[quote]spk wrote:
and its any and every sport. people say if you cant hit a basebal now taking drugs wont matter then… you’re bigger and stronger, but still cant hit a baseball… bull shit!! drugs also make the reaction time way better… it be so nice to see exactly how good the best athletes are in all sports WITHOUT drugs… arnold wouldnt have been as big and ripped. lance wouldnt have been so fast day in and day out. carl lewis wouldnt have been so fast… nfl linebackers wouldnt be 250# and a 4.7 in the 40… etc.etc.etc… and maybe none of the 3 above mentioned athletes would have even been at the top if they competed clean… remember drugs help some a few % and some a lot %…maybe on god given tallent alone arnold would have only made mr usa. maybe lance just a division 2 pro…etc… nobody will ever know how good athletes are clean, cause none , in any sport are anymore…[/quote]
I played baseball for years all through high school. I was an average hitter. Guess what after years of gear I went to the cages and couldn’t hit shit. There goes your theory.
And guess what? The playing field being 100% clean those who are at the top now would still be at the top. Drugs are not magic. They are not genetics or ability in a bottle.
If steroids are illegal and against the rules in a league and you get caught it should be a life time ban. I have nothing against steroids but a rule is a rule and if you enter a commitment and a career where you know the rules and you get caught cheating you are done it is as simple as that. If it was a life time ban and all of a persons hard work and life long goals got shattered by this decision I doubt they would make the decision lightly.
[quote]spk wrote:
and its any and every sport. people say if you cant hit a basebal now taking drugs wont matter then… you’re bigger and stronger, but still cant hit a baseball… bull shit!! drugs also make the reaction time way better… it be so nice to see exactly how good the best athletes are in all sports WITHOUT drugs… arnold wouldnt have been as big and ripped. lance wouldnt have been so fast day in and day out. carl lewis wouldnt have been so fast… nfl linebackers wouldnt be 250# and a 4.7 in the 40… etc.etc.etc… and maybe none of the 3 above mentioned athletes would have even been at the top if they competed clean… remember drugs help some a few % and some a lot %…maybe on god given tallent alone arnold would have only made mr usa. maybe lance just a division 2 pro…etc… nobody will ever know how good athletes are clean, cause none , in any sport are anymore…[/quote]
I played baseball for years all through high school. I was an average hitter. Guess what after years of gear I went to the cages and couldn’t hit shit. There goes your theory.
And guess what? The playing field being 100% clean those who are at the top now would still be at the top. Drugs are not magic. They are not genetics or ability in a bottle.
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If you can hit a ball you are good. If you can hit a ball harder you are great. Do you think steroids can make that difference?
[quote]rupe8 wrote:
really sen say??? gay??? Bet you were some kind of dork with no coordination, or thought soccer or karate was cool. What a bitch!!!
and yes I played pro ball, and am bigger than you so don’t try to pop off somethin stupid[/quote]
Who are you talking to with this post? Does not seem to fit this thread.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Josie Canseco told the truth and people completely forgot about him. I am with jbpick just tell the damn truth.
That being said it is stupid to believe that most of the records being broken in everything these days is solely because of better training and nutrition. PED usage is widespread in every top sport. I wish they would just make it legal and lift the ban and let them go nuts. Would be more exciting to watch imo.[/quote]
The problem is, isn’t just about everybody already on?
So hypothetically say they lift the ban and the general public comes to accept steroids as legitimate supplements. Meanwhile everyone expects the games to get much more exciting, but not much would actually change because the rule was always being broken anyway.
The fact is, its against current rules and ateast should be treated as so. The reason for doing it is performance and money combined with a high reward vs low risk factor. Say you up your stats and output to elite levels by taking them. This leads to you landing a mega contract. . Say 5 years…100 mill. Now lets say ya did get caught… missed a year and its pay. Was the 80 million worth it? Yup. Now you got paid and… can be clean for the remainder of the contract.
[quote]spk wrote:
and its any and every sport. people say if you cant hit a basebal now taking drugs wont matter then… you’re bigger and stronger, but still cant hit a baseball… bull shit!! drugs also make the reaction time way better… it be so nice to see exactly how good the best athletes are in all sports WITHOUT drugs… arnold wouldnt have been as big and ripped. lance wouldnt have been so fast day in and day out. carl lewis wouldnt have been so fast… nfl linebackers wouldnt be 250# and a 4.7 in the 40… etc.etc.etc… and maybe none of the 3 above mentioned athletes would have even been at the top if they competed clean… remember drugs help some a few % and some a lot %…maybe on god given tallent alone arnold would have only made mr usa. maybe lance just a division 2 pro…etc… nobody will ever know how good athletes are clean, cause none , in any sport are anymore…[/quote]
I played baseball for years all through high school. I was an average hitter. Guess what after years of gear I went to the cages and couldn’t hit shit. There goes your theory.
And guess what? The playing field being 100% clean those who are at the top now would still be at the top. Drugs are not magic. They are not genetics or ability in a bottle.
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^ absolutely true, but to the average joe - and especially the average gym goer -it’s a convenient excuse for why THEY aren’t athletic or big
Someone mentioned earlier here how it’s funny everyone is so opposed to PED’s yet there are buying every OTC “natural” growth hormone enhancer on the market and are totally cool with that.
A lot of it comes down to not knowing how to get / use gear … And the convenient excuse for not looking like they want to look after all their " effort" in the gym - “I’d look like that if I was on 'roids” bullshit
If you could get gear OTC, they couldn’t keep it in stock …
[quote]rupe8 wrote:
really sen say??? gay??? Bet you were some kind of dork with no coordination, or thought soccer or karate was cool. What a bitch!!!
and yes I played pro ball, and am bigger than you so don’t try to pop off somethin stupid[/quote]
Who are you talking to with this post? Does not seem to fit this thread. [/quote]
First page - SenSay posted baseball was boring and ghey
Boring I agree with, but hey only ghey thing here is the " I’m bigger than you" response, lol
If you can hit a ball you are good. If you can hit a ball harder you are great. Do you think steroids can make that difference?[/quote]
Yes. History proves that steroids elevated power numbers… a lot. You had multiple guys hitting 60 or more home runs per year in the late nineties. Now you have none. Fucking zero. Yeah steroids helped. Quite a bit. I do not think that is even debatable if you look at the numbers.
bauber, so the highest you ever got was high school baseball… an you were an average hitter at best. then you stopped baseball for years and took gear. now you cant hit. sounds to me like you were a below average baseball player and your skills hitting a baseball dropped big time…
its a proven fact that the drugs baseball players take, make them bigger stronger and faster with better reaction time too.
dont try and kid yourself cause you couldnt hit, that the drugs dont help…
[quote]spk wrote:
bauber, so the highest you ever got was high school baseball… an you were an average hitter at best. then you stopped baseball for years and took gear. now you cant hit. sounds to me like you were a below average baseball player and your skills hitting a baseball dropped big time…
its a proven fact that the drugs baseball players take, make them bigger stronger and faster with better reaction time too.
dont try and kid yourself cause you couldnt hit, that the drugs dont help…
dumb comment…[/quote]
Better reaction time plz show some studies to support that. I’ve never hear AAS making reaction time better
[quote]spk wrote:
bauber, so the highest you ever got was high school baseball… an you were an average hitter at best. then you stopped baseball for years and took gear. now you cant hit. sounds to me like you were a below average baseball player and your skills hitting a baseball dropped big time…
its a proven fact that the drugs baseball players take, make them bigger stronger and faster with better reaction time too.
dont try and kid yourself cause you couldnt hit, that the drugs dont help…
dumb comment…[/quote]
You seem very uneducated on the topic of AAS by parroting shit you heard other uneducated people say regarding AAS.
[quote]spk wrote:
bauber, so the highest you ever got was high school baseball… an you were an average hitter at best. then you stopped baseball for years and took gear. now you cant hit. sounds to me like you were a below average baseball player and your skills hitting a baseball dropped big time…
its a proven fact that the drugs baseball players take, make them bigger stronger and faster with better reaction time too.
dont try and kid yourself cause you couldnt hit, that the drugs dont help…
dumb comment…[/quote]
You seem very uneducated on the topic of AAS by parroting shit you heard other uneducated people say regarding AAS. [/quote]
[quote]DeadKong wrote:
A con argument I came across is that with contact sports (football, hockey, combat) is that if these athletes are hitting each other harder, they will injure each other more. Do PEDs harden the skull and make the brain less susceptible to trauma?[/quote]
The thing is though, this is just chucked out when the sporting bodies want to appeal to emotion, but they dont really care about fighters. There is still going to be a limit on how much force can be delivered at any given bodyweight. A l40lb man on steroids is not going to hit as hard as the same man at 220lbs.
If that were a concern, they would ban the practice of cutting weight, which gives athletes a far more tangible advantage, and allows guys to come into their fights potentially with as much as a 30lb weight advantage (sometimes more). There are some lightweights in the ufc that walk around at 200+ lbs.
Not to mention the abuse of diuretics to make weight. I dare say the constant dehydration process and then diuretics on top of it is more damaging to the health than steroids are, long term.
An interesting read. This guy admits unlike some of the posters on this thread that AAS does assist athletes in hitting for power, but shows other possible causes for the homerun spike of the 90’s.
An interesting read. This guy admits unlike some of the posters on this thread that AAS does assist athletes in hitting for power, but shows other possible causes for the homerun spike of the 90’s.[/quote]
Seeing some one say GH doesnt help makes me take what they have to say less seriously. GH will increase recovery allowing harder and more practice. It will increase injury recovery time and even prevent injuries because if enhanced recovery ability. That all seems like it helps IMO.
[quote]spk wrote:
and its any and every sport. people say if you cant hit a basebal now taking drugs wont matter then… you’re bigger and stronger, but still cant hit a baseball… bull shit!! drugs also make the reaction time way better… it be so nice to see exactly how good the best athletes are in all sports WITHOUT drugs… arnold wouldnt have been as big and ripped. lance wouldnt have been so fast day in and day out. carl lewis wouldnt have been so fast… nfl linebackers wouldnt be 250# and a 4.7 in the 40… etc.etc.etc… and maybe none of the 3 above mentioned athletes would have even been at the top if they competed clean… remember drugs help some a few % and some a lot %…maybe on god given tallent alone arnold would have only made mr usa. maybe lance just a division 2 pro…etc… nobody will ever know how good athletes are clean, cause none , in any sport are anymore…[/quote]
I played baseball for years all through high school. I was an average hitter. Guess what after years of gear I went to the cages and couldn’t hit shit. There goes your theory.
And guess what? The playing field being 100% clean those who are at the top now would still be at the top. Drugs are not magic. They are not genetics or ability in a bottle.
[/quote]
If you can hit a ball you are good. If you can hit a ball harder you are great. Do you think steroids can make that difference?[/quote]
Of course I believe they can do that. Because they obviously can add weight/ strength to you. So you are going to hit the ball harder.
[quote]spk wrote:
bauber, so the highest you ever got was high school baseball… an you were an average hitter at best. then you stopped baseball for years and took gear. now you cant hit. sounds to me like you were a below average baseball player and your skills hitting a baseball dropped big time…
its a proven fact that the drugs baseball players take, make them bigger stronger and faster with better reaction time too.
dont try and kid yourself cause you couldnt hit, that the drugs dont help…
dumb comment…[/quote]
So why didn’t they make me better? If they increase my reaction time and give me subsuperhuman powers? It could also be that swinging a bat at my size is also a bit cumbersome. You are a typical media watching drone. Stop watching the news for your information about steroids from people who can think passed reading a screen.
Show us one proven trial where they increase reaction time. Because if that is the case my reaction time should be close to that of a god. I should be able to catch arrows and jump out of the way of bullets.
An interesting read. This guy admits unlike some of the posters on this thread that AAS does assist athletes in hitting for power, but shows other possible causes for the homerun spike of the 90’s.[/quote]
Seeing some one say GH doesnt help makes me take what they have to say less seriously. GH will increase recovery allowing harder and more practice. It will increase injury recovery time and even prevent injuries because if enhanced recovery ability. That all seems like it helps IMO. [/quote]
Yeah, like leveling the mound off to take that advantage away from pitchers. I am sure that had nothing to do with the spike of homeruns.
AA’s will help with power, strength, recovery time, warding off injury, etc. BUT you just don’t take them and magically go from being an average player to a superstar. Which the media and uninformed masses seem to think.