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“I won’t dignify your questions with a response until you actually give something worth responding to.”

Oh, that’s absolutely hilarious considering the fact that you’ve posted nothing of substance in this thread whatsoever, instead choosing to state other people’s opinions as fact and wildly speculate about things you haven’t a clue about. Here’s a thought. Learn what the hell you’re talking about before you try to debate it with somebody. You don’t even know what a freaking allergy is, but you’re more than willing to teach us all about food allergies. Give me a damned break. A little introspection might be helpful at this time.

And of course you won’t answer the question. I didn’t expect that you would.

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bullshit

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neil,

you go and eat all the saturated fat you want, we will stick to our methods. re-post in ten to twenty years. we will compare our overall health and physiques improvements.

now please let this thread die.

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NeilG,

So, you’re saying that only one type of diet is right for people. To me, this is a ludacris statement. Some people on this site eat higher fat while others eat lower fat. It is what they found best to work with their body. For example, I have tinkered with both higher carb(60C/30P/10F)all the way up to higher fat(60F/30P/10C). The best macro ratio for me is (40P/35C/25F). Now, this is after a lot of experimentation with my body. Diet is individual and no one method is going to work for everyone. If you haven’t learned this yet, then you have a long way to go.

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Jason,

“So, you’re saying that only one type of diet is right for people. To me, this is a ludacris statement. Some people on this site eat higher fat while others eat lower fat. It is what they found best to work with their body. For example, I have tinkered with both higher carb(60C/30P/10F)all the way up to higher fat(60F/30P/10C). The best macro ratio for me is (40P/35C/25F). Now, this is after a lot of experimentation with my body. Diet is individual and no one method is going to work for everyone. If you haven’t learned this yet, then you have a long way to go.”

Please read my posts with MD2006.

Neil

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JWright,

“bullshit”

Hmm, what exactly is bullshit?

Thanks and take care,
Neil

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DocT,

“Oh, that’s absolutely hilarious considering the fact that you’ve posted nothing of substance in this thread whatsoever, instead choosing to state other people’s opinions as fact and wildly speculate about things you haven’t a clue about. Here’s a thought. Learn what the hell you’re talking about before you try to debate it with somebody. You don’t even know what a freaking allergy is, but you’re more than willing to teach us all about food allergies. Give me a damned break. A little introspection might be helpful at this time.”

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Who was the one who posted many references?

Let me give you a hint. It wasn’t you.

Neil

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AGAIN, posting other people’s opinions isn’t “posting references”.

You don’t even get that, do you?

Put down the propaganda, pick up a textbook, and learn something.

You still refuse to answer the question about your education and/or qualifications, and you still have no idea what an allergy is.

Are you ever going to address the points at hand or are you simply going to spew more bullshit?

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Hey Neil Diamond do you understand that a few times in this thread you have recommended raw foods including meat and eggs. I was on the toilet every thiry minutes from June 27th until July 4th. I lost ten lbs didnt lift for a week and didnt eat for two complete days during that week period. This was caused by eating meat that wasnt cooked thoroughly enough. You are not only and idiot but a big fat idiot. What you are recommending to people is not only reckless and dangerous but particularly fatal to people with impaired immune systems. Did you know a good many people die from food poisoning every year and even more develop irreveresable stomach damage which causes problems the rest of their lives. You dont know everything and you need to shutup and learn a little bit before you start spouting off false information as if it were gospel.

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Let’s summarize here.

“Let’s get something straight here. A diet consisting of canned tuna, cottage cheese, skinless chicken breasts, and MRPs every day is NOT a “clean” or “healthy” diet.”

I don’t think anyone really disagreed with this, although I changed my mind and said it might be considered “clean”.

“First off, where’s the fat? You NEED fat in your diet, and eating this low fat is not good for health, not to mention it lowers T levels. And you shouldn’t be getting most of your fat from polyunsaturated sources - this is NOT healthy.”

I don’t think anyone disagreed with this, either.

“Second, you can’t eat the same thing every day. You need to vary the diet in order to prevent development of allergies. Plus it gives you a wider source of nutrients. And no, just because some of you don’t develop allergies does not mean allergies cannot develop.”

Ok, so some people question the allergy thing. I do recall Poliquin mentioning something about allergies to protein sources recently on his site…

I don’t think anyone disagreed about the nutrient part.

“A MRP is a supplement, NOT a staple. It should only be for when you absolutely cannot get in a solid meal. Consuming MRPs all the time compromises intestinal flora, and contains lots of synthetic vitamins, and could very easily contain chemicals that are not good for you.”

I don’t think anyone disagreed with this, either.

“This type of diet does not include much nutrient content. Where are all the good vitamins comming from? No, don’t tell me you take a mega multiple…those are synthetic vitamins and do not do the same thing. And how many multiples contain vitamins C, calcium, potassium, etc? Not to mention beta-carotene is NOT vitamin A.”

Ok, I don’t think anyone disagreed with the first part.

Some disagreed and said synthetic vitamins work the same as those in foods. They obviously need to do some reading.

“Why don’t people eat more eggs? Eat 3-12 raw a day and you’ll get a lot of great vitamins. Include some oysters and clams in there, too…they’re jam packed with extremely valuable nutrients (such as zinc, which is found to be depleted in many atheletes). Eat some veal liver. It has tons of vitamin A and other B vitamins. Eat shrimp that supplies a lot of vitamin D. Use butter for the good fats and vitamins in it. Add some more fermented products in there to help digestion and intestinal health. Add some cod liver oil into the diet as well. Buy whole chickens and cook them, and when you’re done eating the meat, take the carcass, put it into 2-3 liters of water, add some seasoning and 1-2 tbsp of vinegar and let it cook for 6 or more hours. This is a GREAT source of many nutrients that’s found in the bones and cartilage. Add the giblets into the soup, too. It’s all good.”

The only part that was disagreed with is the eggs, yet I addressed the issue with links and explanations.

“I don’t know why such important foods are forgotten when they supply such vital nutrients.”

No disagreement here.

So what’s the big deal?

Neil

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I would guess that a good percentage of the T-Mag readers use MRPs on a daily basis. It’s hard to get your required protein from whole foods alone.

Did you use to post under the name BigConan?

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NeilG, you?re doing well arguing your case against overwhelming opposition.

But you?re obviously confused. You have found a few webpages that offer a concept, contain references, and therefore think it?s the truth.

Ravnskov is a nut, who claims a point of view that doesn?t really matter. He also argues it against overwhelming evidence.
Western Price are also fucked, Mary Enig should pull her head out of her ass and look around the real world.
And I?m not even gonna touch on mercola because he?s so far over the fringe I might fall off the side of the earth.
Your evidence for the use of a high fat diet is lacking. The Inuit population has a lower risk of heart disease from a high intake of PUFAs and MUFAs, although the overall intake wasn?t exactly that high, and depending on the time of year. Summer had more access to fruits and roots etc, winter they made do off mainly protein sources. They also were extremely physically active, and you also cannot dispute the fact that they have adapted to their diet over countless generations spent in that environment.
Masai are also another special example. They eat a high intake of saturated fat, and they don?t have high cholesterol. But, genetic research has shown that they handle fats and cholesterol differently than a European population (also they have massive aorta, so even if cholesterol plaque builds up they do not actually have definable heart disease). They are also physically active yada yada.
The interesting thing, even when the Masai take on a more western diet (NOT high in PUFA as you insinuate, western average is around 7-8% total energy) they still have cholesterol different to matched white controls, because of the pre-mentioned genetic differences.
Looking at the diet of hunter gathers, you get a moderate ~40% fat diet, with higher PUFAs, but the diet changed season to season, and malnutrition would follow a ?lean? year.

I hope you have realized that you haven?t really provided a decent reference yet. Providing a bunch of web pages isn?t decent referencing.

Try

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=Pager&DB=PubMed

Try a search for allergies, and see if you can find epidemiological data for allergies, or actually anything you claim

ACF BSc (Hunt), PGradDipSci (Hunt), MSc coming in a while too.

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let me summarize also:

“You are not only an idiot but a big fat idiot!”

i dont think anyone disagrees with that.

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Goldberg,

Buy some real food and it won’t be a problem.

I eat raw buffalo and ostrich with no problem. I like my liver rare, along with most other meats except chicken. I’ve been eating raw eggs for years. Zero problems.

Pasturization and other such things are only a coverup for dirty practices.

Real food does not require this.

Neil

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Synthetic vitamins are exactly the same chemical compounds with the same molecules in the same places. There is no possible way your body can know the difference.

Here’s sort of an example. You can take Iodine 131 which is a radioactive nuclide. It’s chemically identical to regular iodine and your body shuttles it to your thyroid just the same. Problem. While chemically it’s good for you radiologically it’s very bad news. It sits there and decays and irradiates the hell out of the thyroid. If you ingest enough of it cancer is just about guaranteed.

Why doesn’t your body “know” it’s not regular iodine? Because it’s just chemical reactions and biology, nothing metaphysical or mysterious. Ascorbic acid is ascorbic acid no matter the source. If it’s pure you couldn’t tell the source and neither can your body.

Natural sources of certain things may have some additional benefits due to additional substances but that’s about it.

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I’ve never met a group of people that that would make up so much stuff, then say the guy who provided evidence is lacking in support of his claims. LOL

You guys are funny. It’s just sad that not all of you could handle a real debate like MD2006, for example. You babies have the logic of an 8 year old, and boy does it ever show. It’s painfully obvious to the smart ones here what total utter retards the majority of you are. Instead of actually debating like a man, you act like a little kid and start making things up and start poking fun while avoiding the subject. Don’t worry, though, this is natural. It’s a natural defense for someone with such an underdevelped intellect.

MD2006, thanks for actually doing some real debating. I hope these kids will learn something from you…because boy, they have a lot of learning to do. I haven’t witnessed such idiocy since I visited a vegan message board. LOL

It’s ok, though. Ignorance is bliss, right? Most of you should have a wonderful life, then.

Thanks and take care!
Neil

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DocT,

Get a clue and look up the references on the sites, TOO. That stuff is all fully referenced. There are a TON of references. Why don’t you go look through all those references before you say retarded shit.

You said you’re a doctor, right? I certainly hope you’re kidding…it’s scary to think people would trust you with their lives.

I’m done with you idiots.

Take care,
Neil

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seems to like his liver doesn’t he, you do know what a liver is NG?

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NeilG, I commend you for being able to keep a cool head and make an effort to present your arguments with references, while alot of people are name calling you.

It’s funny how those trashing you based on your young age and lack of credentials have on other occasions commented on the worthlessness of degrees. Actually, some of these very same people have a favorite strength guru that doesnt even hold a formal degree!

Regardless, the fact that you could hold your own after only 2/3 a year lifting tells me that you’ll be way ahead of most in record time.

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Don’t argue with Doc-T, he never gives up, unles you enjoy the challenge.