I did not see this one coming.
I’m wondering what, if any, fallout will be for this. Hell, I wouldn’t rule out congress using this to get more involved in sports.
I dont know what it is but when I see Landis I want to punch him in the face.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
I dont know what it is but when I see Landis I want to punch him in the face.[/quote]
I find it odd that out of the blue after we all forgot about him he comes out with these admissions and apparently implicates all US cycling. Conscience or spotlight?
[quote]DJHT wrote:
I dont know what it is but when I see Landis I want to punch him in the face.[/quote]
It’s because his name is Floyd
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
I dont know what it is but when I see Landis I want to punch him in the face.[/quote]
I find it odd that out of the blue after we all forgot about him he comes out with these addition and apparently implicates all US cycling. Conscience or spotlight?[/quote]
I dont know something about that guy screams attention whore. “Oh I am not as good as Lance so I will make up shit or bring shit out of the closet”. Again the guy probably weighs about a buck fifty who really gives a shit what he used. He can barely lift his fucking bike out the back of a pick up truck.
I find it all fascinating. There’s something about this that just makes me want to root against everyone. The dope-testers are self-serving and narrow-minded.
Landis didnt just deny it, he LOUDLY proclaimed his innocence for a long, long time (potentially discrediting future legit false-positives who contest their results) - shoulda just taken his punishment.
Furthermore, there’s something viscerally distasteful about someone who turns on former friends, apparently without any provocation. Finally, there’s armstrong. I dont know whether it’s his sanctimonious attitude, or that he so willingly participated in the building up of this fairy tale that if you drink your milk and take your vitamins, you can ride to victory, even if you only have one ball. I’d like to see him caught.
What’s odd about that is that I believe that at their highest levels competitive sports are never healthy, and that the adults who compete in them should be allowed to put in their bodies what they want. Still though, I’m enjoying this, something about the chaos that immediately ensues, I love it.
Ugh, great.
Time to stop watching ESPN for a few weeks.
I am pretty uneducated on PED use. What the hell do cyclists use that helps them bike for hundreds of miles a day better? I just don’t understand what drugs can give a cyclist some unfair advantage over his competition. Again, I am not familiar with PEDs of any kind, but I am assuming whatever drugs the endurance guys use is much different than say, strength athletes.
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
I am pretty uneducated on PED use. What the hell do cyclists use that helps them bike for hundreds of miles a day better? I just don’t understand what drugs can give a cyclist some unfair advantage over his competition. Again, I am not familiar with PEDs of any kind, but I am assuming whatever drugs the endurance guys use is much different than say, strength athletes.[/quote]
As far as I know:
Test (or other anabolic steroids) to recover muscle day to day on long tours.
EPO to boost red blood cells and increase oxygen delivery.
And blood transfusions to increase the amount of blood in ones body above the normal level and increase oxygen delivery.
apparently lance armstrong was the first person he named in the letter, although its not being reported at all yet (hes americas hero, livestrong and all that).
its going to be funny if he is implicated for doping and all those people that wore the livestrong armbands are going to look silly for promoting a cheater for so long.
[quote]clockworkchad wrote:
apparently lance armstrong was the first person he named in the letter, although its not being reported at all yet (hes americas hero, livestrong and all that).
its going to be funny if he is implicated for doping and all those people that wore the livestrong armbands are going to look silly for promoting a cheater for so long. [/quote]
I agree with what you are saying however how are they proving something he did many years ago. It is not like the testimony of Lanis is justification enough that Armstrong did do it. Landis really comes off as a big prick.
[quote]clockworkchad wrote:
apparently lance armstrong was the first person he named in the letter, although its not being reported at all yet (hes americas hero, livestrong and all that). [/quote]
It’s in the 3rd sentence of the ESPN story:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
I am pretty uneducated on PED use. What the hell do cyclists use that helps them bike for hundreds of miles a day better? I just don’t understand what drugs can give a cyclist some unfair advantage over his competition. Again, I am not familiar with PEDs of any kind, but I am assuming whatever drugs the endurance guys use is much different than say, strength athletes.[/quote]
As far as I know:
Test (or other anabolic steroids) to recover muscle day to day on long tours.
EPO to boost red blood cells and increase oxygen delivery.
And blood transfusions to increase the amount of blood in ones body above the normal level and increase oxygen delivery.[/quote]
In addition, he also used HGH, ‘feminine hormones’ (hCG?) and ‘a one-time experiment with insulin.’ I’ve actually heard marathoners do this as well, helps them store glycogen for fuel
From a review on Amazon of Floyd’s book, ‘Positively False:’
[quote]Let me explain what I think happened. And this is an opinion here that may not be a review of the book but something for you to consider when reading it. My opinion comes from many years of studying cycling, and having been a racer myself at one point, and following Floyd’s case closely. It is my belief that Floyd doped during that 2006 Tour de France. But I believe he wasn’t doping that much more than anyone else, and subsequent positive tests from the rider who finished 3rd that year, and the rider who won the king of the mountains competition, among others, cements this. The rider that won the Giro that year doped, the rider that won the Vuelta that year doped. The rider that won the Tour of Suisse that year doped. I believe Floyd’s entire team may have been doping, along with the majority of other contenders. It’s the ugly side of the sport.
Did Floyd win the 2006 Tour because he doped? Partly. But that wasn’t the only reason. Floyd rode a smart tactical race, and showed a tremendous amount of grit and a brilliant strategy on the key stage where he sealed victory (Stage 17) and he talks about it in the book. He had riders out in front of him to act as a carrot, he attacked early, the weather was to his liking (hot!) and he kept himself well hydrated and drenched in water. The other contenders waited too long to chase and could be seen bickering with each other. Floyd also descends extremely well, and a solo rider can go downhill faster than a group. Floyd rode a gutsy, brilliant ride that day, one that would make Eddy Merckx and Bernard Hinault proud.[/quote]
it gives me hope that there are indeed reasonable, free-thinking individuals among the general public
Good thing for performance enhancing drugs, if he stays healthy and normal looking people will see that it’s not always all the negative effects that they blast all the time. It also shows how really widespread the use is among champions. It’s not fair to elite losers who have to chose between the moral values or being able to compete.
“I did what I did because that’s what we [cyclists] did and it was a choice I had to make after 10 years or 12 years of hard work to get there, and that was a decision I had to make to make the next step.” That really shouldn’t be a tragic decision in a sports when actual use is so widespread.
[quote]SSC wrote:
Ugh, great.
Time to stop watching ESPN for a few weeks.[/quote]
crap, there goes my espn radio.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]SSC wrote:
Ugh, great.
Time to stop watching ESPN for a few weeks.[/quote]
crap, there goes my espn radio.[/quote]
Serius Sat NFL channel 124. All I listen to in the car.
Good thing for performance enhancing drugs, if he stays healthy and normal looking people will see that it’s not always all the negative effects that they blast all the time. It also shows how really widespread the use is among champions. It’s not fair to elite losers who have to chose between the moral values or being able to compete.
“I did what I did because that’s what we [cyclists] did and it was a choice I had to make after 10 years or 12 years of hard work to get there, and that was a decision I had to make to make the next step.” That really shouldn’t be a tragic decision in a sports when actual use is so widespread.
Landis vehemently denied his use of PED for 2 years, now he admits it. This makes him a liar and a hypocrite. Turning in your fellow athletes makes him a rat. Going public with it all makes him a dope. Selling his story to the media makes him a celebrity and puts some money in his pocket. Nice.
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Landis vehemently denied his use of PED for 2 years, now he admits it. This makes him a liar and a hypocrite. Turning in your fellow athletes makes him a rat. Going public with it all makes him a dope. Selling his story to the media makes him a celebrity and puts some money in his pocket. Nice.[/quote]
With that track record, he should go into politics.