[quote]TDO wrote:
So apparently you are all for cheating and not actually having ability, that’s awesome!! Why don’t we all just take a bunch of drugs an show kids that look up to us it is really worth it! Sounds great! Can’t wait to have tits and no balsa when I am a little older that’s so awesome gotta love these steroids!![/quote]
You can always buy balsa so that’s not too big of a deal. And steroids don’t give you gyno if you do it right. I’ve never used them, but that’s just common knowledge.
Steroids: Perfectly fine for 40+ year old men who want bigger arms, Absolutely forbidden for pro athletes who make a living off their performance
Seriously though, how is it okay for older men to take testosterone to boost their levels, and it’s seen as completely fine and safe?
But if an athlete wants to do that same thing, his balls are gonna shrivel up, he’ll get “roid rage”, and die an early death?
It’s my opinion that the vast majority of negative side effects caused by steroid use can be limited/eliminated if the user was using under the supervision of a medical doctor skilled in the area.
But most people that use steroids do it on their own, or with advice from other lifters, etc.
I can’t help but laugh at the people that say they wouldn’t take steroids. If they had the chance to take them like most pro athletes do, (under strict supervision) they wouldn’t hesitate.
I have no problem with athletes taking whatever they want to become whatever they can become. It’s nearly 100$ a ticket anyways, Ill be damned if I’m going the ball park spending 150$ minimum, only to watch a fucking boring ass 3 hit 1 run game.
[quote]sen say wrote:
I’m curious to see what those smarter than me on this issue have to say. I’m pretty sure I’ve read on here before that up until like the 1950s scientists were actually studying steroids for beneficial use not just in athletes, but for the general population. I’m all for it.
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Thats getting a little too close to a Brave New World status for my liking.
Just recently in Australia, it has been revealed that an AFL(Australian rules football) team had been injecting a anti-obesity drug, which is believed to possibly increase fat loss and muscle gain. The team involved are saying they are not guilty as the drug had not been scientifically proven to have these positive effects. The drug also has not been approved for human use and hence is directly on the banned list.
The guys at the head of the AFL have gone into damage control and doing everything they can do to protect the reputation of their sport and playing the whole situation down, as they run the thing like a business and are very conscious about the reputation of the sport. While these people are the first to condemn the “evil chinese swimmers” or those “foreign cheating cyclists”, however they are finding it difficult to deal with the problem in their own backyard.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
That being said it is stupid to believe that most of the records being broken in everything these days is solely because of better training and nutrition.[/quote]
Cal Ripken’s consecutive 2,632 game streak; Never will be touched. Joe DiMaggio 56 consecutive hit streak will stand for a long, long time. The media gets excited when someone is at 30!
My biggest problem is with people’s lack of integrity. When you sign on to play MLB, NFL, NBA,… You are “agreeing” to abide by the set rules. That includes not using PEDs. Whether steroids are good, bad, helpful, beneficial…should be irrelevant because someone with integrity would stand by their commitment. Unfortunately, our society as a whole does not value integrity.
As a high school coach, we love to say that athletics helps to build discipline, integrity, and a whole list of other great values. Unfortunately, as I grow older, I am less inclined to believe that that is true. It doesn’t help seeing multiple professional athletes show zero integrity and zero remorse when caught. This thread further reinforces that as a society our values are based solely on what benefits me. “I want to see” 600 ft home runs, more exciting games,… “I would do it if I could get a 100 million contract.” No integrity! Do what you say and say what you do, that’s all I want.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
That being said it is stupid to believe that most of the records being broken in everything these days is solely because of better training and nutrition.[/quote]
Cal Ripken’s consecutive 2,632 game streak; Never will be touched. Joe DiMaggio 56 consecutive hit streak will stand for a long, long time. The media gets excited when someone is at 30![/quote]
All pro-sport players have a ton of pressure on them all the time. MLBers are talked about as being washed up at age 35. Get to age 38-40 and you may as well be in a nursing home.
I think that they should identify a finite number of things like test boosters and other supplements that are legal and OTC in any nutrition type store, let them have that.
The one thing they don’t want to do is line up all the players for a Monday morning piss test every week. Think of all the false-positives they’d get from cold medicines, nose sprays, etc. 1/2 of every team’s roster could be going to banned-camp.
Other sports I don’t know but NFL, I think it’s completely unfair to ask those guys to damage their bodies without some super enhanced form of recovery. I’m 200lbs and can’t imagine getting hit by a 6’7 285 lb guy who runs a 4.8, getting up and doing it again.
There will always be cheaters. If you get caught you should pay the consequences, and I hate when people act like they didn’t take shit back in 1950’s. That’s stupid, whether alcohol, cocaine, or steroids, the elite always look for an edge and will take risk if it helps. I say let records stand, and anyone who gets caught just get’s suspended according to the rules.
Baseball is a sport of genetic skills, acquired skills and muscle memory. Steroids without skill amounts to nothing. Combine steroids with skills that are already there and you get enhanced and prolonged performance. Barry Bonds is a prime example. You can look back on video and photos throughout his career and ballpark the point when he started using.
He had the skills before he started using. The steroids just inflated his numbers and allowed him to perform at a very high level for a longer time. If you can’t hit a baseball, taking steroids is not going to change that. Barry Bonds was probably a HOF player without steroids, but he would not have broken the homerun records without them.
Baseball is a unique sport; it has been around before the 1900’s in an organized fashion. If someone is truly passionate about the game, they want to be able to compare the players of old to what is on the field now. PED’s skew these numbers.
I will say that baseball is hypocritical when wanting to clean up the game. They turned a blind eye during the homerun race in '98 with Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa, a race that revived MLB after the bitter 1995 strike by the players.
I was a level 5 dwarf in warcraft broo. Back off. Baseball is an americanized version of Cricket. As for steroids I think they should legalize it to a certain point that can be deemed healthy for the user to not have long lasting side effects and detrimental to their life after baseball. I don’t know how they would implement it nor do I think they would because the mlb as with any other huge corporate organizations are hypocritical when it comes to dealing with these issues. The game is better with it and they know it yet it is illegal so they act like it’s a big deal and the sentencing is always a slap on the wrist. I say legalize it and have it done in a controlled manner. Kids are going to grow up and be fucked as is everyone on the earth, no point of hiding reality from them.
Finally, baseball is ghey and boring as fuck.[/quote]
sen say,
Really? You are from Ireland are you not? Like a 1-0 soccer game is going to do it for me. Better yet, isn’t your 'National Sport" hurling? We have that here in the States, we just call it girls field hockey.
[quote]TDO wrote:
So apparently you are all for cheating and not actually having ability, that’s awesome!! Why don’t we all just take a bunch of drugs an show kids that look up to us it is really worth it! Sounds great! Can’t wait to have tits and no balsa when I am a little older that’s so awesome gotta love these steroids!![/quote]
Wow! You joined today to make this post!
I am super impressed with you! You should tell us who your other account is so we can congratulate him on originality, because no one in the history of the internet has ever done this!
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Finally, baseball is ghey and boring as fuck.[/quote]
sen say,
Really? You are from Ireland are you not? Like a 1-0 soccer game is going to do it for me. Better yet, isn’t your 'National Sport" hurling? We have that here in the States, we just call it girls field hockey. [/quote]
I have to agree that to me baseball is amazing boring. I respect the skill it takes to play it at a professional level. But damn you don’t even have to be in shape. I am too ADHD to watch even an inning
Finally, baseball is ghey and boring as fuck.[/quote]
sen say,
Really? You are from Ireland are you not? Like a 1-0 soccer game is going to do it for me. Better yet, isn’t your 'National Sport" hurling? We have that here in the States, we just call it girls field hockey. [/quote]
I have to agree that to me baseball is amazing boring. I respect the skill it takes to play it at a professional level. But damn you don’t even have to be in shape. I am too ADHD to watch even an inning [/quote]
Of course you have to be “in shape” to play baseball. I agree it takes less endurance than many other sports but it still requires speed, agility and strength. You cant say a baseball player is out of shape because he doesnt fit the model of a very aerobicly fit in shape person.
[quote]VolsFB wrote:
My biggest problem is with people’s lack of integrity. When you sign on to play MLB, NFL, NBA,… You are “agreeing” to abide by the set rules. That includes not using PEDs. Whether steroids are good, bad, helpful, beneficial…should be irrelevant because someone with integrity would stand by their commitment. Unfortunately, our society as a whole does not value integrity.
As a high school coach, we love to say that athletics helps to build discipline, integrity, and a whole list of other great values. Unfortunately, as I grow older, I am less inclined to believe that that is true. It doesn’t help seeing multiple professional athletes show zero integrity and zero remorse when caught. This thread further reinforces that as a society our values are based solely on what benefits me. “I want to see” 600 ft home runs, more exciting games,… “I would do it if I could get a 100 million contract.” No integrity! Do what you say and say what you do, that’s all I want.[/quote]
This is my big problem with PED use in sports. If it is against the stated rules of the game, you have no right to use them. It is cheating plain and simple. Players could roof the puck way better if the NHL allowed 1.5 inch curved blades but they don’t. Players could smack more homers with corked bats in MLB if they were allowed but they aren’t. Sportsmanship means a lot to me and it pisses me off when players have the arrogance to knowingly flaunt the rules for personal gain. Whether 1% or 100% of players use gear is completely irrelevant to me. Be a fucking man and play by the rules you agreed to play by. Have some damn integrity and some respect for the fans of the sport.
I was wondering what people’s thoughts were when it came to younger kids starting to use Steroids for sport. I mean, the pros taking steroids means more competition, meaning that the minor league players may take it. Then in order to get to the minors you have to take the roids, so people in college take it etc. etc. until you have people in their early teens contemplating it.
I mean, as a 15 year old, why not use it early to outperform peers, make better ball clubs and get better training?
