[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Jab1 wrote:
Jesus christ zraw give it a rest. You’re boring. [/quote]
Totally. He keeps on and on like a bitchy female who thinks her man ain’t listening
[/quote]
Are you serious? This isn’t even the Phil Heath thread and you brought it up here?
Each passing post, the more I suspect that Professor X and the Buttbuddy Gymrat Brigade are illiterate.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Achilles of war wrote:
[quote]ElevenMag wrote:
I couldn’t watch this thread develop since I was turkey hunting for the past week but you guys really blew up for no reason over my comments when later they were all stated later in the thread by someone else who observed them, besides the liver and kidney issues which are proven by science. VTBalla is a liar if he knows all these users and he hasn’t even heard of dependence/addiction to these drugs.
My comments were directly solely at the OP because there are absolutely zero positive reasons for his use of AAS to build muscles for vanity. I wasn’t talking about HRT. The truth about the health issues is they are never going to run long enough studies on the stuff because of the ethics and health risks imposed on those taking extremely high levels over long periods of time. You can’t mitigate the long term changes from high levels of AAS cycling over years of time if you don’t know what they are.
And don’t start on this it natural because its in you and comes from potatoes. Your body produces the optimum amount of T that it needs in most cases. Injecting a bunch of extra in order to build strength and muscle mass is by no means a natural amount of T.
Go ahead and do it if you have the genetics and want to be a IFBB pro, strongman, in the NFL, top rated powerlifter, oylmpics or whatever but if you just a performance boost or to look good you are a f’ing idiot. The OP and most users, even though it’s their own personal choice, fall into the last group. F’ing idiots. If you don’t have the natural T to get big without them I think its time to pick up another hobby to focus on. I’m not reading the entirety of this thread [/quote]
Elevenmag
STFU VIRGIN.
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hahaha well said.[/quote]
Did you see the whole video of Dave Tate?
I don’t use steroids for various reasons, but the biggest one is that I’m scared. You can have a million people advocating them in a logial fashion and I can agree with all their reasoning, but the upshot is that I’m scared. Same way you can explain how the risks of jumping from a plane can be minimised (parachute, instructor, training, etc), but I’m still not jumping out of a fecking plane.
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Jab1 wrote:
Jesus christ zraw give it a rest. You’re boring. [/quote]
Totally. He keeps on and on like a bitchy female who thinks her man ain’t listening
[/quote]
Are you serious? This isn’t even the Phil Heath thread and you brought it up here?
Each passing post, the more I suspect that Professor X and the Buttbuddy Gymrat Brigade are illiterate.[/quote]
Posts like this just show how much of a loser you are talking shit on a web site. I’m mostly a lurker but HOLY SHIT did I read a lot of garbage about the arm routine thing. Why even fight about it? It’s like a bunch of douchebags vs the X. People who like to gang up on someone are pussies end of. He wanted to know his routine, why talk about ANYTHING else? You attitude is so shit you need to go learn how to talk to people. So many angry people on this site its pathetic, X I dont know u but just ignore the garbage.
I swear its like parenting failing world wide with these people.
[quote]polished1 wrote:
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Jab1 wrote:
Jesus christ zraw give it a rest. You’re boring. [/quote]
Totally. He keeps on and on like a bitchy female who thinks her man ain’t listening
[/quote]
Are you serious? This isn’t even the Phil Heath thread and you brought it up here?
Each passing post, the more I suspect that Professor X and the Buttbuddy Gymrat Brigade are illiterate.[/quote]
Posts like this just show how much of a loser you are talking shit on a web site. I’m mostly a lurker but HOLY SHIT did I read a lot of garbage about the arm routine thing. Why even fight about it? It’s like a bunch of douchebags vs the X. People who like to gang up on someone are pussies end of. He wanted to know his routine, why talk about ANYTHING else? You attitude is so shit you need to go learn how to talk to people. So many angry people on this site its pathetic, X I dont know u but just ignore the garbage.
I swear its like parenting failing world wide with these people.[/quote]
Lol @ just wanted to know his routine
Fucking dumb just to think he is/was doing something different
Also major lol @ ganging up
sry for not letting the garbage flow thru
You should switch to FST-7. I heard adding roids + doing 9 sets of biceps wil make your arms blow up once you turn pro. But only once you turn pro so be sure to do that first
[quote]Badunk wrote:
I don’t use steroids for various reasons, but the biggest one is that I’m scared. You can have a million people advocating them in a logial fashion and I can agree with all their reasoning, but the upshot is that I’m scared. Same way you can explain how the risks of jumping from a plane can be minimised (parachute, instructor, training, etc), but I’m still not jumping out of a fecking plane.[/quote]
Seriously man, grow some fucking balls and use steroids.
Hang on a minute?
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, if I start steroids, I get phill heath’s arms, right?[/quote]
It’s ALL DRUGS.[/quote]
SHHH DOOOD! I’m trying to gets the secretes.
Man, I like to go over to PWI or GAL and bullshit some times, but some of the things I’ve “learned” on the training forums recently have been absurd.[/quote]
Oh, it gets better. Don’t dare ask how a pro bodybuilder trains because you will also get “ALL DRUGS” as the answer.[/quote]
No one said it was “ALL DRUGS”. You are a fool for thinking drugs are not the key factor for a guy that is already pro or close to there
Adapted routine would help bring up a weak bodypart. Not bring a bodypart to “best bodypart” to “bigger best bodypart but still pretty much in the same proportions as before”
If anything Phil’s arms are now looking “less” out of proportion with the rest of his body since he brought up his weak/weaker areas
Lol @ being unable to keep argument in a single thread
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I agree that drugs dont make a pro, its largely genetics that determine that.
But I do think that most average guys can get freaking massive by most normal peoples standards from using a ton of gear, they’ll just never win a major bodybuilding show. Drugs do make a huge difference, and there are some people that who look like they need a good meal who you would never think would end up massive grow like the smell of fish in a ladies sauna after hitting the sauce so what constitutes genetics is also up for debate.
Pros in any sport deserve respect, to get that good at anything requires dedication and talent.
[quote]polished1 wrote:
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Jab1 wrote:
Jesus christ zraw give it a rest. You’re boring. [/quote]
Totally. He keeps on and on like a bitchy female who thinks her man ain’t listening
[/quote]
Are you serious? This isn’t even the Phil Heath thread and you brought it up here?
Each passing post, the more I suspect that Professor X and the Buttbuddy Gymrat Brigade are illiterate.[/quote]
Posts like this just show how much of a loser you are talking shit on a web site. I’m mostly a lurker but HOLY SHIT did I read a lot of garbage about the arm routine thing. Why even fight about it? It’s like a bunch of douchebags vs the X. People who like to gang up on someone are pussies end of. He wanted to know his routine, why talk about ANYTHING else? You attitude is so shit you need to go learn how to talk to people. So many angry people on this site its pathetic, X I dont know u but just ignore the garbage.
I swear its like parenting failing world wide with these people.[/quote]
Go back to lurking and taking high contrast pictures under extreme lighting and twisting poses, bubba.
Noone’s talking about the arm thing here, that’s the point. It’s not the right fucking thread.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, if I start steroids, I get phill heath’s arms, right?[/quote]
It’s ALL DRUGS.[/quote]
SHHH DOOOD! I’m trying to gets the secretes.
Man, I like to go over to PWI or GAL and bullshit some times, but some of the things I’ve “learned” on the training forums recently have been absurd.[/quote]
Oh, it gets better. Don’t dare ask how a pro bodybuilder trains because you will also get “ALL DRUGS” as the answer.[/quote]
No one said it was “ALL DRUGS”. You are a fool for thinking drugs are not the key factor for a guy that is already pro or close to there
Adapted routine would help bring up a weak bodypart. Not bring a bodypart to “best bodypart” to “bigger best bodypart but still pretty much in the same proportions as before”
If anything Phil’s arms are now looking “less” out of proportion with the rest of his body since he brought up his weak/weaker areas
Lol @ being unable to keep argument in a single thread
[/quote]
I agree that drugs dont make a pro, its largely genetics that determine that.
But I do think that most average guys can get freaking massive by most normal peoples standards from using a ton of gear, they’ll just never win a major bodybuilding show. Drugs do make a huge difference, and there are some people that who look like they need a good meal who you would never think would end up massive grow like the smell of fish in a ladies sauna after hitting the sauce so what constitutes genetics is also up for debate.
Pros in any sport deserve respect, to get that good at anything requires dedication and talent.
[/quote]
I never considered what a ladies sauna smells like
Now that its in my head
It won’t leave
Hot dry sardines
I hate you
I really do like that analogy from Dave Tate. As with any analogy, if you dissect it too much, it falls apart, but I think it’s pretty solid. It’s also more directed at performance, rather than physique/appearance.
But to take that analogy further, make it a full poker hand. Current/past world class pro BBers did not play that Ace too early. They just added that Ace in with their other cards from genetics, competent programming, diet, hard work, etc. You aren’t likely to win titles in a sport, or win Mr. Olympia with just one Ace.
Dave’s explanation fits with this, if you are a high school kid, and you have to start juicing just to make a football team? You’re overall hand probly isn’t gonna be good enough to get recruited for a D1 school (Keyword: probably. And admittedly theres late bloomers and whatnot, but the general idea is accurate, I think)
Anywho my current stance with roids: Up until recently I’ve relied on personal second-hand experience, instead of scientific data. Every single guy I’ve known to do any kind of cycle is addicted and severely depressed. One guy in my gym blew his head off. Add to that to whats been brought up, health risks (I honestly don’t really know what they are), cost, legality, methods of purchase, reliability of the product, etc.
I just don’t see myself ever doin em, but I don’t lose a shred of respect for people that do.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, if I start steroids, I get phill heath’s arms, right?[/quote]
It’s ALL DRUGS.[/quote]
SHHH DOOOD! I’m trying to gets the secretes.
Man, I like to go over to PWI or GAL and bullshit some times, but some of the things I’ve “learned” on the training forums recently have been absurd.[/quote]
Oh, it gets better. Don’t dare ask how a pro bodybuilder trains because you will also get “ALL DRUGS” as the answer.[/quote]
No one said it was “ALL DRUGS”. You are a fool for thinking drugs are not the key factor for a guy that is already pro or close to there
Adapted routine would help bring up a weak bodypart. Not bring a bodypart to “best bodypart” to “bigger best bodypart but still pretty much in the same proportions as before”
If anything Phil’s arms are now looking “less” out of proportion with the rest of his body since he brought up his weak/weaker areas
Lol @ being unable to keep argument in a single thread
[/quote]
I agree that drugs dont make a pro, its largely genetics that determine that.
But I do think that most average guys can get freaking massive by most normal peoples standards from using a ton of gear, they’ll just never win a major bodybuilding show. Drugs do make a huge difference, and there are some people that who look like they need a good meal who you would never think would end up massive grow like the smell of fish in a ladies sauna after hitting the sauce so what constitutes genetics is also up for debate.
Pros in any sport deserve respect, to get that good at anything requires dedication and talent.
[/quote]
I never considered what a ladies sauna smells like
Now that its in my head
It won’t leave
Hot dry sardines
I hate you[/quote]
I love sardines.
I don’t because I give blood platelets every third week when I can. That is most important to me
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
[quote]polished1 wrote:
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Jab1 wrote:
Jesus christ zraw give it a rest. You’re boring. [/quote]
Totally. He keeps on and on like a bitchy female who thinks her man ain’t listening
[/quote]
Are you serious? This isn’t even the Phil Heath thread and you brought it up here?
Each passing post, the more I suspect that Professor X and the Buttbuddy Gymrat Brigade are illiterate.[/quote]
Posts like this just show how much of a loser you are talking shit on a web site. I’m mostly a lurker but HOLY SHIT did I read a lot of garbage about the arm routine thing. Why even fight about it? It’s like a bunch of douchebags vs the X. People who like to gang up on someone are pussies end of. He wanted to know his routine, why talk about ANYTHING else? You attitude is so shit you need to go learn how to talk to people. So many angry people on this site its pathetic, X I dont know u but just ignore the garbage.
I swear its like parenting failing world wide with these people.[/quote]
Go back to lurking and taking high contrast pictures under extreme lighting and twisting poses, bubba.
Noone’s talking about the arm thing here, that’s the point. It’s not the right fucking thread.
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Yeah, we all KNOW it’s not the arm thread. Zraw brought up Phil’s arms here a few posts back.
Besides, where are YOUR pics, pot?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Yeah, we all KNOW it’s not the arm thread. Zraw brought up Phil’s arms here a few posts back.
Besides, where are YOUR pics, pot?
[/quote]
Sup. Here’s a picture of ME I posted a while back.
I hope YOU enjoy MY picture, pot?
PS: First mention of Philsulin or arms in this thread
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, if I start steroids, I get phill heath’s arms, right?[/quote]
zraw didnt even come in until the next page
you are literally illiterate
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
[quote]polished1 wrote:
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Jab1 wrote:
Jesus christ zraw give it a rest. You’re boring. [/quote]
Totally. He keeps on and on like a bitchy female who thinks her man ain’t listening
[/quote]
Are you serious? This isn’t even the Phil Heath thread and you brought it up here?
Each passing post, the more I suspect that Professor X and the Buttbuddy Gymrat Brigade are illiterate.[/quote]
Posts like this just show how much of a loser you are talking shit on a web site. I’m mostly a lurker but HOLY SHIT did I read a lot of garbage about the arm routine thing. Why even fight about it? It’s like a bunch of douchebags vs the X. People who like to gang up on someone are pussies end of. He wanted to know his routine, why talk about ANYTHING else? You attitude is so shit you need to go learn how to talk to people. So many angry people on this site its pathetic, X I dont know u but just ignore the garbage.
I swear its like parenting failing world wide with these people.[/quote]
Go back to lurking and taking high contrast pictures under extreme lighting and twisting poses, bubba.
Noone’s talking about the arm thing here, that’s the point. It’s not the right fucking thread.
[/quote]
Yeah, we all KNOW it’s not the arm thread. Zraw brought up Phil’s arms here a few posts back.
Besides, where are YOUR pics, pot?
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God ur.quite.the idiot.arent.you
I didnt bring.it here i responded.to.the guy you.dickride
Who cares who started what where? Focus on stopping it instead.
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Yeah, we all KNOW it’s not the arm thread. Zraw brought up Phil’s arms here a few posts back.
Besides, where are YOUR pics, pot?
[/quote]
Sup. Here’s a picture of ME I posted a while back.
I hope YOU enjoy MY picture, pot?
PS: First mention of Philsulin or arms in this thread
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, if I start steroids, I get phill heath’s arms, right?[/quote]
zraw didnt even come in until the next page
you are literally illiterate
[/quote]
Cant argue with that.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Yeah, we all KNOW it’s not the arm thread. Zraw brought up Phil’s arms here a few posts back.
Besides, where are YOUR pics, pot?
[/quote]
Sup. Here’s a picture of ME I posted a while back.
I hope YOU enjoy MY picture, pot?
PS: First mention of Philsulin or arms in this thread
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, if I start steroids, I get phill heath’s arms, right?[/quote]
zraw didnt even come in until the next page
you are literally illiterate
[/quote]
Cant argue with that.[/quote]
Lol, there’s probably going to be some twisted way for it to be all my fault
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Yeah, we all KNOW it’s not the arm thread. Zraw brought up Phil’s arms here a few posts back.
Besides, where are YOUR pics, pot?
[/quote]
Sup. Here’s a picture of ME I posted a while back.
I hope YOU enjoy MY picture, pot?
PS: First mention of Philsulin or arms in this thread
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, if I start steroids, I get phill heath’s arms, right?[/quote]
zraw didnt even come in until the next page
you are literally illiterate
[/quote]
Cant argue with that.[/quote]
Lol, there’s probably going to be some twisted way for it to be all my fault
[/quote]
Im already fully expecting that.
And by the way big ups to want2getlean for not only posting a pic, but looking pretty good too.
This thread is the biggest circle jerk I’ve ever seen. I swear the steroid users are as bad as the media. Of course there’s never any negative effects ever of roids. Especially not by people on this forum
Fat marzouk didn’t have a blood pressure of 150/100- heart attack waiting to happen
Waylander didn’t almost LOSE his arm due to an infection WTF Is Wrong With My Arm?! - Pharma - Forums - T Nation
Walkway didn’t have a friend with a liver abcess due to steroids. He also never had any signs of gyno
Oh and for fun google “tren rage” or “deca dick” for some fun stories. Deck dick which can last a long ass time even after you stop using. Also check out some of the sides of clomid (PCT) causing people to randomly get emotional (walkway) or start crying out of nowhere even.
Please keep it REAL, obviously there are benefits but to say there’s no side effects and its all the media is a joke.