Bump for the thread…And the “Steroids for Dummies” article, a great place to start research.
I personally don’t use gear nor am I considering buying some. Using gear is a personal choice and I don’t judge anyone for using it. I’m not a narc but I am studying this topic for legal research purposes. What I don’t understand is how the government allows cigs to be sold legally yet bans… well, we all know about politics.
Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004. When Congress acts there is little connection between knowing and comprehension. Many people don’t get caught. I only want to offer an explanation of the change in the law that could affect one’s decision. Under federal law we have new anabolic steroids such as androstanediol, androstanedione, androstenediol, androstenedione, bolasterone, calusterone, methyldienolone, norandrostenediol and tetrahydrogestrinone just to name a few. What about meds from large corporations that killed some people a couple of years ago? The law is unfair and silly but it is still the law. Maybe if Arnold’s people can help amend the Constitution and he gets elected…
While many fellow lifters may be tempted to try a cycle you should be aware that there are risks involved. While most prosecutors don’t go after small fish all it takes is for an ADA or AUSA with a mind to make a name for himself to go after someone. The new law provides that steroid precursors are now classified as controlled substances just like heroin.
Also, prohormones are now Schedule III drugs, just like Vicodin. Persons who possess prohormones now face arrest and prosecution. While there a lot of factors that go into cases, if you get caught and if the prosecutor has an axe to grind you could spend a lot of money getting out of legal trouble. Thousands.
Let’s say you’re caught while possessing a single andro tablet, yes I said single, is now a federal crime punishable by up to a year in jail for a first offense, which applies retroactively. The good news is that it is unlikely that we will see local cops arresting possessors of the newly scheduled prohormones. Not just because they have to catch rapists, kiddie porn bastards, etc., but also because at present the products are controlled only at the federal level.
Some states have joined the bandwagor so be sure to check your state’s laws. Hypothetically, John Smith catches a case for gear possession. Nationally, most steroid cases are brought in state courts rather than federal district courts. What this means is that if a given substance is not scheduled by state statutes, then state courts dump the case because they can’t prosecute for a controlled substance crime. Other charges may be alive so John may not be out of the woods yet.
The bad news is that a lot of cases come from the casual user being charged as a dealer. Even some cops on gear have been caught and charged as dealers. In a typical case John Smith gets arrested for a gear charge for selling them to Bill Smith, no relation, who has his own legal problems and just got flipped.
Pursuant to the United States Code and various state statutes selling steroids, or possessing them with intent to sell is a felony. If John Smith was selling gear or possesses said gear unlawfully with intent to sell then he is facing five years in prison under federal law and up to seven years in prison under New York state law while his lawyer orders the imported tile.
To get the best deal possible can result in hiring a good lawyer and the cheapest one I found wants $5,000 just to start things moving. The odds of John going to prison depend on the facts of the case, the ADA, his criminal history, ties to the community, etc.
I hope this was helpful.
Old Newbie:
WEll, Here goes nothing. I’ve been spying on this site for a long time.
Wow!..a lot of back and forth…to say the least. However, I find MOST of it, more “good natured horseplay”, than anything more serious.
Me? I am an “older” athlete, been with some, what? HERO type military units? done a PILE of adrenaline (sp?)/endorphine sports, etc, etc.
The point is: ALL of you, heed ye well. After about 45 years old or so, your dick juice levels will DROP DOWN, EXPONENTIALLY, off the charts. I was IMMORTAL, until that happened.
I never used the stuff, 'cause I was “hard core”, but I do know, not too long ago, if I wanted, all I had to do was ask.
Now, here’s the bitch: NOW, I want/need some…supplements…and boy! It’s like we-re ALL worst than hard core felons!! What happened, and what’d I miss?..I know…time passed, and I was interested in other things.
And that’s why I’m here. I have had test shots from the MD…all legal and above board, …and they make me feel like a new man. Really! BUt, when I asked him about anavar, he liked at me like I called his mom a …bad name. WTFO!!! AND, I’ve know this guy for over a decade, me an this Doc could talk about ANYTHING,…and if I ever needed anything, all I had to do was ask.
Then, I asked about anavar…in short order, and in no uncertain terms, I very quickly got the hint, that THAT particular medicine was non-negotiable, not to be discussed further…I was STUNNED.
THen? I found something called anavar, by accident, (a former SpecWar Disabled Vet,friend, former workout buddy (we wuz natural back then…) now parapalegic…), got me some anavar. I guess if you’re crippled, depressed, etc…THEN they might let you have some. What a phuqued up world…butt I digress…
Well, I went from an ancient, moldy, decrepit old bastard, to that 30 year legeng in my own mind…in about 3 weeks, with the MD test shots, and a few anavar.What a Difference!! talk about the fountain of youth…for me at least.
I had no idea at that time, how badly these good supplements had been so wrongfully tarred by the evil, “steroid” brush.
My Yass.
Now, here’s my problem. My current job and profession, is a NO ERROR field, ergo, I can’t get into any trouble. Most of us can’t and don’t wanna’.
BUTT, after the MD test shots, and some anavar, I KNOW that my quality of life is going to improve to the max. Without these things, I will go do down the hill rather rapidly, physically wise, and probably not be as happy a guy as I am.
So, from what I’ve read, this I know: DON’T MENTION SOURCES!!!..DON’T TALK ABOUT GEAR!!!..and so on and so forth.
Can anybody just cough, wink, and maybe nod toward a direction, where NOBODY gets bothered/in trouble, and , say, maybe I can start looking into the right direction for, …that supplement that begins with an “a”? Maybe give me a heads up on what folks call scammers, and a nod or so, in the right direction?
Footnote: something has happened the years past while I wasn’t looking: It seems that just a while back, EVERYONE, that was so inclined, could get…souped up supplements.
Now?? What happened? NOW, that I myself could really use some stuff…EVERYBODY has headed for the bushes!!..what a wacky world, replete with Big Brother, etc…but that’s another story.
Anyway, glad to be here. Any hints on what NOT to do, or where NOT to order, cool.
If I’m outt’a line here, my apologies (sp?) to all…I may be older, but I am new, and if corrected, I’ll not make the same mistake twice.
You all have my word, I’m one of you.
So, …any ideas how a hypothetical person could MAYBE, out of curiosity, get headed to some sympathetic and knowlegable, and fair priced, oxyandrolone store?
Glad to be here…regards to all!
worm
Hey Folks,
I am new and have been doing exactly what the thread has suggested and have been doing research and just doing alot of reading. I just wanted to drop my first tread and say thankyou for all the great advice.
I am a third cycle user, so not entirely an expert by any means and had a question…I was given some DBol from and aquaintance on the assumption that I would like it and buy…The DBol pills are light blue and heart shaped???The only DBol I have ever seen is pink? I took the personalized shape as a good sign, but I was not sure about the color? Any help…Am I being to skeptical?
I’m 36 and haven’t used any gear in many years. I am looking to start back. I have been training steady for two years now and and have my diet in order. I’m not to looking to get looking to get huge or gain too much to quick. ( I would like to be somewhat descreet about using gear) I just want to gain a few extra pounds and keep as much as possible. I took the advice at the begining of this thread and read some of the articles recommended.
My question comes from Cy’s article that talks about not suppressing your endogenous testosterone in “Never Ending Cycle” which I will quote “The only other option that leaves us with would be low dosages of Testosterone (<200 mg per week) taken concurrently with anastrozole or 4-AD”…I would take this for 16 weeks, then PCT, then off for awhile then go on another long cycle. Would this be a good option to start with considering my goals.
I already have plenty of Sus, so this would be my gear of choice.
[quote]wormy wrote:
Old Newbie:
WEll, Here goes nothing. I’ve been spying on this site for a long time.
Wow!..a lot of back and forth…to say the least. However, I find MOST of it, more “good natured horseplay”, than anything more serious.
Me? I am an “older” athlete, been with some, what? HERO type military units? done a PILE of adrenaline (sp?)/endorphine sports, etc, etc.
The point is: ALL of you, heed ye well. After about 45 years old or so, your dick juice levels will DROP DOWN, EXPONENTIALLY, off the charts. I was IMMORTAL, until that happened.
I never used the stuff, 'cause I was “hard core”, but I do know, not too long ago, if I wanted, all I had to do was ask.
Now, here’s the bitch: NOW, I want/need some…supplements…and boy! It’s like we-re ALL worst than hard core felons!! What happened, and what’d I miss?..I know…time passed, and I was interested in other things.
And that’s why I’m here. I have had test shots from the MD…all legal and above board, …and they make me feel like a new man. Really! BUt, when I asked him about anavar, he liked at me like I called his mom a …bad name. WTFO!!! AND, I’ve know this guy for over a decade, me an this Doc could talk about ANYTHING,…and if I ever needed anything, all I had to do was ask.
Then, I asked about anavar…in short order, and in no uncertain terms, I very quickly got the hint, that THAT particular medicine was non-negotiable, not to be discussed further…I was STUNNED.
THen? I found something called anavar, by accident, (a former SpecWar Disabled Vet,friend, former workout buddy (we wuz natural back then…) now parapalegic…), got me some anavar. I guess if you’re crippled, depressed, etc…THEN they might let you have some. What a phuqued up world…butt I digress…
Well, I went from an ancient, moldy, decrepit old bastard, to that 30 year legeng in my own mind…in about 3 weeks, with the MD test shots, and a few anavar.What a Difference!! talk about the fountain of youth…for me at least.
I had no idea at that time, how badly these good supplements had been so wrongfully tarred by the evil, “steroid” brush.
My Yass.
Now, here’s my problem. My current job and profession, is a NO ERROR field, ergo, I can’t get into any trouble. Most of us can’t and don’t wanna’.
BUTT, after the MD test shots, and some anavar, I KNOW that my quality of life is going to improve to the max. Without these things, I will go do down the hill rather rapidly, physically wise, and probably not be as happy a guy as I am.
So, from what I’ve read, this I know: DON’T MENTION SOURCES!!!..DON’T TALK ABOUT GEAR!!!..and so on and so forth.
Can anybody just cough, wink, and maybe nod toward a direction, where NOBODY gets bothered/in trouble, and , say, maybe I can start looking into the right direction for, …that supplement that begins with an “a”? Maybe give me a heads up on what folks call scammers, and a nod or so, in the right direction?
Footnote: something has happened the years past while I wasn’t looking: It seems that just a while back, EVERYONE, that was so inclined, could get…souped up supplements.
Now?? What happened? NOW, that I myself could really use some stuff…EVERYBODY has headed for the bushes!!..what a wacky world, replete with Big Brother, etc…but that’s another story.
Anyway, glad to be here. Any hints on what NOT to do, or where NOT to order, cool.
If I’m outt’a line here, my apologies (sp?) to all…I may be older, but I am new, and if corrected, I’ll not make the same mistake twice.
You all have my word, I’m one of you.
So, …any ideas how a hypothetical person could MAYBE, out of curiosity, get headed to some sympathetic and knowlegable, and fair priced, oxyandrolone store?
Glad to be here…regards to all!
worm[/quote]
I liked your post; hopefully you’ll get some hits. If you don’t it might be because you have just one post though…so there is my hint for you. As far as your Doc goes…Doctors are people, people can be narrow minded assholes…your doctor is one of them.
[quote]MGD wrote:
I am a third cycle user, so not entirely an expert by any means and had a question…I was given some DBol from and aquaintance on the assumption that I would like it and buy…The DBol pills are light blue and heart shaped???The only DBol I have ever seen is pink? I took the personalized shape as a good sign, but I was not sure about the color? Any help…Am I being to skeptical?
[/quote]
The only time I took dbol was back in 1988 and it they were small light blue pills. With so many UGL’s nowadays they could probably shape em like Fred Flintstone if they wanted to; I wouldn’t worry about it if you already bought them…try em out and gage for yourself whether or not you’ll continue to do business with that particular vendor.
Alright, here’s a question…
I’m considering trying the “sachet” packaging, but I’m wondering…
Each packet, or, “sachet”, holds 3ml @ 250mg/ml. of my chosen substance. Using 250 mg per week, that leaves 2ml, or 500 mg, that I’m not quite sure how to store…
I am led to believe that the gear should be kept no longer than a few days in a syringe, but I have a need to store the remains for 3 weeks. I’ve looked into procuring empty vials for storage, but they need to be purchasde in bulk, which is cost-prohibitive and frankly a waste at a 100-vial min. order…
If anyone has some insight/experience with this problem or any information regarding the factors involved with what causes gear to breakdown/go sour/ lose potency/whatever, I would really appreciate this, as I would like to minimize my risk by purchasing the goods in this format. Thanks in advance.
[quote]Lord Humungous wrote:
Alright, here’s a question…
I’m considering trying the “sachet” packaging, but I’m wondering…
Each packet, or, “sachet”, holds 3ml @ 250mg/ml. of my chosen substance. Using 250 mg per week, that leaves 2ml, or 500 mg, that I’m not quite sure how to store…
I am led to believe that the gear should be kept no longer than a few days in a syringe, but I have a need to store the remains for 3 weeks. I’ve looked into procuring empty vials for storage, but they need to be purchasde in bulk, which is cost-prohibitive and frankly a waste at a 100-vial min. order…
If anyone has some insight/experience with this problem or any information regarding the factors involved with what causes gear to breakdown/go sour/ lose potency/whatever, I would really appreciate this, as I would like to minimize my risk by purchasing the goods in this format. Thanks in advance. [/quote]
I wouldnt worry about the gear going bad so much as worrying about the gear getting you sick in non-sterile environments. 3 Weeks is a bit of time, a few days is ok. I mean you could store the extra the same way begining with sterile syringes.
But think of this you have 3 lines of deffense against being sick. Now if you store something for 3weeks and inject it in a non proper form of storage you can get sick. Believe me people get sick from this ive seen it.
This proccess is mostly used for users who travel.
If you have extra mix then gear (making a cocktail) and the rest is a loss. idk its upto you.
[quote]MGD wrote:
I am a third cycle user, so not entirely an expert by any means and had a question…I was given some DBol from and aquaintance on the assumption that I would like it and buy…The DBol pills are light blue and heart shaped???The only DBol I have ever seen is pink? I took the personalized shape as a good sign, but I was not sure about the color? Any help…Am I being to skeptical?
[/quote]
10mg blue tables heart shaped with a dragon on one side?
Put them through the crush test.
Here’s another one…
I’m thinking of stacking deca with Epistane, Ha anyone tried this or have any insight/opinions on whether or how this may or may not work out?
No dragon…I wish they had a dragon and a big fat BD on them-haha, then it wouldn’t be so hard…I think I was able to validate them in a way though. Lord Infam…what is the cruck test?
This is my first cycle and I’m looking to make decent gains (15-20 lbs) I already weigh about 185 and im 5’11’'. I like not to have to take anti-e’s or clomid or anything post cycle. Also I’d still like to be able to have sex during the cycle (I read deca by itself can have that effect). What kind of cycle could you recommend?
[quote]Warhorse wrote:
Step 1:
Go to T-mag.com Home and scroll through the FAQ section. There are links to articles on just about everything you need to know about juicin’.
Step 2:
Read Cy’s columns, you may also want to read Strasseroids as well. Use the search engine and read some of the 500 threads related to the simple question you’re about to ask! [/quote]
Sorry did I miss something in Step 1 ???
where is the FAQ section ??
T-mag.com, isn’t that this forum ? or another website?
That post by Warhorse dates back 4 years. In case you haven’t noticed, the layout of this forum (including the 10,000 different URLs that get you here) changes like the wind.
Oops, thanks I didn’t notice the date that was written.
But my question still remains: what’s a good source to start reading up on for a newbie?
I’m 43, into strength more than bbing, experienced lifter with lots of size already, but curious about trying gear.
[quote]Lord Humungous wrote:
Here’s another one…
I’m thinking of stacking deca with Epistane, Ha anyone tried this or have any insight/opinions on whether or how this may or may not work out? [/quote]
LH:
Where did you ever end up with the epistane…you and I were chattin over at SM about it last month…did you do it yet?
Mousse