[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I didn’t mean to derail, just thinkin out loud. it’s just so wide spread, and a few outstanding athletes seem to be catching the flack for it. I see all kinds of 16-24yr kids doin juice, I see actors blowin up, and in my own town I see alot of the cops on juice, I also know alot of track athletes, and hockey players using.
Nobody seems to care, BUT when it’s someone acomplishing somthing great, we seem to want to tear them down. So it’s ok to do juice as long as you don’t excel, and make me feel bad about myself. It doesn’t seem like the athletes problem so much to me, but a society that feels inadiquit, and wants to justify. “Of coarse he’s that great, he’s on juice, I could be that great if I wanted, but I don’t cheat, there fore I’m better than him” This was the point I was trying to make, bringing up cops, and soldiers, so in my mind it’s all relative. Some people will acomplish great things, and some people will try to justify, by tearing them down, such is life.[/quote]
I agree with every word of this.
Yes, in my opinion, it really comes down to feelings of inadequacy. If you make that guy feel smaller or weaker, they lash out. You see it a lot in every day life.
“If I took steroids I could be that big orfast too”.
Uh, yeah.
I don’t feel that it’s about inadequacy. People want to watch sports to see people to amazing things. These guys are the best of the best, if they weren’t they wouldn’t be pro. The morality is the issue. If you are a high profile athlete and you tell everyone that you aren’t doing steroids and someone finds out you are you better be prepared to be called out as you should. You are now a liar and cheater and it takes everything away from your accomplishments because if you were really that good to begin with why would you need to take steroids?
[quote]TomFoolery wrote:
I don’t feel that it’s about inadequacy. People want to watch sports to see people to amazing things. These guys are the best of the best, if they weren’t they wouldn’t be pro. The morality is the issue. If you are a high profile athlete and you tell everyone that you aren’t doing steroids and someone finds out you are you better be prepared to be called out as you should. You are now a liar and cheater and it takes everything away from your accomplishments because if you were really that good to begin with why would you need to take steroids?[/quote]
Yeah, that would make sense if the world actually worked that black and white.
The truth is that steroids are a part of sports…and more than anything, trying to hold back human progression because of what is current “morality” (mind you, it is only about morality because Bush Sr made them a schedule III drug) will limit all human progression.
I don’t expect people to be able to see this outside of immediate emotion…but seriously, 200 years from now, will the issue be as “moral” as you think it is now?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TomFoolery wrote:
I don’t feel that it’s about inadequacy. People want to watch sports to see people to amazing things. These guys are the best of the best, if they weren’t they wouldn’t be pro. The morality is the issue. If you are a high profile athlete and you tell everyone that you aren’t doing steroids and someone finds out you are you better be prepared to be called out as you should. You are now a liar and cheater and it takes everything away from your accomplishments because if you were really that good to begin with why would you need to take steroids?[/quote]
Yeah, that would make sense if the world actually worked that black and white.
The truth is that steroids are a part of sports…and more than anything, trying to hold back human progression because of what is current “morality” (mind you, it is only about morality because Bush Sr made them a schedule III drug) will limit all human progression.
I don’t expect people to be able to see this outside of immediate emotion…but seriously, 200 years from now, will the issue be as “moral” as you think it is now?[/quote]
I think lying and cheating 200 years from now will still be considered immoral. As far as steroid use goes, I would love to see the day they become legal. I wish that sports organizations would use their money to lobby and help change public opinion about steroids. I would love for them to teach people the common misconceptions about steroid use and safety instead of lying about being against them. You can drink, smoke, and in some states smoke weed, but the one drug that can make you healthier is illegal, it doesn’t make sense to me.
As I said before I’m not against steroids but I think that it’s dumb for people to say that these athletes would be as great as they are without them. I also think that sports organizations put up a front, if they were serious about ending steroids in sports they very well could or have a dramatic impact.
[quote]TomFoolery wrote:
I think lying and cheating 200 years from now will still be considered immoral.[/quote]
This is like when they made alcohol illegal.
All of those people who still drank were just simple “liars and cheaters” huh?
It didn’t possibly mean the laws needed to be changed?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TomFoolery wrote:
I think lying and cheating 200 years from now will still be considered immoral.[/quote]
This is like when they made alcohol illegal.
All of those people who still drank were just simple “liars and cheaters” huh?
It didn’t possibly mean the laws needed to be changed?
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They were liars if they told people that they didn’t drink not only that you could go to jail for getting caught. I’m not sure drinking is a sport so I’m not following the logic here, there are no rules it’s not a competition.
We as a society get to determine whether a law gets changed or not and as I said I fully agree with you that the law should be changed but as it stands now it is not. This means that if you get caught you are cheating and if you lie about it you are a liar. We are not talking about 200 years from now, we are talking about the here and now.
[quote]TomFoolery wrote:
We are not talking about 200 years from now, we are talking about the here and now.
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And in the here and now, you have steroids classified with COCAINE. That is illogical.
I think 200 years from now they will look back on us and call us blind.