[quote]browndisaster wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^examples of pretty awesome natty bodybuilders semi-Internet famous?
For reference of course.[/quote]
http://instagram.com/p/jw6uvyCZEt/
I’ve been following them and am pretty impressed. FWIW I don’t know the answer to the question I posed to Csulli.[/quote]
That’s Alberto Nunez… Kind of funny cause it goes with what Stu said… He weighs 165ish and looks really big.
[quote]Mina293 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Mina293 wrote:
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Hope he dosen’t get mad because I can’t block out his face, Ill have to give him a raise, kid works hard at being a BBer, and he’s young, but standing next to you it would be hard to tell who used or not. First contest for him by the way. he walks around at 240 during the year, just needs to learn hoiw to diet better. Anyway I’m sure you walk around alot heavier as well, and get accussed of using as well, just thought I’d throw it out there[/quote]
The puffed shoulders and traps, which look bigger compared to hi chest, suggest enhancement.[/quote]
This is bro science.
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Okay. A question: Is the fact that androgen receptor concentration is higher in the delts than in the chest also bro science? [/quote]
Yes, it is, because you can’t make a blanket statement like that for all people.
In this case, Bro science is taking something that MAY happen and turning it into a concrete fact by which to judge all people.
If you don’t learn anything else, understand your biology shares many things with others but you are not a carbon copy and there is a very large range under which “normal” falls.
[quote]Mina293 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Mina293 wrote:
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Hope he dosen’t get mad because I can’t block out his face, Ill have to give him a raise, kid works hard at being a BBer, and he’s young, but standing next to you it would be hard to tell who used or not. First contest for him by the way. he walks around at 240 during the year, just needs to learn hoiw to diet better. Anyway I’m sure you walk around alot heavier as well, and get accussed of using as well, just thought I’d throw it out there[/quote]
The puffed shoulders and traps, which look bigger compared to hi chest, suggest enhancement.[/quote]
This is bro science.
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Okay. A question: Is the fact that androgen receptor concentration is higher in the delts than in the chest also bro science?
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It’s not bro-science considering it’s a fact. Hence the disproportionate growth in the upper pecs and delts when someone is on roids.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Mina293 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Mina293 wrote:
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Hope he dosen’t get mad because I can’t block out his face, Ill have to give him a raise, kid works hard at being a BBer, and he’s young, but standing next to you it would be hard to tell who used or not. First contest for him by the way. he walks around at 240 during the year, just needs to learn hoiw to diet better. Anyway I’m sure you walk around alot heavier as well, and get accussed of using as well, just thought I’d throw it out there[/quote]
The puffed shoulders and traps, which look bigger compared to hi chest, suggest enhancement.[/quote]
This is bro science.
[/quote]
Okay. A question: Is the fact that androgen receptor concentration is higher in the delts than in the chest also bro science?
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It’s not bro-science considering it’s a fact. Hence the disproportionate growth in the upper pecs and delts when someone is on roids.
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I must be missing the boat =(
Not really broscience. Like everything it still does depend on genetics though. Some people naturally have excellent attachments and bellies in this region, the clavicle width is also a big factor here. You can find someone with a perfectly filled out upper chest naturally. It IS infrequent though and said lifter usually has lagging tricep development.
The upper traps usually respond easily in the majority of trainees who deadlift, row, press and shrug heavy, natural or not. Mid traps need a higher level of effort. Excellent back “thickness” on a lifter who has been pursuing a bodybuilding routine rather than simply running a Coan Phillippi deadlift routine for years on end would be somewhat of a giveaway.
[quote]Mina293 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Mina293 wrote:
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Hope he dosen’t get mad because I can’t block out his face, Ill have to give him a raise, kid works hard at being a BBer, and he’s young, but standing next to you it would be hard to tell who used or not. First contest for him by the way. he walks around at 240 during the year, just needs to learn hoiw to diet better. Anyway I’m sure you walk around alot heavier as well, and get accussed of using as well, just thought I’d throw it out there[/quote]
The puffed shoulders and traps, which look bigger compared to hi chest, suggest enhancement.[/quote]
This is bro science.
[/quote]
Okay. A question: Is the fact that androgen receptor concentration is higher in the delts than in the chest also bro science?
[/quote]
[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
Not really broscience. Like everything it still does depend on genetics though. Some people naturally have excellent attachments and bellies in this region, the clavicle width is also a big factor here. You can find someone with a perfectly filled out upper chest naturally. It IS infrequent though and said lifter usually has lagging tricep development.
The upper traps usually respond easily in the majority of trainees who deadlift, row, press and shrug heavy, natural or not. Mid traps need a higher level of effort. Excellent back “thickness” on a lifter who has been pursuing a bodybuilding routine rather than simply running a Coan Phillippi deadlift routine for years on end would be somewhat of a giveaway.
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Overall, it still comes down to NOT ALL PEOPLE RESPOND THE SAME…therefore, looking at a guy and judging drug use on shoulder and trap development alone s bro science at the core.
Next thing you know every newb is running around with that info thinking have more insight than they really do.
Taking a broad science fact and using that as a rule for all people is bad science.
I don’t know how anyone can assume roid use from delt, trap, and pec size alone. A good measure is to reasonably assume one with a fat free mass index of 25 or more is using.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I don’t know how anyone can assume roid use from delt, trap, and pec size alone. A good measure is to reasonably assume one with a fat free mass index of 25 or more is using. [/quote]
I would agree that 25+ is a good indicator because mine is well over 25.
And just for fun Ramy’s is like 40… lol
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I don’t know how anyone can assume roid use from delt, trap, and pec size alone. A good measure is to reasonably assume one with a fat free mass index of 25 or more is using. [/quote]
I would agree that 25+ is a good indicator because mine is well over 25.
And just for fun Ramy’s is like 40… lol[/quote]
That’s insane! I saw him at last year’s NY Pro! I couldn’t believe what the heck I saw.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I don’t know how anyone can assume roid use from delt, trap, and pec size alone. A good measure is to reasonably assume one with a fat free mass index of 25 or more is using. [/quote]
I would agree that 25+ is a good indicator because mine is well over 25.
And just for fun Ramy’s is like 40… lol[/quote]
That’s insane! I saw him at last year’s NY Pro! I couldn’t believe what the heck I saw. [/quote]
Yes, I have yet to meet him in person, but damn he looks enormous in pics/ video.