Okay, so I’ve actually (kinda) stopped dreading the idea of needles (hats off to my brilliant shrink). And what I’ve seen most people recommending (with slight variations on this theme) is:
18g to draw and 23g 1.5in to inject
Will be using the ventrogluteal site (thanks cortes - found it easily and it seems perfect)
Dumb Question #1: The needles actually detach from the syringe so I can change from draw to inject?
Dumb Question #2: The 1.5in needle is necessary, I’m guessing, to get the juice deep enough into the muscle?
Will be injecting 250mg test enanth 2x/week for 12 weeks and using .25 of a-dex EOD starting week 3.
I wouldnt use a 18g to draw most likely you’ll punch out chunks of rubber that will float around in your vial. Or are you using amps? in that case hell ya go for it. right now im using 20s to draw and 25s to inject seems like the best combo IMHO. Ventro site kicks ass.
Yes the needles detach they just screw on and off. 1.2 is overall best length. for ventro because the subQ fat is at most maybe 2.3, 3cm you could prob use a 1in. but i use a 1.5, i like to make damn sure ya know?
For the cost of a new needle i’d much rather put a fresh sharp one into me rather than the dulled one that came out of the vial.
Maybe you value the 25ish cents more than I do.[/quote]
Mine is out of necessity, but I don’t mind drawing and shooting with a 23 at all. I notice no difference. However, next cycle I’ll be drawing from two different vials, I’ll definitely be using a fresh needle to inject at that point.
OP, if you had a needle phobia before, I would suggest using a 1". The 1.5" can look a little scary. I didn’t have any trouble using either, though, on ventroglute. I do “bury” the needle using a 1" there, and I’ve heard of instances of them breaking off(!!!), so you might want think about that. 1.25" would probably be perfect for just about any site.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
However, next cycle I’ll be drawing from two different vials, I’ll definitely be using a fresh needle to inject at that point.[/quote]
Cortes,
I’m drawing 1ml of test e and 1 ml of eq, but I think I’m doing it the “long way”. I’ve been drawing with 1 22g (use the same needle for both draws), but have been doing 2 injections with separate clean 23g pins.
Can I combine the two compounds into 1 2ml injection? Is there anything else that I need to know about doing that?
Personally I seldom ever shoot glutes due to flexibility issues, so I stick mainly to glutes and delts. Because of this I never use 1.5" and always shoot with 25g 1". I have little subQ fat so the 1" always gets where it needs to go. It takes a little longer to inject but the slow injection really helps to reduce injection pain and keeps the muscles from getting sore afterwards.
I think a big key is to keep the oil warm both while drawing and injecting. I can draw with as high as a 23g. I will sometimes shoot as much as 3ml at a time of mixed compounds with no problems. However I have never tried shooting water based with oil based, I think the jury is still out on that one.
Ive done the water and oil based together with no issues at all. Works along the same lines as using a product with a high percentage of EO oil in it. Just shake the heck outta it prior to injecting.
I use a 23guage 1", use the same pin to draw as I do to shoot. Only quads so far, never a problem. Use alcohol to clean the top of the vial before using each time. www.siteinjections.com has all the NO BS methods.
OP, if you had a needle phobia before, I would suggest using a 1". The 1.5" can look a little scary. I didn’t have any trouble using either, though, on ventroglute. I do “bury” the needle using a 1" there, and I’ve heard of instances of them breaking off(!!!), so you might want think about that. 1.25" would probably be perfect for just about any site.[/quote]
HA, Cortes, are you trying to help or scare him!! “Oh you should be fine, but be careful not to break off a needle in your body. Good luck!”…hehe…somebody is a little bit of an evil bastard…
OP, if you had a needle phobia before, I would suggest using a 1". The 1.5" can look a little scary. I didn’t have any trouble using either, though, on ventroglute. I do “bury” the needle using a 1" there, and I’ve heard of instances of them breaking off(!!!), so you might want think about that. 1.25" would probably be perfect for just about any site.
HA, Cortes, are you trying to help or scare him!! “Oh you should be fine, but be careful not to break off a needle in your body. Good luck!”…hehe…somebody is a little bit of an evil bastard…[/quote]
I don’t even know how a needle would break off! Those things are super flexible, at least the smaller gauges are. I’ve tried bending one back and forth repeatedly to break it, and it just doesn’t happen. I have a feeling these anecdotal reports of breaking off needles is crap.
