[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I was in a hurry heading out the door, and left that vauge post. It just seems that everyone has this string of justifications (if thats a word) when I ask them if they lift or not. Ya I lift ‘’ but ‘’ I’m a natural, raw, unequipped, what ever. [/quote]
I’ve noticed this as well. It seems that many lifters are getting better at NOT doing things than doing them.
“Yeah, I only squat 225, but I do it ATG, not parallel, and I don’t wear wraps or a belt or sleeves, and I don’t use a stretch reflex, and I never have a full meal in me, and I don’t get 8 hours of sleep at night, plus I don’t take creatine, and I never warm-up, and I haven’t read how to train”
It’s this “implied strength” notion, that surely they would be badass if they would do all of those things, but since they don’t, you just have to imagine.
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I definitely get what your saying, but some of those do make a difference dont they? if I hit a 500 squat for reps with wraps and so did my friend sans wraps, my buddy doing the 500 rawer (lol) should be noted and is more impressive…
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I definitely get what your saying, but some of those do make a difference dont they? if I hit a 500 squat for reps with wraps and so did my friend sans wraps, my buddy doing the 500 rawer (lol) should be noted and is more impressive…
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You’ll have to note the number “225” in the post as well in order for it to make sense. People use the lack of these things in order to justify there present numbers, rather than understanding that they are still weak regardless.
A guy with an 800lb deadlift is impressive. He is still impressive if he wore a belt, straps, a deadlift suit, and baby powder on his shins to make the bar go up smoother. A guy not using that performed a more difficult deadlift, but both men are still incredibly strong.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I definitely get what your saying, but some of those do make a difference dont they? if I hit a 500 squat for reps with wraps and so did my friend sans wraps, my buddy doing the 500 rawer (lol) should be noted and is more impressive…
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You’ll have to note the number “225” in the post as well in order for it to make sense. People use the lack of these things in order to justify there present numbers, rather than understanding that they are still weak regardless.
A guy with an 800lb deadlift is impressive. He is still impressive if he wore a belt, straps, a deadlift suit, and baby powder on his shins to make the bar go up smoother. A guy not using that performed a more difficult deadlift, but both men are still incredibly strong.
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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
It seems to me, (it could be my golden memories)back in the day, seeing a guy full squatting 405 for reps wasn’t a big deal ( funny pants and a fanny packs )I just don’t see it anymore. I have 600 member’s, and I have 2 guys that can full squat 405 for reps. The rest of the guys are saying, ‘‘if I was on juice I could squat that much too’’ Seems to me we’ve lost somthing along the way, a work ethic, a belief in our selves. There’s no more or less juice, than there used to be, and we suposedly have come so far with training, nutrition, and supps, but I don’t see as many big strong guys.
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Amen…from 95-05 I spent a considerably amount of time explaining to people what the power-rack was for.
FTR…I never trained in clown pants or had a fanny pack.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I definitely get what your saying, but some of those do make a difference dont they? if I hit a 500 squat for reps with wraps and so did my friend sans wraps, my buddy doing the 500 rawer (lol) should be noted and is more impressive…
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You’ll have to note the number “225” in the post as well in order for it to make sense. People use the lack of these things in order to justify there present numbers, rather than understanding that they are still weak regardless.
A guy with an 800lb deadlift is impressive. He is still impressive if he wore a belt, straps, a deadlift suit, and baby powder on his shins to make the bar go up smoother. A guy not using that performed a more difficult deadlift, but both men are still incredibly strong.
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Gotcha[/quote]
Since you quoted a post before I had a chance to edit it, I want to say I am ashamed for using “there” instead of “their” when referring to someone’s numbers.
Thats the other side of it, that some where along the way it’s gotten so I feel guilty when I put my belt on for a heavy set of squats, like I’m cheating or somthing. I remember when putting my belt on for the last couple sets of heavy squats was part of the ritual. Now if it’s a vid I’m posting I almost feel ashamed to be wearing a belt, and I’m not the kind of guy to give a fuck, but somehow this notion has been inserted into my brain as well. Gotta get off the fucking internet, the goverment is inserting things into my brain, to keep me weak, I know it.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Thats the other side of it, that some where along the way it’s gotten so I feel guilty when I put my belt on for a heavy set of squats, like I’m cheating or somthing. I remember when putting my belt on for the last couple sets of heavy squats was part of the ritual. Now if it’s a vid I’m posting I almost feel ashamed to be wearing a belt, and I’m not the kind of guy to give a fuck, but somehow this notion has been inserted into my brain as well. Gotta get off the fucking internet, the goverment is inserting things into my brain, to keep me weak, I know it.[/quote]
Somewhere along the way we decided to make training the competition. We’ve lost the notion that the purpose of training is to get stronger when it comes time for the competition, and instead beleive that every single rep of every single set in the gym is a demonstration, and that we should be judged by competition standards and blah blah.
It’s a lot of justification and internet warrior stuff. “Oh sure, he benches 500lbs, but it’s touch and go, and he doesn’t lockout, LOL” Most of the time, folks make the training the competition because they don’t actually compete. I know once I started, my entire training paradigm changed, and it’s been very liberating to allow myself to use straps, wraps, sleeves, belts, partial reps, etc etc, knowing that I’m doing what it takes to make my competition lifts go up.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Thats the other side of it, that some where along the way it’s gotten so I feel guilty when I put my belt on for a heavy set of squats, like I’m cheating or somthing. I remember when putting my belt on for the last couple sets of heavy squats was part of the ritual. Now if it’s a vid I’m posting I almost feel ashamed to be wearing a belt, and I’m not the kind of guy to give a fuck, but somehow this notion has been inserted into my brain as well. Gotta get off the fucking internet, the goverment is inserting things into my brain, to keep me weak, I know it.[/quote]
Somewhere along the way we decided to make training the competition. We’ve lost the notion that the purpose of training is to get stronger when it comes time for the competition, and instead beleive that every single rep of every single set in the gym is a demonstration, and that we should be judged by competition standards and blah blah.
It’s a lot of justification and internet warrior stuff. “Oh sure, he benches 500lbs, but it’s touch and go, and he doesn’t lockout, LOL” Most of the time, folks make the training the competition because they don’t actually compete. I know once I started, my entire training paradigm changed, and it’s been very liberating to allow myself to use straps, wraps, sleeves, belts, partial reps, etc etc, knowing that I’m doing what it takes to make my competition lifts go up.
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love this post pwnisher. this is what I was trying to get at when I said everyone needs to stop worrying about what others are doing in the gym and instead worry about themselves. do what YOU need to do to get bigger/stronger/leaner and fuck the rest.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I definitely get what your saying, but some of those do make a difference dont they? if I hit a 500 squat for reps with wraps and so did my friend sans wraps, my buddy doing the 500 rawer (lol) should be noted and is more impressive…
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You’ll have to note the number “225” in the post as well in order for it to make sense. People use the lack of these things in order to justify there present numbers, rather than understanding that they are still weak regardless.
A guy with an 800lb deadlift is impressive. He is still impressive if he wore a belt, straps, a deadlift suit, and baby powder on his shins to make the bar go up smoother. A guy not using that performed a more difficult deadlift, but both men are still incredibly strong.
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Gotcha[/quote]
Since you quoted a post before I had a chance to edit it, I want to say I am ashamed for using “there” instead of “their” when referring to someone’s numbers.[/quote]
[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
love this post pwnisher. this is what I was trying to get at when I said everyone needs to stop worrying about what others are doing in the gym and instead worry about themselves. do what YOU need to do to get bigger/stronger/leaner and fuck the rest. [/quote]
Glad you appreciated it. For the most part, I imagine what we are seeing is simply congitive dissonance and defense mechanisms. People want to believe that they are training the absolute most bestest way possible to meet their goals, and when they see someone training in a manner different from them, they feel the need to tear down the person or the program so that they can assure themselves they haven’t made a mistake.
Personally, I feel the opposite. I would LOVE to be wrong about how I train, because it means that I have so much more room to grow, and if I can get this far doing it wrong, I can only imagine how much better I can get when I do things right.
[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
love this post pwnisher. this is what I was trying to get at when I said everyone needs to stop worrying about what others are doing in the gym and instead worry about themselves. do what YOU need to do to get bigger/stronger/leaner and fuck the rest. [/quote]
Glad you appreciated it. For the most part, I imagine what we are seeing is simply congitive dissonance and defense mechanisms. People want to believe that they are training the absolute most bestest way possible to meet their goals, and when they see someone training in a manner different from them, they feel the need to tear down the person or the program so that they can assure themselves they haven’t made a mistake.
Personally, I feel the opposite. I would LOVE to be wrong about how I train, because it means that I have so much more room to grow, and if I can get this far doing it wrong, I can only imagine how much better I can get when I do things right.[/quote]
[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
love this post pwnisher. this is what I was trying to get at when I said everyone needs to stop worrying about what others are doing in the gym and instead worry about themselves. do what YOU need to do to get bigger/stronger/leaner and fuck the rest. [/quote]
Glad you appreciated it. For the most part, I imagine what we are seeing is simply congitive dissonance and defense mechanisms. People want to believe that they are training the absolute most bestest way possible to meet their goals, and when they see someone training in a manner different from them, they feel the need to tear down the person or the program so that they can assure themselves they haven’t made a mistake.
Personally, I feel the opposite. I would LOVE to be wrong about how I train, because it means that I have so much more room to grow, and if I can get this far doing it wrong, I can only imagine how much better I can get when I do things right.[/quote]
I completely agree. [/quote]
That whole string is spot on. Very insightful that the actual process has become a competition of sorts. But I suppose, just like a lot of things, media has made it this way. When magazine covers or coaches write articles which state “the best and only way to train” or “maximize with this routine” which inherently says no other routine is maximized, what do we expect will happen?
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Personally, I feel the opposite. I would LOVE to be wrong about how I train, because it means that I have so much more room to grow, and if I can get this far doing it wrong, I can only imagine how much better I can get when I do things right.[/quote]
Great outlook. I actually met a few of my gym buddies over the years because I approached them with completely honest questions when I couldn’t understand what they were doing. Usually I come away from such situations with a new twist on training, as well as a friend.
Not to change the subject, but looking at your avatar pic Stu, I’d never believe you were natural, if I hadn’t been following your posts for the last few years. My gym manager is a top amature here, and you guys actually look alot alike, I’m going to find a pic. Anyway props to you, but we’ve reached a level with natural BBing where the top guys are as good or better than some of the geared guys, and it’s hard to tell nowdays. Some of the arguements I sure stem from this confusion.
I changed my post a bit, because I didn’t want to accuse anyone of using, but you get the gist of the comparisons
Hope he dosen’t get mad because I can’t block out his face, Ill have to give him a raise, kid works hard at being a BBer, and he’s young, but standing next to you it would be hard to tell who used or not. First contest for him by the way. he walks around at 240 during the year, just needs to learn hoiw to diet better. Anyway I’m sure you walk around alot heavier as well, and get accussed of using as well, just thought I’d throw it out there
