Steroid (AAS) Side Effects: Will You Survive?

[tareload]

Hi @Christian_Thibaudeau:

I wanted to take a moment to thank you for writing this article:

Steroid Side Effects: Will You Survive?

Balanced article and in particular I found this part refreshing:

Also way to go mentioning the concern with beta-adrenergic upregulation and potential remodeling of the heart muscle.

Also, might I add that if AAS are your hobby that you do regular surveillance with annual echocardiocardiograms.

[lordgains]

I thought that as well. Great and needed article. CT is the real deal when it comes to all things fitness.

[Christian_Thibaudeau]

Much appreciated guys

[mnben87]

That should be stickied in the pharma section. Very well written. I will be reading it again.

[tareload]

My pleasure. Your writing and phrasing in the article so much better than that knowitall PITA readalot:

Edit the Description for the Pharma Forum

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There Are No Safe Methods For Recreational AAS Use

EDIT: Moderator edited my thread title but here’s what it was designed to read… Pharma Forum Description is Incorrect: There Are No Safe Methods For Recreational AAS Use [image] Here you go. Just in case you are new here, read the Pharma forum description (copied above), and think you are going to get a free lunch. Nope, it’s not happening. It’s probably not even going to be a greatly reduced price lunch. There are no safe methods for recreational AAS (i.e., your goal is to elicit a cosme…

Lost All My Gains During PCT

Ran test e at 500mg/ wk for 14 weeks with 40mg anavar for the final 6 weeks. Made great gains, felt amazing and decided it was time to come off. I’d originally bought enough Test to run a cruise, but decided against it and decided to do PCT. I stopped and ran HCG for 2 weeks while I waited for the Test to clear, then started with Clomid/ Nolva. I increased calories to above maintenance to sustain the gains, but on my second week of the PCT I looked and felt bloody awful. I’d lost all my gains an…

Also, big props to you for understanding how problematic it is to concatenate the words “safe” and “AAS/steroids”!

Lost All My Gains During PCT

@iron_yuppie 86D chess. Good one. It ain’t just my opinion… I do see your point… it probably accomplishes about what everything else on here accomplishes… In general, intelligent people get together and create standards for a reason. This forum is not exempt from such motivation. We should try to do things better and that’s what I try to contribute on here. That’s why you are here. If the forum owners don’t want to adopt best practices or industry standards then so be it. But don’t gi…

@readalot

See section 4.2

4 Use of the terms “safety” and “safe”

4.1 The term “safe” is often understood by the general public as the state of being protected from all hazards. However, this is a misunderstanding: “safe” is rather the state of being protected from recognized hazards that are likely to cause harm. Some level of risk is inherent in products or systems (see 3.14).

4.2 The use of the terms “safety” and “safe” as descriptive adjectives should be avoided when they convey no useful extra information. In addition, they are likely to be misinterpreted as an assurance of freedom from risk.

The recommended approach is to replace, wherever possible, the terms “safety” and “safe” with an indication of the objective.

EXAMPLES

“Protective helmet” instead of “safety helmet”; “protective impedance device” instead of “safety impedance”; “slip resistant floor-covering” instead of “safe floor-covering”.

I really am hopeful you will make an impact on those that will take the time to read, digest and apply the information you took the time to share. Thanks again.

Guys (and Gals) make the investment to routinely track your BP, RHR, EKG/HRV and get that echo annually.

[Christian_Thibaudeau]

@tareload

I really am hopeful you will make an impact on those that will take the time to read, digest and apply the information you took the time to share. Thanks again.

Maybe among the older users who start to be more health (heck, survival) conscious. But I doubt it will have an impact with the younger users who just want to be huge right now, and think that they are invincible

[tareload]

@Christian_Thibaudeau

older users who start to be more health (heck, survival) conscious

I’d cry if this wasn’t so darn funny. Well said.

As per @mnben87 's idea above, would be great to sticky your article on the Pharma forum description IMO and maybe a hyperlink to your article attached to the words “safe and effective” in the Pharma forum description:

Thinking out loud: Increase the collision frequency people have with your article when visiting the Pharma forum if that’s possible or something your colleagues could make happen.

@Mod_Phoenix / @Mod_Starr (what the hell I’ll also appeal to @TC_Luoma, I’ve only been reading you and Dan’s work for the last 25+ years, thank you Man!) : is it possible to pin the article or this thread (if it’s easier) on the Pharma forum or link in the Pharma forum description as highlighted above?

Surely if a user has to see Danny Bossa’s face

on the stickied credentials thread every time they visit the TRT forum then they could get a much better treat coming up to speed on AAS with @Christian_Thibaudeau 's pithy and essential article.

[RT_Nomad]

I read this thread and appreciate the information, even the additional comments.

But every time I see it pop up In the latest posts, to me, it begs the question: At what age can a person feel as though they survived the side effects?

[tareload]

I’d say you are eligible!

Let’s also take a moment of silence for those who weren’t as fortunate as you:

Pics Showing Growth Over Time Using Gear

In the military (Editing Survivorship bias (section) - Wikipedia) [image] The damaged portions of returning planes show locations where they can sustain damage and still return home; those hit in other places presumedly do not survive. (Image shows hypothetical data.) During World War II, the statistician Abraham Wald took survivorship bias into his calculations when considering how to minimize bomber losses to enemy fire.[11] The Statistical Research Group (SRG) at Columbia University, whi…

I am glad you made it and wish you many more years with reasonable compression of morbidity.

[tzabcan]

You mentioned ‘Carditone’ and it’s the first I’ve heard of it.

Anyone out there using this and Is there a specific brand you like and recommend or more importantly a dosage ?

[Christian_Thibaudeau]

Actually, unless I’m mistaken, carditone is a only made by one company although the ingredients might be in some other products. Just follow the instructions of the bottle.

A lot of people, myself included, reported up a a 10 points drop in blood pressure from using it.

[tzabcan]

Thanks … I picked up a bottle after reading your article and the company is AYUSH HERBS.

Didn’t realize they were the only ones making it. I appreciate the reply

[lordgains]

@Christian_Thibaudeau

carditone

It contains rauwolfia extract, which contains reserpin. This was used for blood pressure before other medication was available. It empties neurontransmitter vesicles of NA, DA, 5-HT and GABA. It drops blood pressure by inhibiting the sympathetic nervous system. It’s notorious for inducing depression after a while taking it, that’s why it’s not used anymore.

0.5 mg are enough for this effect.

Thought you might be interested in this CT.

[Christian_Thibaudeau]

It is very interesting! Thank you for the info.