Steroids in Sports

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]sonnyp wrote:
http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/category/steroids/

An interesting read. This guy admits unlike some of the posters on this thread that AAS does assist athletes in hitting for power, but shows other possible causes for the homerun spike of the 90’s.[/quote]

Seeing some one say GH doesnt help makes me take what they have to say less seriously. GH will increase recovery allowing harder and more practice. It will increase injury recovery time and even prevent injuries because if enhanced recovery ability. That all seems like it helps IMO. [/quote]

Yeah, like leveling the mound off to take that advantage away from pitchers. I am sure that had nothing to do with the spike of homeruns.

AA’s will help with power, strength, recovery time, warding off injury, etc. BUT you just don’t take them and magically go from being an average player to a superstar. Which the media and uninformed masses seem to think.[/quote]

I think a lot of people are naive or like to make themselves feel better by not realizing how good pros really are. Their abilities are insane. Go train or practice with some pros for a couple days. It’s disgusting how good they are.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]spk wrote:
bauber, so the highest you ever got was high school baseball… an you were an average hitter at best. then you stopped baseball for years and took gear. now you cant hit. sounds to me like you were a below average baseball player and your skills hitting a baseball dropped big time…

its a proven fact that the drugs baseball players take, make them bigger stronger and faster with better reaction time too.

dont try and kid yourself cause you couldnt hit, that the drugs dont help…

dumb comment…[/quote]

So why didn’t they make me better? If they increase my reaction time and give me subsuperhuman powers? It could also be that swinging a bat at my size is also a bit cumbersome. You are a typical media watching drone. Stop watching the news for your information about steroids from people who can think passed reading a screen.

Show us one proven trial where they increase reaction time. Because if that is the case my reaction time should be close to that of a god. I should be able to catch arrows and jump out of the way of bullets.[/quote]

What about amphetamines? I’ve never done research on them but came across anecdotes about increasing reaction time. Big leagues use that?

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Lol at all the ppl that say “you signed a contract!”, esp those that seem to be roid neutral.
You’re telling me I can not only increase my salary in the tens or hundreds of millions in just a few years if my talent and genetics got me to the pros, if I get a little assistance?
So the company/business I’m working under will reward me if they are too lazy to implement a thorough drug test that will result in them spending millions of dollars… You tell me what I should do.

Said companies have had this problem for several decades now, and still invests in those that are smart enough to get through their loops. Damn, this sounds like legit politics more and more, haha, smile to your face and lie behind the ppls’ backs. IT’S ALL GOOD IF NO ONE GETS CAUGHT, and everyone is happy.

I would take the millions over years, even if there was a chance I could get caught. The money, the legacy, the lifestyle. Fuck all the haters after it’s said and done.
A good example is Lance. He won the Tour more times than —all the other people who were doping and not good enough to beat him— Can you imagine how that feels? At the end of the day, I know my competition doped, regardless of the %, and I still worked harder and whooped their ass… 7 times.

Also, at the end of the day, I know that the normal population can’t handle all of what happened, and that would suck to let them down (through their own ignorance, unfortunately). Still, I would know it to be true that my competitors cheated, and I still won. They have this floatin around in their head, too. For those fans out there that know cycling’s or any other sports drug background, you are the ones who know the true winner.

Think of all the most famous ppl in the sports that got caught and try to see how life is now for them. Even for the “unlucky ones”, like Barry Bonds, he’s going to be on house arrest in his $25 mil home, with Denzel living next to him haha.

I’m going to cross my fingers behind my back as I sign a stupid contract like that.

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[quote]VTTrainer wrote:
Lol at all the ppl that say “you signed a contract!”, esp those that seem to be roid neutral.
You’re telling me I can not only increase my salary in the tens or hundreds of millions in just a few years if my talent and genetics got me to the pros, if I get a little assistance?
So the company/business I’m working under will reward me if they are too lazy to implement a thorough drug test that will result in them spending millions of dollars… You tell me what I should do.

Said companies have had this problem for several decades now, and still invests in those that are smart enough to get through their loops. Damn, this sounds like legit politics more and more, haha, smile to your face and lie behind the ppls’ backs. IT’S ALL GOOD IF NO ONE GETS CAUGHT, and everyone is happy.

I would take the millions over years, even if there was a chance I could get caught. The money, the legacy, the lifestyle. Fuck all the haters after it’s said and done.
A good example is Lance. He won the Tour more times than —all the other people who were doping and not good enough to beat him— Can you imagine how that feels? At the end of the day, I know my competition doped, regardless of the %, and I still worked harder and whooped their ass… 7 times.

Also, at the end of the day, I know that the normal population can’t handle all of what happened, and that would suck to let them down (through their own ignorance, unfortunately). Still, I would know it to be true that my competitors cheated, and I still won. They have this floatin around in their head, too. For those fans out there that know cycling’s or any other sports drug background, you are the ones who know the true winner.

Think of all the most famous ppl in the sports that got caught and try to see how life is now for them. Even for the “unlucky ones”, like Barry Bonds, he’s going to be on house arrest in his $25 mil home, with Denzel living next to him haha.

I’m going to cross my fingers behind my back as I sign a stupid contract like that.[/quote]

Yes, lance beat a ton of dopers. BUT he also beat some clean guys. And certainly he beat a bunch of guys that didn’t have the resources to do the types of doping he did.

So basically, he beat a substantially narrowed talent pool. Not a real champ.

Lance especially, but others like bonds too, are still miserable pieces of trash. It just makes them miserable pieces of trash with money.

I’d rather not be a miserable piece of trash and not have the money.

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[quote]VTTrainer wrote:
Lol at all the ppl that say “you signed a contract!”, esp those that seem to be roid neutral.
You’re telling me I can not only increase my salary in the tens or hundreds of millions in just a few years if my talent and genetics got me to the pros, if I get a little assistance?
So the company/business I’m working under will reward me if they are too lazy to implement a thorough drug test that will result in them spending millions of dollars… You tell me what I should do.

Said companies have had this problem for several decades now, and still invests in those that are smart enough to get through their loops. Damn, this sounds like legit politics more and more, haha, smile to your face and lie behind the ppls’ backs. IT’S ALL GOOD IF NO ONE GETS CAUGHT, and everyone is happy.

I would take the millions over years, even if there was a chance I could get caught. The money, the legacy, the lifestyle. Fuck all the haters after it’s said and done.
A good example is Lance. He won the Tour more times than —all the other people who were doping and not good enough to beat him— Can you imagine how that feels? At the end of the day, I know my competition doped, regardless of the %, and I still worked harder and whooped their ass… 7 times.

Also, at the end of the day, I know that the normal population can’t handle all of what happened, and that would suck to let them down (through their own ignorance, unfortunately). Still, I would know it to be true that my competitors cheated, and I still won. They have this floatin around in their head, too. For those fans out there that know cycling’s or any other sports drug background, you are the ones who know the true winner.

Think of all the most famous ppl in the sports that got caught and try to see how life is now for them. Even for the “unlucky ones”, like Barry Bonds, he’s going to be on house arrest in his $25 mil home, with Denzel living next to him haha.

I’m going to cross my fingers behind my back as I sign a stupid contract like that.[/quote]

That’s why it should be a life time ban if caught then you would lose it all as you should if you cheat, not to mention break the law. If steroids were legal any major sports league would have no problems accepting them. They already condone it by giving pussy ass fines and short suspensions. A life time ban would show a serious commitment to ending it but thats’s not what they want.

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I can’t totally justify it but I have a strong distaste for steroids in sports like track and field, weightlifting and most of the events in the olympics but I am not bothered at all in pro team sports like hockey players, football players or baseball etc.

I think I see the pro team sports to be more intelligent and strategic and pure strength, power and speed isn’t going to win the game.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
I can’t totally justify it but I have a strong distaste for steroids in sports like track and field, weightlifting and most of the events in the olympics but I am not bothered at all in pro team sports like hockey players, football players or baseball etc.

I think I see the pro team sports to be more intelligent and strategic and pure strength, power and speed isn’t going to win the game.[/quote]

Very true about sport specific intelligence. I can speak to only to hockey but see and umderstnd the game as it unfolds and being able to react to it, is a skill many overlook and it is extremely important

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Anyone following the world athletic champs in Moscow? These pasty Russian girls just won the 4x400…
http://www.thestar.com.my/Sport/Other-Sport/2013/08/18/Russia-outrun-US-to-take-womens-4x400-relay.aspx

With the exception of the 'States they finished way ahead of most of the field including the british team that has the individual world champion Christine Ohuruogu and is mainly made up of athletes of Nigerian and Jamaican descent.

Russia also top of the overall medals table. Maybe its home advantage but smells a bit fishy to me.

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I think its pretty naive to make a generalization that all pro player on are PEDS. Are there some yes, are there some that beat it yes. But to think that the pro leagues are not working to “battle” this really do not understand drug testing.

This is random testing, you have CBA’s that by contract determine how much and when you test. Do a little research before you make blank statements in this regard.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I think its pretty naive to make a generalization that all pro player on are PEDS. Are there some yes, are there some that beat it yes. But to think that the pro leagues are not working to “battle” this really do not understand drug testing.

This is random testing, you have CBA’s that by contract determine how much and when you test. Do a little research before you make blank statements in this regard. [/quote]

If you got caught smoking weed or doing meth at your job would your company suspend you or fire you? All I am saying is if a company or sports organization was serious about it the player would be fired or banned no exceptions. That’s the way it works at any other job. It’s all about the money not the morality.

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[quote]spk wrote:
bauber, so the highest you ever got was high school baseball… an you were an average hitter at best. then you stopped baseball for years and took gear. now you cant hit. sounds to me like you were a below average baseball player and your skills hitting a baseball dropped big time…

its a proven fact that the drugs baseball players take, make them bigger stronger and faster with better reaction time too.

dont try and kid yourself cause you couldnt hit, that the drugs dont help…

dumb comment…[/quote]

Source your claim for reaction time or recind it please.

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[quote]sonnyp wrote:
http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/category/steroids/

An interesting read. This guy admits unlike some of the posters on this thread that AAS does assist athletes in hitting for power, but shows other possible causes for the homerun spike of the 90’s.[/quote]

I don’t think anyone here at all has disputed the claim that steroids increase your power output. You need to reread the posts I think. I certainly don’t dispute it.

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Interesting fact for everyone talking about the “purity of the game”–at the turn of the century (the other one, 1800s-1900s) both competitive cyclists and baseball players were using performance enhancers. Cyclists, and some ball players, were using bleeding STRYCHNINE solutions to enhance their performance. That’s right, the poison. In extremely controlled doses it could achieve enhanced endurance and neural firing rates. Also, death. Kind of a big side effect for fucking up your dosage.

But they were doing it anyway. Over a hundred years ago.

Also cocaine. Also amphetamines. Both of which have a very pronounced effect on the nervous system (read reaction time and focus). This has been going on for over a hundred years, and it didn’t stop with making the drugs illegal.

No such thing as “purity of the sport” from a strictly chemical standpoint, at least for the last hundred years or so.

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[quote]TomFoolery wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I think its pretty naive to make a generalization that all pro player on are PEDS. Are there some yes, are there some that beat it yes. But to think that the pro leagues are not working to “battle” this really do not understand drug testing.

This is random testing, you have CBA’s that by contract determine how much and when you test. Do a little research before you make blank statements in this regard. [/quote]

If you got caught smoking weed or doing meth at your job would your company suspend you or fire you? All I am saying is if a company or sports organization was serious about it the player would be fired or banned no exceptions. That’s the way it works at any other job. It’s all about the money not the morality.[/quote]

This I one hundred percent agree with you about. They aren’t really serious, but they do want to grandstand. I do think that might be a better deterrent; people aren’t overly concerned about their health when it comes to elite sports especially if it means more money or better endorsements. They do have a funny need to play and have a legacy of sorts though…take that away from them and you will likely see a lot of people stop using if they know that they fuck up once and they will never be allowed to compete again in their life time…that they essentially worked their whole life to get fucked in the end because they got greedy.

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[quote]TomFoolery wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I think its pretty naive to make a generalization that all pro player on are PEDS. Are there some yes, are there some that beat it yes. But to think that the pro leagues are not working to “battle” this really do not understand drug testing.

This is random testing, you have CBA’s that by contract determine how much and when you test. Do a little research before you make blank statements in this regard. [/quote]

If you got caught smoking weed or doing meth at your job would your company suspend you or fire you? All I am saying is if a company or sports organization was serious about it the player would be fired or banned no exceptions. That’s the way it works at any other job. It’s all about the money not the morality.[/quote]

You forget this is a union job. A lot of companies have policies in place about substance abuse and rehab. Sorry not everyone is fired.

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What about Cops, and or Soldiers, do we want to have them juiced to protect us better. The small town I’m in, a large percentage of the cops are on some sort of gear. I would assume the same would be true with soldiers, but don’t know for sure. Just sayin

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Anyone see Arod getting the treatment last night. Fuck em!!! If he won’t own up to cheating he deserves it. I wuldn’t care if he admitted to it like Mcguire and everyone who has admitted to it. One thing to do it its another to lie about it.

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[quote]Jlabs wrote:
Anyone see Arod getting the treatment last night. Fuck em!!! If he won’t own up to cheating he deserves it. I wuldn’t care if he admitted to it like Mcguire and everyone who has admitted to it. One thing to do it its another to lie about it.[/quote]

Lol what? Dude EVERYONE denied it at first. Do you remember the hearings on capitol hill? Every athlete that was sitting there was denying it, fucking sosa pretended he couldn’t speak english so he didn’t have to answer the questions.

People act like this is a hand in the cookie jar situation. As in this was a one time “I stuck a needle in my ass and got caught” experience. They forget to realize that this has been happening (most likely) over an athletes entire career. It’s embedded in them to lie about it.

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
What about Cops, and or Soldiers, do we want to have them juiced to protect us better. The small town I’m in, a large percentage of the cops are on some sort of gear. I would assume the same would be true with soldiers, but don’t know for sure. Just sayin[/quote]

I’m not going back to find this but could you tell me the correlation here? Are you saying that if we accept professional athletes to take a substance that that substance should be readily available the masses?

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I didn’t mean to derail, just thinkin out loud. it’s just so wide spread, and a few outstanding athletes seem to be catching the flack for it. I see all kinds of 16-24yr kids doin juice, I see actors blowin up, and in my own town I see alot of the cops on juice, I also know alot of track athletes, and hockey players using.

Nobody seems to care, BUT when it’s someone acomplishing somthing great, we seem to want to tear them down. So it’s ok to do juice as long as you don’t excel, and make me feel bad about myself. It doesn’t seem like the athletes problem so much to me, but a society that feels inadiquit, and wants to justify. “Of coarse he’s that great, he’s on juice, I could be that great if I wanted, but I don’t cheat, there fore I’m better than him” This was the point I was trying to make, bringing up cops, and soldiers, so in my mind it’s all relative. Some people will acomplish great things, and some people will try to justify, by tearing them down, such is life.