Orals Only Due to Skin Condition

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Hey everyone. I’ve done quite a bit of research but still haven’t come up with an answer. I have a skin condition that I can’t take needle due to a skin problem I have. I tried needle before and I brooze and get welts the size of a football. The doctors say is super skin sensitivity. They told me juice would not hurt the skin problem as long as I take it orally and not by injections. I want to do a 6week oral cycle consisting of Dbol, winstrol or anavar. Any ideas?

I’m 5’5" 180 lbs. I’ve been working out for14 years and i’m 29. I’ve completed in bodybuilding and power lifting throughout my 14 years training. I’ve done dbol before with great success and high and low dose (dbol alone) and have managed to hang on to about 50 to 75% of gains due to proper pct and diet and training afterwards. I can also get Turnabol 10mg. The anavar’s are quite expensive so they are available but they would be last choice due to price. Any other ideas on how to do test other than by injection?

I’m open to suggestion. Needles are just out of the question due to health reasons. All liver and pct protection will be purchased along with juice as soon as I get some good cycle ideas. I’ve looked over this site and many others and all I find is just people who knock oral only. Here is a challenge for all of them. I can’t under any circumstances take injections.

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Do a search on Anadrol/Winstrol cycles.

Also do a search on Class I and Class II oral steroids. Combining a class I and a class II will allow you to retain more of the gains you make compared to doing a cycle with only a class II (such as dianabol).

Doing searches on those two topics will lead you to a number of possible cycle options. When you come across one you are interested in post specific questions you may have.

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Whats the name of this skin condition?

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Ok thanks I’ll do some more research on those. You’ve been a big help so far.
The skin condition is from burns I sustained when I was younger. They just call it super skin sensitivity. I fell into a out door fire pit when I was 7 years old and got burned pretty bad. I had skin graphing done so you can’t notice unless you’re a few feet infront of me you can see the wringles on my face and some on my body(which made getting ripped for competitions quite a challenge)

It is not very good when I have to go to emergency or when I’m sick because they can’t give me needles or IV’s unless its life or death. Lots of pills and nasal medications. I’ve been lucky and only had to have one close call and they had to poke me a few times but that was good many of years ago. I hope this answers you question DOHCrazy.
ANyways thanks again for the help.

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Ok I’ll check them out thanks. I’ve heard that less size on anavar but what you can gain you can keep. So i’m leaning towards anavar and/or winstrol but I can get dbol dirt cheap so it’s hard to resist. I’ve done it in the past and put alot of size on in 6 weeks on a dbol only cycle but I did loose some of it not all of it .

The last time I did one I put on 14 lbs and kept the dose low (no higher than 35 mg) and kept 8 lbs. The time before that I did 50mg for 4 weeks and I put on 18 lbs and only still kept about 6 to 8 lbs. Anyways thanks for the tips.

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Sorry for the sorta double post. I tried a Fast Reply and it didn’t show up right away so I replyed again and low a behold my first one was there. Oh well some extra info for you about me.

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I have never done Dianabol and Anavar at the same time but if I were to I’d probably go with

Dbol 40mg/day
Anavar 40-50mg/day

Run that for 4 weeks

Then run a SERM for 2-4 weeks (not really sure about the optimal duration for a SERM in this case but I’d be inclined to go with 4 weeks)

I would then run the Dbol/Var for another 4 weeks. Followed by another PCT.

An AI will be needed control estrogen

A liver support supplement wouldn’t hurt either.

I chose those particular compounds because I have experience with them and because of the class I class II stuff. I have never used winstrol before.

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This is perhaps the strangest medical claim I’ve ever read.

By the way, the phrase “super skin sensitivity” appears nowhere in the abstracts or keywords of any medical journal indexed online, nor anything that can be found by Google Scholar, and the only usage on the entire web that can be found by Google is THIS THREAD.

While not questioning the author’s sincerity, I truly expect he can use an insulin needle for injection. The claim that medical personnel simply cannot give him an injection of any sort unless his life hangs in the balance is simply unheard-of.

A novel way of not getting criticized for insisting on oral-only, anyway.

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I have heard winni can be werse on the liver than dbol, Var and Anadrol, any idea if thats true. I just got a PM about Andriol (oral test) I’ve been looking around and alot of people who can’t do needles do it. I haven’t found any cycles people have used it with. It’s supposively only about half to three quarters as effective as injectable test and it has only a 2 or 3 hour life so you have to dose often throughout the day. It’s quite expensive but in my case I’m kinda limited. It’s fast acting and absorbed through the small intestine. It sounds kinda promising.

What do you think. In one of the Q & A’s with Dave Palumbo on his site someone asked him about it and he says it wouldn’t be as effective as injections but it should be more than sufficient for the recreaction user. I’m still looking for where to find it without going to one the online scammer sites. I’ve been screwed many times before online. Whats your experience with Anadrol? I’ve heard you loose fast when you come off it. Is it werth the health risk in your opinion?
Thanks for the help!!

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

A novel way of not getting criticized for insisting on oral-only, anyway.[/quote]

I didn’t do more than a quick search on google, but when nothing came up I just figured the doc didn’t give the full explanation.

I’m hoping the OP is sincere and with the backstory provided I’ll give the benefit of the doubt.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:

A novel way of not getting criticized for insisting on oral-only, anyway.

I didn’t do more than a quick search on google, but when nothing came up I just figured the doc didn’t give the full explanation.

I’m hoping the OP is sincere and with the backstory provided I’ll give the benefit of the doubt.

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I didn’t say they can’t give me IV’s or needles I did say (if you read back) that it has to be life or death. If I was dehyrated then that is life or death, if I have an allergy and needed an Epi-pen that is life or death. It’s not a disease (thank god)I’ve been burned (as you will read a few posts back) and I’ve had skill graphing done (hence why I won’t posts pics of myself) I’m pretty sensative about it. I won’t even workout at a gym because of the looks I get.

I workout at home. My skin is very thin and even if I get pricked enough to break the skin (in the areas graphed) which if you must know are my shoulders, upper chest and back and from my ass down to my shins (yes the front too) ouch!!! (I know what your gonna ask next). They take blood from the top of my foot because that is the least painful place to take it from.

ANYOTHER PERSON QUESTIONS THAT YOU’D LIKE TO KNOW OR SHOULD I JUST LEAVE NOW???

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[quote]gaudrtyl wrote:
I have heard winni can be werse on the liver than dbol, Var and Anadrol, any idea if thats true. I just got a PM about Andriol (oral test) I’ve been looking around and alot of people who can’t do needles do it. I haven’t found any cycles people have used it with. It’s supposively only about half to three quarters as effective as injectable test and it has only a 2 or 3 hour life so you have to dose often throughout the day. It’s quite expensive but in my case I’m kinda limited. It’s fast acting and absorbed through the small intestine. It sounds kinda promising. What do you think. In one of the Q & A’s with Dave Palumbo on his site someone asked him about it and he says it wouldn’t be as effective as injections but it should be more than sufficient for the recreaction user. I’m still looking for where to find it without going to one the online scammer sites. I’ve been screwed many times before online. Whats your experience with Anadrol? I’ve heard you loose fast when you come off it. Is it werth the health risk in your opinion?
Thanks for the help!![/quote]

I don’t know if winstrol is harder on the liver than dbol, anadrol, or anavar. You’d have to take into account the normal dosages of each drug, I think. On a milligram per milligram I’d say winstrol isn’t significantly worse than the other three.

I have no knowledge whatsoever on Andriol. Except that I heard that the absorbtion rate is around 20% (someone correct me if I’m wrong please). Probably not a great choice if money is an issue.

I’ve never used Anadrol before. It is a class II though, so gains will be fleeting if not combined with a class I androgen.

“Worth the health risks”?
That’s a silly question that can not be answered by anyone but yourself. No one can determine the “worth” of a steroid cycle to anyone but themself. 5 pounds of muscle may be worth a lot more to someone than 30 pounds of muscle is worth to someone else (if you get what I mean). Whether or not the health risks are worth it is especially difficult to judge considering your circumstance and the fact that no one here really knows enough about your body to judge what risk there is to your overall health by using any drug at all.

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[quote]gaudrtyl wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:

A novel way of not getting criticized for insisting on oral-only, anyway.

I didn’t do more than a quick search on google, but when nothing came up I just figured the doc didn’t give the full explanation.

I’m hoping the OP is sincere and with the backstory provided I’ll give the benefit of the doubt.

I didn’t say they can’t give me IV’s or needles I did say (if you read back) that it has to be life or death. If I was dehyrated then that is life or death, if I have an allergy and needed an Epi-pen that is life or death. It’s not a disease (thank god)I’ve been burned (as you will read a few posts back) and I’ve had skill graphing done (hence why I won’t posts pics of myself) I’m pretty sensative about it. I won’t even workout at a gym because of the looks I get. I workout at home. My skin is very thin and even if I get pricked enough to break the skin (in the areas graphed) which if you must know are my shoulders, upper chest and back and from my ass down to my shins (yes the front too) ouch!!! (I know what your gonna ask next). They take blood from the top of my foot because that is the least painful place to take it from.

ANYOTHER PERSON QUESTIONS THAT YOU’D LIKE TO KNOW OR SHOULD I JUST LEAVE NOW???
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Dude relax

I understand this is a sensitive issue.

You can’t fault someone for being inquisitive about a topic as uncommon as this one.

It is in the nature of many of the people here to want to learn as much as possible about things that are unfamiliar.

It didn’t sound like Bill was calling you an outright liar, but you have to admit that “super skin sensitivity” would sound somewhat strange to anyone without prior exposure to the condition.

Edit
No one asked you to go into any personal details. You seem too eager to hop on the defensive.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
gaudrtyl wrote:
I have heard winni can be werse on the liver than dbol, Var and Anadrol, any idea if thats true. I just got a PM about Andriol (oral test) I’ve been looking around and alot of people who can’t do needles do it. I haven’t found any cycles people have used it with. It’s supposively only about half to three quarters as effective as injectable test and it has only a 2 or 3 hour life so you have to dose often throughout the day. It’s quite expensive but in my case I’m kinda limited. It’s fast acting and absorbed through the small intestine. It sounds kinda promising. What do you think. In one of the Q & A’s with Dave Palumbo on his site someone asked him about it and he says it wouldn’t be as effective as injections but it should be more than sufficient for the recreaction user. I’m still looking for where to find it without going to one the online scammer sites. I’ve been screwed many times before online. Whats your experience with Anadrol? I’ve heard you loose fast when you come off it. Is it werth the health risk in your opinion?
Thanks for the help!!

I don’t know if winstrol is harder on the liver than dbol, anadrol, or anavar. You’d have to take into account the normal dosages of each drug, I think. On a milligram per milligram I’d say winstrol isn’t significantly worse than the other three.

I have no knowledge whatsoever on Andriol. Except that I heard that the absorbtion rate is around 20% (someone correct me if I’m wrong please). Probably not a great choice if money is an issue.

I’ve never used Anadrol before. It is a class II though, so gains will be fleeting if not combined with a class I androgen.

“Worth the health risks”?
That’s a silly question that can not be answered by anyone but yourself. No one can determine the “worth” of a steroid cycle to anyone but themself. 5 pounds of muscle may be worth a lot more to someone than 30 pounds of muscle is worth to someone else (if you get what I mean). Whether or not the health risks are worth it is especially difficult to judge considering your circumstance and the fact that no one here really knows enough about your body to judge what risk there is to your overall health by using any drug at all.
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Good point. I guess it’s up to me the health risks. I get you for sure on that. I think it may come down to if I wanna gain alot of wieght and then loose some on dbol or gain a little on anavar and keep almost all of it. decisions, decisions.

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[quote]gaudrtyl wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
gaudrtyl wrote:
I have heard winni can be werse on the liver than dbol, Var and Anadrol, any idea if thats true. I just got a PM about Andriol (oral test) I’ve been looking around and alot of people who can’t do needles do it. I haven’t found any cycles people have used it with. It’s supposively only about half to three quarters as effective as injectable test and it has only a 2 or 3 hour life so you have to dose often throughout the day. It’s quite expensive but in my case I’m kinda limited. It’s fast acting and absorbed through the small intestine. It sounds kinda promising. What do you think. In one of the Q & A’s with Dave Palumbo on his site someone asked him about it and he says it wouldn’t be as effective as injections but it should be more than sufficient for the recreaction user. I’m still looking for where to find it without going to one the online scammer sites. I’ve been screwed many times before online. Whats your experience with Anadrol? I’ve heard you loose fast when you come off it. Is it werth the health risk in your opinion?
Thanks for the help!!

I don’t know if winstrol is harder on the liver than dbol, anadrol, or anavar. You’d have to take into account the normal dosages of each drug, I think. On a milligram per milligram I’d say winstrol isn’t significantly worse than the other three.

I have no knowledge whatsoever on Andriol. Except that I heard that the absorbtion rate is around 20% (someone correct me if I’m wrong please). Probably not a great choice if money is an issue.

I’ve never used Anadrol before. It is a class II though, so gains will be fleeting if not combined with a class I androgen.

“Worth the health risks”?
That’s a silly question that can not be answered by anyone but yourself. No one can determine the “worth” of a steroid cycle to anyone but themself. 5 pounds of muscle may be worth a lot more to someone than 30 pounds of muscle is worth to someone else (if you get what I mean). Whether or not the health risks are worth it is especially difficult to judge considering your circumstance and the fact that no one here really knows enough about your body to judge what risk there is to your overall health by using any drug at all.

Good point. I guess it’s up to me the health risks. I get you for sure on that. I think it may come down to if I wanna gain alot of wieght and then loose some on dbol or gain a little on anavar and keep almost all of it. decisions, decisions.

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Did you even read about class I/class II synergy?

Running dbol and var together would surely be wiser than running one or the other. Gain your 15 pounds on dbol, shed the water, retain 10 pounds with the synergistic help of var.

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[quote]gaudrtyl wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:

A novel way of not getting criticized for insisting on oral-only, anyway.

I’m hoping the OP is sincere and with the backstory provided I’ll give the benefit of the doubt.

I didn’t say they can’t give me IV’s or needles I did say (if you read back) that it has to be life or death. [/quote]

I did say, if you read back, “unless his life hangs in the balance.”

So why you seem to think I missed that, I don’t know.

I also said I wasn’t going to doubt your sincerity, I’m saying that what you say is very strange and I do expect you can use an insulin needle and you can inject.

I really don’t expect you’ve been skin-grafted 100% of your body. Thus there should be places that are not grafted that should be less sensitive than other places. IM injection with an insulin needle can be done in very, very many possible locations. I do expect it could be done. I think you are assuming too soon it cannot be done without problem.

That said, though, now that you’ve posted the above: It’s hard to reconcile with your previous statements of having competed in bodybuilding and how it’s hard to tell you’ve had the grafts unless within a few feet of you.

[quote]ANYOTHER PERSON QUESTIONS THAT YOU’D LIKE TO KNOW OR SHOULD I JUST LEAVE NOW???
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Well, you’ve got a “super sensitivity” all right.

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Wow, things escalated really quickly.

Chill out man, I was curious too, but no one is saying they don’t believe you. I don’t see how anyone is being a lowlife by simply asking some questions.

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I appoligize for being a little sensative about the issue. I have been around other sites like this for a few years and I get pissed when people treat it like its and intarigation for asking a question. So I took it upon myself to suck it up and realize people may have some questions so i figured if I gave a little history and reasoning behind my question and situation I would have to be reminded that at 29 years old but my skin doesn’t look a day Under 60.

So yes sensativity is a huge issue for me. I can look over it if everyone else can. I just get sick of taking a week to get an answer of something I haven’t been able to successfully research and people instead of wanting to help (which I thought was the point of these sites) when people do know the answer or can help they take it upon themselve to try and be Dr i wanna know your medical history before I give you the time of day. Thats all. I’m all over it I don’t have to hear anymore about it.

Thanks again to the people who have helped me (or should I say person).
That thanks goes out to Bonez217 until someone else actually wants to help and not hurt!

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Let me know if any of these locations can be injected into then and maybe i’ll consider it. Feet and hands and top of forearms, neck, face and head, calves and shins, lower back (from waste line about 6 inches up) Can any of these locations take injections? If so are there lots of nerves in these areas?

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For an intramuscular injection of say 1 mL or more, which is the usual size for a steroid cycle, you need a muscle that has enough bulk – which need not be much, but cannot be tiny – so that there is some muscle around the point being injected into, which is 1/2" deep.

Forearms seem a poor choice.

As a GUESS I would expect there is musculature in the back area of the neck that would be suitable but that would require specialized knowledge to be able to say. It is not a location anyone uses in bodybuilding and there would be all kinds of wrong places. So let’s rule that out too.

Hands, feet, face, and head, no. Shins, not really.

Aaargh, besides lower back, that leaves us with calves!

Now actually there are quite a few bodybuilders that do inject into the calves. But most that have tried doing that, hate it.

The lower back, IM, would probably be best described the way I did the neck.

So that would leave is with sub-Q (sub-cutaneous, the way insulin users do it) injections. Just beneath the skin.

These are really non-fussy for location.

Calves or lower back could be good choices.

An issue is injection volume. Dr Shippen, a physician who does a great deal of work in hormone replacement therapy, has found sub-Q to work quite well for steroid injections but he uses quite small volumes. I don’t know what the upper limit is for comfort (it’s not a safety issue in any case.) Perhaps 1/2 mL. Something like 1/4 mL is absolutely certainly not a problem.

Let’s as a guess say you start at 1/4 mL and work your way up and for sake of discussion say that 0.40 is what you decide is all that you like. And you don’t care to inject more than once per day, let’s say.

That would work out to 2.8 mL per week. With a 250 mg/mL preparation that would be 700 mg/week. A very solid amount.

As your doctors were willing to advise you on whether anabolic steroid use would aggravate your skin condition, perhaps they may oblige in giving a tip on subcutaneous injection. If not, it’s something that very many bodybuilders have taught themselves, though ordinarily with water-based compounds. (No difference in injection techniques, except that oil based will inherently be a slower injection, perhaps taking 15 or 30 seconds.)

Hitting a major nerve is not an issue with this method.