Yep, those will all mix fine.
Good luck.
[quote]T Ham wrote:
Yep, those will all mix fine.
Good luck.[/quote]
Thanks for the help, I truly appreciate it.
I had also done some other research on Fish and Flaxseed Oils and their benefits (which I am sold on), and believe it or not, at the local supermarket/pharmacy I found both at a decent price, and from a respected U.S. company.
So I have begun taking them, along with a multi-vitamin, before I get the stuff from Biotest.
Off to the gym…
-Johndogg
Here’s a rundown on my last week…
Sunday- Rest
Monday- Total body workout, emphasis on chest
Tuesday- HIIT Sprint Cardio
Wednesday- Total Body Workout, heavier with the big leg lifts
Thursday- Total Body Workout, Emphasis on Arms
Friday- Total Body Workout, Emphasis on back and shoulders/ P.M. Beach Volleyball League- 2 HRs
Saturday- A.M. Softball league- 4 hrs/ PM HIIT Sprint Cardio
Sunday- Rest (A.M. high intensity Flag Football game- 1.5 hr’s)
On back-to-back days, I used different exercises and different rep amounts.
*Note…I’m back in the jeans and shorts that didn’t fit 2 weeks ago
Daily Avg’s-
Avg Calories for the week- Around 1800
Avg Protein- Around 205g
Avg Carbs- Around 95g
Avg Fat- Around 50g
Now I sit back and wait for my Biotest shipment to make it’s way to the Caribbean… I can’t wait!
Attached is a photo taken this morning, 13 days into the workout…I think it’s promising…definitely more definition all over…let me know what you guys think.
Also, I mixed it up today in the gym. I did a high reps total body workout, emphasis on arms, but switched the style up.
Each exercise was about 80% of max weight I’d use for a normal set of 8, and in some cases, did as many as I could. I did 1 set for every exercise. I was trying to keep my body from adapting to anything. It alternated no rest/short rest to sort of shock my system. During the workout, I got to the point where I felt amazing, post-workout I was dead. All in all, I was in there for approx. 30 minutes. Here’s what it looked like (please feel free to comment):
1-Slow as humanly possible dip, 1 rep.
No Rest
2-Barbell bicep curls- 15 reps,80% wieght
30 sec. rest
3-Tricep extension to failure-18 reps,80% weight
no rest
4-Slow as humanly possible dip 1 rep
30 sec. rest
5-Leg press- Max weight for 12 reps
no rest
6-Shoulder shrugs until failure,80% weight
30 sec. rest
7-DB Squat until failure,80% weight
no rest
8-Calf raises on leg press machine 60 reps
30 sec rest
9-Bench press(on rack, no spotter)- 70% weight until failure
10-Chest butterflys- 60% max weight, 25 reps
no rest
11-Reverse barbell curls,60% max weight,until failure
12-Tricep pulldowns, 50% weight, until failure (26 reps)
13-Incline Crunches- 40 reps
Like I said, it was to essentially keep my body on my toes, get the blood flowing everywhere, and mix it up. Felt good. (I know some of you referring to "shocking yoru system now and again)
Let me know what y’all think!
-Johndogg
Regarding your moobs… have you had your prolactin and estradiol checked lately. High levels of both/either can cause one to be “heavy chested”. It’s something to look in to.
And if you’re going to get your estradiol checked make sure it’s for sensitive estradiol, as the normal estradiol test is for women which encompases other fractions as well.
Brian
Ok… I hadn’t seen your picture before my last post. That definitely looks like gyno! Go to a doctor and get those tests checked out. Sometimes taking and anti-estrogen or dopamine agonist can clear it up. If it’s progressed too far you may need surgery. It’s hard to say though without looking at them close up.
Good luck!
Brian
[quote]Bri Hildebrandt wrote:
Regarding your moobs… have you had your prolactin and estradiol checked lately. High levels of both/either can cause one to be “heavy chested”. It’s something to look in to.
And if you’re going to get your estradiol checked make sure it’s for sensitive estradiol, as the normal estradiol test is for women which encompases other fractions as well.
Brian[/quote]
Thanks for the advice Brian. I have a hard time getting anything tested due to my location in the Caribbean. When I return to NY a couple times a year, I get basic stuff checked out, just to be safe.
If that were the case (what you described), what sort of action would be taken? Is it similar to anti-estrogenic agents? I have a friend who comes and goes to the states far more often than I do, and might be able to get something back here (legal supplements and non-legal…customs down here doesn’t really care about anything medicinal as long as it’s not narcotic).
I might be able to figure out something if that were the case. My mind is always open…
Thanks again for the input, I’ll be sure to research it and see if I feel like I fit the bill.
-Johndogg
[quote]Bri Hildebrandt wrote:
Ok… I hadn’t seen your picture before my last post. That definitely looks like gyno! Go to a doctor and get those tests checked out. Sometimes taking and anti-estrogen or dopamine agonist can clear it up. If it’s progressed too far you may need surgery. It’s hard to say though without looking at them close up.
Good luck!
Brian[/quote]
Before I came down here, I actually went to a doc and asked. He was a “quick to the knife” guy, and thought surgery would be the plan (and also pad his pocket). I consulted with others, and decided to save money, and to get the rest of my body in shape, I’d work at it.
Like I said, I think it’s more than just a normal dude’s “flabby” issue…And am open to supplements like you described.
Any other, more specific advice regarding anti-estrogen and dopamine agonists ?
I don’t want to compromise my health, but would be willing to try almost anything if it sounded right.
Thanks again,
Johndogg
[quote]Johndogg wrote:
Before I came down here, I actually went to a doc and asked. He was a “quick to the knife” guy, and thought surgery would be the plan (and also pad his pocket). I consulted with others, and decided to save money, and to get the rest of my body in shape, I’d work at it.
Like I said, I think it’s more than just a normal dude’s “flabby” issue…And am open to supplements like you described.
Any other, more specific advice regarding anti-estrogen and dopamine agonists ?
I don’t want to compromise my health, but would be willing to try almost anything if it sounded right.
Thanks again,
Johndogg[/quote]
First off, if the tissue has been around long enough it may need to be removed by surgery unfortunately. There are many reports of bodybuilders developing gyno and waiting too long for treatment and ultimately having to “go under the knife”. Once the tissue hardens not much else can be done.
But, some people have also been lucky to rid themselves of gyno with the use of anti-estrogens like Arimidex, Femara, and Aromasin. Femara inparticular has been used to diminish existing gyno, so that may be your best shot to start. There are some threads I believe about it in the steroid section of the forums here.
High prolactin may also cause gyno, as it is the hormone responsible for lactation in females, as well as a modulator of sex drive via dampening the neurotransmitter dopamine. The drug Dostinex has been used to decrease prolactin levels, which has a nice side effect of increasing sex drive as well. 
If you decrease estradiol prolactin usually lowers… also increasing estrogen can increase prolactin as well. So your first option may to try an antiestrogen if blood work is not available, if you want to be maverick about it.
I highly recommend getting some blood work done first though and going through a doctor.
Eat all of the egg…it’s not going to kill you,besides no one really knows if it’s good or bas since they change it so much
As to your chest problem do the following:
do your db presses but go up halfway(till you feel your chest kick in,souldnt be too high)then go down,then go all the way up and down again.That’s one rep,do those.Since you have a hard time with your chest your triceps are probably stronger then your chest so they do all the work,my tip will fix that in a jiffy.PM me if you need anything else
One of the Tanny brothers ate raw seafood exclusively and had a pretty good build. Eat a lot of eggs, seafood, fruits, and vegatables. For post workout use chocolate milk if you can; at least eat something sugary (pineapple juice) and eat some eggs.
As for training try TBT by Chad Waterbury and do some sprints or stairs on the off days.
Make sure you eat six meals a day with lean protein at each meal and plenty of fruits and vegatables. Your meals might look like:
meal 1- 6 eggs, small salad, banana (oats?)
meal 2- cottage cheese, celery, carrots, apple
meal 3- 2 cans tuna, salad, fruit…
more or less some form of protein plus a lot of vegatation…
Then have some chocolate milk post workout, and maybe have some complex carbs an hour later (pasta, rice, sweet potatoes, oats), look up the glycemic index to get an idea of what foods you want (lower = better).
I just read some other posts… if you have ready access to a lot of fish and vegatables then you shouldn’t need to go heavy on the flax and fish oil and a multivitamin may not be necessary either. I’m just going off of what Grey said early, that these things are easily available.
[quote]andy bumphren wrote:
One of the Tanny brothers ate raw seafood exclusively and had a pretty good build. Eat a lot of eggs, seafood, fruits, and vegatables. For post workout use chocolate milk if you can; at least eat something sugary (pineapple juice) and eat some eggs.
As for training try TBT by Chad Waterbury and do some sprints or stairs on the off days.
Make sure you eat six meals a day with lean protein at each meal and plenty of fruits and vegatables. Your meals might look like:
meal 1- 6 eggs, small salad, banana (oats?)
meal 2- cottage cheese, celery, carrots, apple
meal 3- 2 cans tuna, salad, fruit…
more or less some form of protein plus a lot of vegatation…
Then have some chocolate milk post workout, and maybe have some complex carbs an hour later (pasta, rice, sweet potatoes, oats), look up the glycemic index to get an idea of what foods you want (lower = better).[/quote]
This does sound similar to what I’ve been gunning for. Now, regarding the PWO Chocolate milk (you’re not the first to reccomend, so I’m going to go woth it since I can’t get my hands on Surge)…Pre-made chocolate milk is hard to come buy, so I bought chocolate syrup, 2 gallons of skim milk, and made my own jug of the stuff (should I add anything else to the mix?). Now,should I drink it after every workout? Or just lifting workouts? I do sprint cardio on off days, as well as occasionally sprint workouts in the pool. Is it a good idea to have after these sprint cardio workouts? Also, should I have a measured 8 ounces (a serving) or should I have more? I never associated chocolate milk as a PWO drink, but this site has given me alot that I’ve never considered and I love it. What exactly are the benefits to it as well? Thanks for the help!
Cheers,
Johndogg
[quote]jmwintenn wrote:
Eat all of the egg…it’s not going to kill you,besides no one really knows if it’s good or bas since they change it so much
As to your chest problem do the following:
do your db presses but go up halfway(till you feel your chest kick in,souldnt be too high)then go down,then go all the way up and down again.That’s one rep,do those.Since you have a hard time with your chest your triceps are probably stronger then your chest so they do all the work,my tip will fix that in a jiffy.PM me if you need anything else[/quote]
Thanks for the tips…I have been eating the whole egg lately…it fills me up, helps my fat stats, and tastes better that way so what the hell. I will definitely give your chest workout advice a shot. I do feel as if there is a good chance my triceps are getting a heavy workload.
Thanks again!
-Johndogg
[quote]Bri Hildebrandt wrote:
Johndogg wrote:
Before I came down here, I actually went to a doc and asked. He was a “quick to the knife” guy, and thought surgery would be the plan (and also pad his pocket). I consulted with others, and decided to save money, and to get the rest of my body in shape, I’d work at it.
Like I said, I think it’s more than just a normal dude’s “flabby” issue…And am open to supplements like you described.
Any other, more specific advice regarding anti-estrogen and dopamine agonists ?
I don’t want to compromise my health, but would be willing to try almost anything if it sounded right.
Thanks again,
Johndogg
First off, if the tissue has been around long enough it may need to be removed by surgery unfortunately. There are many reports of bodybuilders developing gyno and waiting too long for treatment and ultimately having to “go under the knife”. Once the tissue hardens not much else can be done.
But, some people have also been lucky to rid themselves of gyno with the use of anti-estrogens like Arimidex, Femara, and Aromasin. Femara inparticular has been used to diminish existing gyno, so that may be your best shot to start. There are some threads I believe about it in the steroid section of the forums here.
High prolactin may also cause gyno, as it is the hormone responsible for lactation in females, as well as a modulator of sex drive via dampening the neurotransmitter dopamine. The drug Dostinex has been used to decrease prolactin levels, which has a nice side effect of increasing sex drive as well. If you decrease estradiol prolactin usually lowers… also increasing estrogen can increase prolactin as well. So your first option may to try an antiestrogen if blood work is not available, if you want to be maverick about it.
I highly recommend getting some blood work done first though and going through a doctor.[/quote]
Thanks for the advice…I will be sure to look into those things. I found your post very useful.
With the nutritional advice, workout advice, and my renewed focus, I feel as if I will be able to attack this without surgery. I have improved my situation in the past, when losing weight. I figure, knowing the right “T-Nation” way to do things, with the aid of the right supplements and the right style of workouts, I should be able to kick some ass.
I have talked to my buddy, who in turn will talk to his “doctor” and we’ll see what I can get. I tend to err slightly on the “unconventional approach” side of things. So I may have more questions in a few days.
All in all, time will tell. Advice on this thread will help for sure.
Anything else that pops up, feel free to let me know, and as you’ve probably figured out, I’ll keep everyone posted with progress.
Cheers!
-Johndogg
I also forgot to ask about sushi. At the local marriott, they offer a pretty tasty, cheap and easy sushi menu in their lobby bar/restaurant area.
I do enjoy sushi, usually about a 6-piece meal, most of the time a spicy tuna roll with a spicy sauce on top and wasabi w/ a piece of ginger (there’s no mayo in this version). I also enjoy sashimi as well (fish wrapped around the rice). All pieces taste great when dipped in soy sauce.
This leads to the questions:
Is the white rice bad (I usually avoid any “white” carbs…white rice, white bread etc…)?
Is the soy sauce bad (salt, sodium etc.)?
When should I eat it, and should I eat sushi at all?
I figure it was a good, option, with protein easily available.
And YES, I will skip the Pina Colada at the lobby bar, I promise.
Cheers!
-Johndogg
Quick note
Often, after a High Intensity Interval Training cardio session, loaded with 30 yd. sprints, I come home and have a headache. Maybe it’s oxygen shortage, sugar depletion, I’m not sure…maybe you can tell me why. Anyway, I had read right before I left for the run that indeed the chocolate milk, PWO even for a sprinting cardio session, would be good for me.
So I had about 12 oz. of chocolate milk and bam! NO HEADACHE.
What gives T-Nationers?
-Johndogg
So, I have done TONS of reading, research, and maybe have spent too many hours on this site (no way!). I talked to a friend back home who I trust, as well as contacting a doctor in the states.
I did this, b/c I was thinking of starting , along with what I’ve been doing, the use of Nolvadex. I feel that with my body type, what I’m prone to, and with my history, Nolvadex would be a good place to go. Hardening up, eating clean.
My questions are these:
1- Do you agree?
2- I will work with my friend in deciding how much/which way to take it, any ideas from you guys?
3- Can I take it alongside HOT-ROX,Tribulus 500,creatine and ZMA?
4-Is there anything else I should take with it?
Obviously, I don’t have the body to do anything crazy just yet. I figure Nolvadex could help keep the estrogen levels supressed, help me shed fat, and help me ditch the moobs (while on a budget).
Off to the gym,
Johndogg
[quote]Johndogg wrote:
So, I have done TONS of reading, research, and maybe have spent too many hours on this site (no way!). I talked to a friend back home who I trust, as well as contacting a doctor in the states.
I did this, b/c I was thinking of starting , along with what I’ve been doing, the use of Nolvadex. I feel that with my body type, what I’m prone to, and with my history, Nolvadex would be a good place to go. Hardening up, eating clean.
My questions are these:
1- Do you agree?
2- I will work with my friend in deciding how much/which way to take it, any ideas from you guys?
3- Can I take it alongside HOT-ROX,Tribulus 500,creatine and ZMA?
4-Is there anything else I should take with it?
Obviously, I don’t have the body to do anything crazy just yet. I figure Nolvadex could help keep the estrogen levels supressed, help me shed fat, and help me ditch the moobs (while on a budget).
Off to the gym,
Johndogg[/quote]
Hi John
Nolvadex works directly on the tissues as an antiestrogen. I think it’s better reserved as a preventative agent rather than trying to get rid of existing gyno. Femara (Letrozole) prevents the conversion of testosterone to estradiol so it targets the problem at it’s source. With the Femara it is going to reduce your estradiol to almost nil, around 5% of previous levels approx. With the Nolvadex it is a much weaker antiestrogen and may just not cut it with pre-existing gyno. Nolvadex is much cheaper which is why you may be more interested in it at this point.
Anyone else is free to cut in, but I don’t think many people have had success with Nolvadex in this issue, especially long standing gyno. It would probably be a good idea to start heavily reading the steroid boards and do some searches to learn more about this issue.
After all is said and done, you may still need surgery unfortunately, but hopefully that won’t be the case. 
Regarding supps, the Femara on it’s own should greatly lean you out. I’d hold off on all the others for the time being especially if you are on a budget, since the Femara may be expensive. There most likely will be temporary side effects as well, something to look in to.
Anyways, there’s lots of info on this stuff if the appropriate searches are done. I’d search this site as well as googling others.
[quote]Bri Hildebrandt wrote:
Johndogg wrote:
So, I have done TONS of reading, research, and maybe have spent too many hours on this site (no way!). I talked to a friend back home who I trust, as well as contacting a doctor in the states.
I did this, b/c I was thinking of starting , along with what I’ve been doing, the use of Nolvadex. I feel that with my body type, what I’m prone to, and with my history, Nolvadex would be a good place to go. Hardening up, eating clean.
My questions are these:
1- Do you agree?
2- I will work with my friend in deciding how much/which way to take it, any ideas from you guys?
3- Can I take it alongside HOT-ROX,Tribulus 500,creatine and ZMA?
4-Is there anything else I should take with it?
Obviously, I don’t have the body to do anything crazy just yet. I figure Nolvadex could help keep the estrogen levels supressed, help me shed fat, and help me ditch the moobs (while on a budget).
Off to the gym,
Johndogg
Hi John
Nolvadex works directly on the tissues as an antiestrogen. I think it’s better reserved as a preventative agent rather than trying to get rid of existing gyno. Femara (Letrozole) prevents the conversion of testosterone to estradiol so it targets the problem at it’s source. With the Femara it is going to reduce your estradiol to almost nil, around 5% of previous levels approx. With the Nolvadex it is a much weaker antiestrogen and may just not cut it with pre-existing gyno. Nolvadex is much cheaper which is why you may be more interested in it at this point.
Anyone else is free to cut in, but I don’t think many people have had success with Nolvadex in this issue, especially long standing gyno. It would probably be a good idea to start heavily reading the steroid boards and do some searches to learn more about this issue.
After all is said and done, you may still need surgery unfortunately, but hopefully that won’t be the case.
Regarding supps, the Femara on it’s own should greatly lean you out. I’d hold off on all the others for the time being especially if you are on a budget, since the Femara may be expensive. There most likely will be temporary side effects as well, something to look in to.
Anyways, there’s lots of info on this stuff if the appropriate searches are done. I’d search this site as well as googling others.[/quote]
Thanks for the advice.
What about a Letrozole cycle, tapering up then down, with Nolvadex on the down taper?
Would that help with the effects of letrozole and allow for me to not lose the effects when off the cycle?
-Johndogg