Hey guys,
I am new to this forum, but have been reading the posts for several months. I just wanted to say a huge thank you to those of you who helped put this thread together, the information has been most helpful.
I am 6’6" 270 18% bodyfat former D1 and Minor League baseball player here. After reading Bill’s articles, it makes sense to me that the goal of fat loss “is at cross-purposes with gaining muscle…” As my main goal at this point is fat loss, I have decided to follow his advice and divide my workouts/supplement regimen into fat loss and strength phases (the former being my first objective).
I feel I have a pretty solid calorie restrictive diet regimen in place, along with a solid workout plan (ie. minimal rest in between sets to keep an elevated HR throughout the workout). It seems that Primobolan would be the most effective choice for my goal of fat loss for the first phase. Due to the limitations of price and the high dosage needed, would a Primo only cycle be a wise choice for someone looking for fat loss alone, or would this be best achieved with a Tren/Primo or Winny/Primo stack?
Furthermore, which supplements have proven to be the most effective means at achieving maximum fat loss (ie. HOT-ROX, etc.)?
I am looking for an answer this involves another message board that was evidentilly shutdown and the few friends and SOURCES I had made on there are nowhere to be found but so far I think this one will take it’s place hands down, I haven’t made any friends yet but have just now started posting so just let me say keep up the great work T-Nation.
[quote]Spartan300 wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
Place the plastic sheathe back on the needle and discard the entire syringe.
I was in a Hospital recently and read a poster on the wall above a Sharps Container. It said DO NOT PUT CAP BACK ON NEEDLE. DISCARD STRAIGHT INTO SHARPS CONTAINER. I casually asked a Nurse about this and she said it was to prevent poking your finger when replacing the cap. just thought it was good to know especially if you are injecting someone else. but the key of course is to discard in a “Sharps Container”. You don’t want to throw an uncaped needle into regular waste.[/quote]
LOL…I inadvertently poked myself in the tip of my middle finger once doing just that; fucker turned purple almost immediately…was fine in a couple of days.
I know that you have heard it all before but this time it really took the cake. I mean what does it take? I have ordered 3 times in a month and a half and cost myself an arm and a leg and probably my lady. She thinks that I’m the most gullible sucker in the world and I can�??t tell her that I�??m not at this point.
So I have done as much research as I can and I have been ready to purchase my gear 3 times, all of them have been scammed. So I�??m going to start here at the ground floor and participate and meet some new people and do some more research. Thanks all and I look forward to reading your posts and gaining more knowledge on the subject.
I�??m 32 165 14% lifting 4 yrs.
Was looking at just Deca for my first cycle. 200mgs for the first week the 300 for the continuing 11. Nolva for PCT for a 3 week period. Thanks again for all your information.
[quote]PNW wrote:
I know that you have heard it all before but this time it really took the cake. I mean what does it take? I have ordered 3 times in a month and a half and cost myself an arm and a leg and probably my lady. She thinks that I’m the most gullible sucker in the world and I can�??t tell her that I�??m not at this point.
So I have done as much research as I can and I have been ready to purchase my gear 3 times, all of them have been scammed. So I�??m going to start here at the ground floor and participate and meet some new people and do some more research. Thanks all and I look forward to reading your posts and gaining more knowledge on the subject.
I�??m 32 165 14% lifting 4 yrs.
Was looking at just Deca for my first cycle. 200mgs for the first week the 300 for the continuing 11. Nolva for PCT for a 3 week period. Thanks again for all your information.
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No a good 1st cycle. You never want to run deca by itself especially your 1st cycle. It will shut you completely down, and if you didn’t lose your girl b/c you got scammed 3 times, you will sure lose her after a deca only cycle LOL.
Hi I am about to start my first cycle using only winstrol 100mg\week for 4 weeks.I wanted to know is winstrol suppressive and what PCT should i do for recovery.
This thread is quite informative. The outlines of the most common AAS helped a lot. This saved me from asking basic questions doomed to be flamed ! ha ha
I am new to this whole thing. Being that this link is so old, are the first few pages of this thread still consider the best places to learn about roids? I have read the “steriods for dummies” article, but I a just wondering is there a book out there that would be more imformative?
[quote]amitavitel wrote:
Hi I am about to start my first cycle using only winstrol 100mg\week for 4 weeks.I wanted to know is winstrol suppressive and what PCT should i do for recovery.[/quote]
Wether it’s injectable or oral, 100mg/week of winstrol will be useless. My first cycle was 20-30mg/day of oral winstrol (150 -210mg/week) for 6 weeks and it was useless. PCT? I planned on using Nolvadex but honestly I felt nothing so I didn’t bother. Eat 1 chicken breast 5 times per day for 4 weeks and you will get better results, without doing something illegal.
Any opinions on this would be great? Didn’t bother listing PCT b/c that’s a given and don’t need advice on that part.
Thanks to anyone who responds.[/quote]
You really need to go back and actually read this thread please before you proceed just on this one little piece of advice, which is your deca:test ratio s/b no greater than 3:5 You have too much deca in your current proposed cycle(s).
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
I am new to this whole thing. Being that this link is so old, are the first few pages of this thread still consider the best places to learn about roids? I have read the “steriods for dummies” article, but I a just wondering is there a book out there that would be more imformative?[/quote]
Yes, it’s very important that you copy the half lives on like page 1 or 2. Then you need to become familiar with the synopsis given for each drug on like pages 5 through however many pages (you’ll see). Then you need to understand the importance of knowing the half lives. Then you need to start reading up on the gear you intend to use by utilizing the search function.
Then you need to decide for yourself after reading all of the posts on all of the threads that you search what side you’re going to take when opinions come into play and then roll from there. You should find, if you’re intelligent, that this will end up taking a very long time but it will be driven by your thirst for knowledge and understanding, because for every rock you overturn, another question will arise sparking another search.
Or you can just stick a bunch of AAS in your body and see what happens; search “side effects” and read all those threads and you will see if the research is worth it…if you have a girlfriend she for one will be happy you did.
[quote]Butkus51 wrote:
amitavitel wrote:
Hi I am about to start my first cycle using only winstrol 100mg\week for 4 weeks.I wanted to know is winstrol suppressive and what PCT should i do for recovery.
Wether it’s injectable or oral, 100mg/week of winstrol will be useless. My first cycle was 20-30mg/day of oral winstrol (150 -210mg/week) for 6 weeks and it was useless. PCT? I planned on using Nolvadex but honestly I felt nothing so I didn’t bother. Eat 1 chicken breast 5 times per day for 4 weeks and you will get better results, without doing something illegal.[/quote]
LOL. He makes a great point. If you’re in this site you’ve got the tools right at your fingertips…use it!
When it comes to Winstrol there is a lot to know but most important is to keep the cycle duration to an 8 week max. I know you’re proposed cycle is 4 which fits the guidelines, but that’s probably just because you’ve got oh, I dunno…400mg of Winstrol? Am I right? You’ll need to run more but it’s contingent on your lbm, think about it, do you think that there may be a difference in dosage between a 250lb man and a guy weighing in at a buck thirty soaking wet? So, in the future post your stats if you want help.
A good starting point for winstrol would be 150mg injected E3D. Stan shouldn’t be your first run with AAS though. Don’t be afraid of Test newbies…if you can control your carb intake you can take test and not blow up. Research.