Weston A. Price “Nutrition and Physical Degeneration”
Dr. Ravnskov “Cholesterol Myths”
Sally Fallon and Dr. Mary G. Enig “Nourishing Traditions”
Neil
http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/skinny.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/nutrition_guidelines/nutrition_guidelines.html
I bet Seminole Chick and ol Neil Diamond, uh, I mean NeilG go to those websites that say that aliens run the planet and that all our leaders report to the aliens.
NeilG, you are to diet and nutrition what www.godhatesfags.com is to Christianity.
Please don’t reproduce.
MD2006,
Did you know the guy who looks out for “quacks” lies about his credentials?
I’ll go over some points of his anyway so you don’t think I’m blowing this off.
“While extolling their health, he ignored their short life expectancy and high rates of infant mortality, endemic diseases, and malnutrition.”
Well, duh, of course there will be shorter life expectancy and higher infant mortality rates and all that when the conditions are so harsh. They weren’t living in nice homes. It’s a rediculous argument.
“When large amounts of sweets were suddenly made available, they overindulged. Ignorant of the value of balancing their diets, they also ingested too much fatty and salty food. Their problems were not caused by eating “civilized” food but by abusing it.”
Umm, some traditional cultures ate up to 80% calories as fat. The Masai and Inuit both ate very large quantities of fat. Why no problems with them?
“Page also claimed that milk was “unnatural” and was the underlying cause of colds, sinus infections, colitis, and cancer.”
He’s probably referring to pasturized milk.
“But the idea that “body chemistry” goes in and out of balance is a quack concept.”
Oh, deficiencies are made up, huh?
Check this out:
" During the period of rapid increase in heart disease (1920-1960), American consumption of animal fats declined but consumption of hydrogenated and industrially processed vegetable fats increased dramatically. (USDA-HNI)"
So if animal saturated fats are the cause, then why is disease increasing with their decrease? Vegetable oil use has increased dramatically, along with a dramatic increase in disease.
Back to work now…
Neil
Goldberg,
I see all you can do is make things up and make fun of people instead of actually looking at evidence and offering comments or rebuttals.
A 6 year old can do what you’re doing.
Neil
NeilG,
I think you missed the sarcasm in my statement. This post should be listed under the topic of things that piss me off, that being someone with no knowledge stating his own OPINIONS as facts. Here is the deal, havent you noticed that with all of the diets on T-mag most of them controdict the next, why is this? Because there is never ONE answer. All body types are different. You make a post like this one as if to have the answer we have all missed. Im getting off before my I.Q. drops reading your crap.
NeilG- Stop the Nonsense. Please.
NeilG, don’t give Goldberg a hard time. People tried reasoning with you, but that didn’t work. So we can now act like children if we want to.
TFreak,
“…that being someone with no knowledge stating his own OPINIONS as facts.”
I gave supporting evidence that are fully referenced. If that’s opinion, then ok.
“Because there is never ONE answer. All body types are different. You make a post like this one as if to have the answer we have all missed.”
I agree. There isn’t one single answer, although there is a common theme across traditional peoples that live all over the world and have never had contact with each other. This is that fat is important part of their diet, as well as many “super foods”. Yeah, there are some tribes in Africa that are close to vegans, but they do relish insects because they know they contain a lot of important nutrients, espeically ones contained in animal fat. It’s interesting to note that these people were not as healthy as the carnivorous Masai that are also in Africa, who eat meat, blood, and raw milk.
Neil
Jared,
“NeilG, don’t give Goldberg a hard time. People tried reasoning with you, but that didn’t work. So we can now act like children if we want to.”
Oh, I shouldn’t give Goldberg a hard time. He started off by calling me an idiot and not giving evidence. Insults and no evidence. Right, and I’m the one that’s supposed to be nice. Gotcha.
Neil
about: www.quackwatch.org
I don’t see why people treat that page as being some excellent argument against any ‘alternative’ theory that they don’t agree with. I looked through a whole bunch of his stuff and most of it is based on specious reasoning and his own beliefs. The guy probably does have a vested interest in believing that a lot of the alternatives to modern western medicine don’t work, just like a holistic nutritionist has vested interest in believing that the alternatives do work. But for heavens sake, why post that trash as a link as if it somehow gives your own ideas more veracity?
Its no different than me posting something from westonaprice.org or any other site…
“Did you know the guy who looks out for “quacks” lies about his credentials?”
If you are referring to his use of undercover investigation then yes I’m aware he lies about his credentials.
“While extolling their health, he ignored their short life expectancy and high rates of infant mortality, endemic diseases, and malnutrition.”
Good diet and malnutrition don’t go hand in hand.
“When large amounts of sweets were suddenly made available, they overindulged. Ignorant of the value of balancing their diets, they also ingested too much fatty and salty food. Their problems were not caused by eating “civilized” food but by abusing it.”
I have no real problems with a high fat diet per se. The point is that there are many good approaches to healthy eating. I’m going to actually disagree with the article on this point. The problem wasn’t the high fat diet, the problem was combining a high fat diet with a high sugar diet. Read some of the t-mag articles by John Berardi on the subject of combining carbs and fat for more on this topic. Although a high fat diet “can” be healthy I don’t agree on the specific breakdown of the fats on a high fat diet that Dr. Price promotes.
“Page also claimed that milk was “unnatural” and was the underlying cause of colds, sinus infections, colitis, and cancer.”
“He’s probably referring to pasturized milk.”
I’ll let you have this one.
“But the idea that “body chemistry” goes in and out of balance is a quack concept.”
“Oh, deficiencies are made up, huh?”
I think this is really referring to electrolytes and blood chemistries, which your body keeps in a very close range except in the case of certain ilness. I also think they have trouble with the vague term body chemistry. Be more specific.
" During the period of rapid increase in heart disease (1920-1960), American consumption of animal fats declined but consumption of hydrogenated and industrially processed vegetable fats increased dramatically. (USDA-HNI)"
“So if animal saturated fats are the cause, then why is disease increasing with their decrease? Vegetable oil use has increased dramatically, along with a dramatic increase in disease.”
It could be that physical activity decreased during that time period.
Neil:
You keep putting down polyunsaturates and giving us reasons why they are bad. The problem with this is most americans consume polyunsaturates through fried foods. Most of your studies are reflecting this fact. Most of the people on this site do not eat fried foods at all or if they do, it’s for a cheat day.
NeilG, Goldberg didn’t have to give any more evidence than he did. I think the rest of the gang took care of that.
MD2006,
Thank you for the response! I’m glad to hear some actual points instead of the insults and other crap from most of the others.
“If you are referring to his use of undercover investigation then yes I’m aware he lies about his credentials.”
You know more about this than I do. I won’t comment on him until I find out more info.
“Good diet and malnutrition don’t go hand in hand.”
I’ve read Dr. Price’s book, but I didn’t find any cases of malnutrition in the isolated primitives. Could he have just left it out? Sure. But neither of us can say. What I’m thinking the quackwatch guy might be doing is referring to the malnutritioned people in Africa today, which did not fit Dr. Prices qualifications for study, being that they were not isolated and following primitive diets.
“I have no real problems with a high fat diet per se. The point is that there are many good approaches to healthy eating.”
I will agree with this. But there are some consitancies in the traditional diets. It’s interesting that people that have lived that way for thousands of years and have had no contact with each other would show similar knowledge. One is that high animal fat foods are needed for health.
I agree that sugar is the biggest problem.
“Although a high fat diet “can” be healthy I don’t agree on the specific breakdown of the fats on a high fat diet that Dr. Price promotes.”
What do you disagree with in particular? I’d be interested to know.
"“He’s probably referring to pasturized milk.”
I’ll let you have this one."
Check this link out:
“I think this is really referring to electrolytes and blood chemistries, which your body keeps in a very close range except in the case of certain ilness. I also think they have trouble with the vague term body chemistry. Be more specific.”
Heh, well, if there is a diseased state that would cause it, then there would indeed be imbalances of the “body chemistry”. I don’t see how they think this is quakery.
“It could be that physical activity decreased during that time period.”
That is definitely a factor. But I will say I see more and more people “working out” in some way, yet general health continues to deteriorate in this country.
The way I look at it is this- If modern medicine was so right about all this, then why is disease getting worse? People are eating less animal fats and eating more grains. So even if the activity level decreased, shouldn’t there be a decrease in disease? I don’t know of anyone that eats healthy and doesn’t exercise that is riddled with disease. You could also look at some of the women in a lot of tribes. While they did work, they weren’t running around hunting animals. Why didn’t they have such rampent disease?
Thanks and take care,
Neil
JasonL,
“You keep putting down polyunsaturates and giving us reasons why they are bad. The problem with this is most americans consume polyunsaturates through fried foods. Most of your studies are reflecting this fact. Most of the people on this site do not eat fried foods at all or if they do, it’s for a cheat day.”
Polyunsaturateds have their place, EFAs, of course. But too much is the problem, and this is if they’re NOT rancid.
Once you heat polys to high temperatures, the go rancid and then they’re HORRIBLE of you. So yes, heating polys are a major factor to the deteriorating health of America in general.
I’ll get you some specific info on why polys in excess by themselves are bad for you when I get home today. I’ve been spending way too much time with this thread today…back to work.
Neil