I used to go to, who used to tell potential clients that he was my source, and that’s how you knew his supply was good -lol.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Personally, I feel the opposite. I would LOVE to be wrong about how I train, because it means that I have so much more room to grow, and if I can get this far doing it wrong, I can only imagine how much better I can get when I do things right.[/quote]
Great outlook. I actually met a few of my gym buddies over the years because I approached them with completely honest questions when I couldn’t understand what they were doing. Usually I come away from such situations with a new twist on training, as well as a friend.
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Thanks Stu. Ideally, this is how I imagine forums should function, but unfortunately, with the anonymity of the internet, it becomes terrible.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^examples of pretty awesome natty bodybuilders semi-Internet famous?
For reference of course.[/quote] http://instagram.com/p/jw6uvyCZEt/
I’ve been following them and am pretty impressed. FWIW I don’t know the answer to the question I posed to Csulli.
Thaks for the reply, just like people that that talk alot of shit about PLing, it’s similar with BBing in that actually attending, as a contestent, or even just watching a real live contest will change your perspective completely. I’ve never had much interest in BBing, even after have going to a few shows, but being involved with the kid above, with the training leading up to, and all the prep the day of and night before, all that goes into it.
Blew my mind, and gave me boat load of respect for the sacrifice and torture you guys go through. We drove 5hrs to get to his show, only to be told he didn’t make the cut for teenage division by a couple months, it was a big ordeal, and like I say the whole process changed my mind about BBing completely. Now in his case he has dreams of being a pro, and took the route he went thinking thats was the only way to reach those levels, it’s to bad because there’s a tested show right in our town of Coburg thats gaining national reconition, and I sponser several guys that compete there.
It’s to bad that these kids see it as two roads, and that they think they need to pick one or the other, either stay natural, compete, but never reach the level of fame they see in the mags, or go the untested route. I understand this thought process, and it’s the reason that I give him my support, even though I’m dead against young kids juicing, I get that it’s his dream, and he dosen’t see another way to get there. It’s just to bad we didn’t have a system to build them up naturaly, and give them reconition, and then latter on they could make the desion to use once they’re a pro, or atleast older. Latter
