Well you need to update your profile - because 2 inches in a year IS good going.
I see your point now, and i would be inclined to agree - to an extent. It is all about balance, moderation - whatever… (isnt EVERYTHING?!)
wHILE THERE IS ALOT TO BE LEARNT AND I HOLD GREAT VALUE IN THE THEORETICAL (sorry, caps) side of things, it doesnt get in the way of my training… not that i would be reading instead of training but i know it is tempting to change your program too often, get confused, and stop gaining.
I havent just memorised articles here - well i guess i have, but i havent just to show off on the boards i mean (thats just a bonus), this stuff really goes into my training and my work - i can quite honestly say that bodybuilding, training, fitness, nutrition etc, my whole day, every day revolves around this shit… so you kinda just learn without trying. Well i do at least.
But as i admitted to in my first reply to you, there is definitely something to be said for simplicity, and we would all do well to drop our journals for 1-2 months a year and train ‘commando’ style.
I’m pretty sure about the “Alternating Periodization method” (IIRC) so I’m going to carry on with that…plus I love doing low rep training and so don’t have the patience to wait for the strength phase.
I’m going to go onto a half body split - x4/week (from a full body x3/week) as follows:
Before now I have been sticking to a 5-8 rep range which seems to be great for strength and size (and I’ll always return to this method when other ones fail)…but now I’m interested in getting a lot stronger via lower rep training.
Another method I may try soon is high volume strength training, e.g.:
8 x 3 reps (core movements) = 24 total reps/movement
Most people keep volume low for strength training (e.g. around 15 total reps) but I’ve discovered and also read that as long as you keep TOTAL volume high for each strength exercise (e.g. 25-30 total reps), then hypertrophy follows…hence you get the best of both worlds (i.e. major strength leaps and hypertrophy).
K.I.S.S - On the note of simplicity, yeah of course I like to keep it simple and just train…but that’s not a problem for me. I usually give a program TOO long before trying something new - so I’m definitely not a “program hopper”. I think one of the biggest problems is actually often the opposite.
With life being so hectic (well, for me anyway! lol) it’s easy to get “stuck in a rut” with my training and “forget” to actually change things when gains are slowing. I’ve vowed to myself never to train without a specific goal in mind.
If you are not gaining strength/muscle or loosing fat WHY workout or diet??? If your not making progress, change it, otherwise you are simply maintaining.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
conjugating alternating WS4sb Western/linear compound isolation ME RE BLAH BLAH BLAH
Seriously, how do you guys even write this stuff?
I really don’t understand the question either. Do whatever you want, and keep doing it until you can’t lift any more weight, then switch it up. It really doesn’t matter what you do, as long as you do more of it next time.[/quote]
I love how you blast our educated, reasoned responses only to then admit you don’t even understand the question in the first place but yet have no problem trying to answer it anyway.
[quote]derek wrote:
eeu743 wrote:
conjugating alternating WS4sb Western/linear compound isolation ME RE BLAH BLAH BLAH
Seriously, how do you guys even write this stuff?
I really don’t understand the question either. Do whatever you want, and keep doing it until you can’t lift any more weight, then switch it up. It really doesn’t matter what you do, as long as you do more of it next time.
I love how you blast our educated, reasoned responses only to then admit you don’t even understand the question in the first place but yet have no problem trying to answer it anyway.
Way to go! [/quote]
It’s fine to be educated, but I think that there needs to be a limit. I guess you can make it into whatever you want, I just think you’re over complicating.
I guess I’m dumb because I said I don’t know why he needs to get all of this information, that it’s really not that complicated?
I honestly do not understand how some of you can sit there and obviously be so intent on making problems. It’s one thing to joke, but why bother to act like you are?
It’s fine to be educated, but I think that there needs to be a limit. I guess you can make it into whatever you want, I just think you’re over complicating.
I guess I’m dumb because I said I don’t know why he needs to get all of this information, that it’s really not that complicated?
I honestly do not understand how some of you can sit there and obviously be so intent on making problems. It’s one thing to joke, but why bother to act like you are?[/quote]
How the fuck am I overcomplicating the subject by telling him you can easily gain strength and size at the same time in the same workout?
That’s called SIMPLIFYING things, who knows what you were reading.
So tell me, what problem(s) did I create by telling him to simplify his strategy by training for both qualities simultaneously and not worrying about periodizing strentgh and hypertrophy goals?
conjugating alternating WS4sb Western/linear compound isolation ME RE BLAH BLAH BLAH
Seriously, how do you guys even write this stuff?
It’s fine to be educated, but I think that there needs to be a limit. I guess you can make it into whatever you want, I just think you’re over complicating.
I guess I’m dumb because I said I don’t know why he needs to get all of this information, that it’s really not that complicated?
I honestly do not understand how some of you can sit there and obviously be so intent on making problems. It’s one thing to joke, but why bother to act like you are?[/quote]
This is what pissed me off. Now you say you agree with me… Make up your mind. If you weren’t lumping me in with “some of you”, you need to be more clear and quote the person you want to rip.
sometimes simple is better; it always works for me…i guess “some of you” feel differently…maybe i should quoted some of you; but felt this might of lumped some of you into a category where you felt you were being ripped. I will try to be more clear next time.
Simple IS better… but periodisation isnt complex… it is just making sure that the barbell you pick up progresses over the year in one way or another - left unchecked, the barbell will NOT continue to progress due to the bodys innate desire to react some/any kind of homeostasis.
Things CAN get very complicated, but there are situations and people where this is a necessity.
Westside - while what they do is basic, it isnt simple by any means… fluctuating weight loading, isometric dynamic contrasts, conjugated, accessory, supplemental… For someone like eeu743, this is “conjugating alternating WS4sb Western/linear compound isolation ME RE BLAH BLAH BLAH” but he is also one of the most effective strength trainers in the sport.
I am afraid it ISNT enough to just lift after a while, while it neednt be intellectual, it needs to be considered lifting. Planned and deliberate with room for variance/change.
It CAN get over complicated, but for this OP, it is EXACTLY what is needed as he is on that level, using this method of training.
GHe was using linear (whether or not he knew that) and had come to a common realisation - for which conjugated was designed!
ds77, simple is better. This post is by far one of the less complicated program plans.
Will everyone please stop pretending that it does not say BODYBUILDING in big letters right up there…
Do you guys understand that there IS a strength sports forum…?
We don’t go over there to talk about feeling the pump and dieting for contest condition, so why do you guys come over here and constantly plug powerlifting and athletic training?
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Will everyone please stop pretending that it does not say BODYBUILDING in big letters right up there…
Do you guys understand that there IS a strength sports forum…?
We don’t go over there to talk about feeling the pump and dieting for contest condition, so why do you guys come over here and constantly plug powerlifting and athletic training?
It gets old.[/quote]
Wow, you really put us in our place didn’t you, princess?
[quote]derek wrote:
mr popular wrote:
Will everyone please stop pretending that it does not say BODYBUILDING in big letters right up there…
Do you guys understand that there IS a strength sports forum…?
We don’t go over there to talk about feeling the pump and dieting for contest condition, so why do you guys come over here and constantly plug powerlifting and athletic training?
It gets old.
Wow, you really put us in our place didn’t you, princess?[/quote]
I agree with him. No other forum gets this much cross contamination. There are people here with 11" forearms who claim they aren’t interested in hypertrophy…yet they post in the BODYBUILDING FORUM complaining that their forearms are too small and look funny.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I agree with him. No other forum gets this much cross contamination. There are people here with 11" forearms who claim they aren’t interested in hypertrophy…yet they post in the BODYBUILDING FORUM complaining that their forearms are too small and look funny.
WHY do people do this?[/quote]
This is from the oringnal post:
I see the point and normally I’d agree but it started out with a question involving hypertrophy and whether or not it was possible (duh) to train for size while at the same time training to get stronger. I tried and tried to make the point that it’s all the same or more specifically that it’s all related.
I’m so sorry that the words Westside and conjugate got mentioned in a bodybuilding thread and tainted the forum so.
It wasn’t a thread about powerlifing, strongman or olympic lifting or any other "Strength Sport. It was about getting stronger and building muscle at the same time.
[quote]derek wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I agree with him. No other forum gets this much cross contamination. There are people here with 11" forearms who claim they aren’t interested in hypertrophy…yet they post in the BODYBUILDING FORUM complaining that their forearms are too small and look funny.
WHY do people do this?
I see the point and normally I’d agree but it started out with a question involving hypertrophy and whether or not it was possible (duh) to train for size while at the same time training to get stronger. I tried and tried to make the point that it’s all the same or more specifically that it’s all related.
I’m so sorry that the words Westside and conjugate got mentioned in a bodybuilding thread and tainted the forum so.
It wasn’t a thread about powerlifing, strongman or olympic lifting or any other "Strength Sport. It was about getting stronger and building muscle at the same time.
My appologies.
[/quote]
I wasn’t even directing that at you personally, however, if there is someone here who actually believes strength and size are not related at all, they are probably on the wrong forum. No one even thought like this even 10 years ago so it points to a problem with either the media or those dispersing information in the form of articles or books.
If you plan on adding several inches to your arms, you will have to get stronger. This is a fact. There is nothing to debate.
I feel that some here get off on showing how much they know as opposed to actually getting the bottom of the issue. The basics are simple. There is just no need to make this so complicated.
I feel that some here get off on showing how much they know as opposed to actually getting the bottom of the issue. The basics are simple. There is just no need to make this so complicated.[/quote]
OK, I’m writing knowing that you weren’t singling me out there, and with that said, I was the one who first tried to uncomplicate the issue. I was trying to make the point that you don’t separate the two and most successful people don’t even try.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
derek wrote:
mr popular wrote:
Will everyone please stop pretending that it does not say BODYBUILDING in big letters right up there…
Do you guys understand that there IS a strength sports forum…?
We don’t go over there to talk about feeling the pump and dieting for contest condition, so why do you guys come over here and constantly plug powerlifting and athletic training?
It gets old.
Wow, you really put us in our place didn’t you, princess?
I agree with him. No other forum gets this much cross contamination. There are people here with 11" forearms who claim they aren’t interested in hypertrophy…yet they post in the BODYBUILDING FORUM complaining that their forearms are too small and look funny.
WHY do people do this?[/quote]
Because many people are under the misguided impression that anything involving the lifting of weights is bodybuilding.
just out of curiosity, why do people get so pathetic when Professor X makes a post? He didn’t say anything different from what mr popular said, but suddenly mr angry pants became mr subservient pants.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
derek wrote:
mr popular wrote:
Will everyone please stop pretending that it does not say BODYBUILDING in big letters right up there…
Do you guys understand that there IS a strength sports forum…?
We don’t go over there to talk about feeling the pump and dieting for contest condition, so why do you guys come over here and constantly plug powerlifting and athletic training?
It gets old.
Wow, you really put us in our place didn’t you, princess?
I agree with him. No other forum gets this much cross contamination. There are people here with 11" forearms who claim they aren’t interested in hypertrophy…yet they post in the BODYBUILDING FORUM complaining that their forearms are too small and look funny.
WHY do people do this?[/quote]
I agree… it is EXACTLY why i rarely venture into this forum anymore.
I must say though, while the fitness few have ZERO reason to post here, there is SOME room for some strength training and oly lifts. I am a BB and incorporate them into my training.