Ran test e at 500mg/ wk for 14 weeks with 40mg anavar for the final 6 weeks. Made great gains, felt amazing and decided it was time to come off. I’d originally bought enough Test to run a cruise, but decided against it and decided to do PCT. I stopped and ran HCG for 2 weeks while I waited for the Test to clear, then started with Clomid/ Nolva. I increased calories to above maintenance to sustain the gains, but on my second week of the PCT I looked and felt bloody awful. I’d lost all my gains and people commented on me looking “smaller”. I caved and jumped on a TRT Test E dose of 200mg/w.
I’ve booked bloods for a couple of week’s time to see what’s happening, but question is: how long until I can jump on my next cycle/ blast? Feel like I’ve f*cked it a bit with all this PCT stuff thrown in the middle. I’d get back on a cycle now if I could, but I’m thinking that’s probably a bad idea and I should stabilise a bit first…
i would get back on at least a cruise dose, IF you are ready for BnC life.
cycle and pct is worst that you can do if you want to keep gains… no matter how good the pct is and how you increase calories, unless you started a cycle being waaay undertrained and miles away from your natural potential, OR you have super awesome genetics and you already look like on steroids before you took steroids, you will never keep any gains when you go off…
Either dont do it anymore at all, or sign up for BnC lifestyle and understand that you will be on at least TRT dose for the rest of your life.
It’s not worth a suspension/ban. Some people recover faster than others, some have faulty endocrine parameters at baseline
There is SO much that goes into this. Steroids aren’t for everyone, however for healthy ADULTS who have been training hard; testing the waters isn’t the end of the world for most
As specified, provided you are healthy; worst case scenario from one high dose cycle like this is TRT for life. This is a risk in assuming most are willing to take if they’re willing to inject themselves with exogenous hormones.
MOST twenty five year old men capable of making a well informed decision… I say most as I have met people in the 30-35 age bracket who still behave like children. It’s hilarious to hear a 36 y/old male talk about the rave they’re going to attend… You aren’t in high school anymore buddy
I can’t reply now, but for the time being please just drop it. Pick your battles, you don’t always need to have the last word
I really don’t want to see you banned or suspended again. You’re one of my favourite posters.
This forum is owned by a large corporation, moderators exist to moderate. Yet this board is still more libertarian than most
But as you have a democratic right to excise free speech, those who own/work for the business this board is a part of can excise their democratic right to revoke the posting privileges of those who cause trouble.
Being able to post unrestricted on here is akin to a privilege, not a right.
Then they weren’t gains. Muscle doesn’t go away that fast. You looked good because you put on a ton of water and glycogen and for some reason you thought that was all real. It’s an illusion. A good first cycle with exactly the right diet and training was never, ever going to get you 20lbs of permanent mass. Not even 10lbs. You can expect 5-7lbs of real, actual tissue, if you’re lucky. Probably another 5lbs of pure fat. Everything else is just a mirage.
It’s not substantive debate. You have an opinion, the forum admin has another one. Everyone knows how you feel. Nobody is looking to debate you. You’re looking to police the language that a forum owned by someone else uses. What that accomplishes is beyond me. Maybe I’m not smart enough to see your 86D chess game.
Option 1. You plant your flag here and die, only to be banned.
Option 2: you accept the fate that this place sucks for using a broad term you don’t agree with, and you continue to help countless poor souls navigating the Merky waters of AAS’s hoping to guide them and provide sound theories in how to minimize harm/talk them out of something more harmful.
I’m sure there’s more options but I’d hate to see you go man. This forum needs people like you and the other smart and respected members to continue posting and helping. It’s what sets this place apart from the rest.
I’ll take the illusion! I know this is probably the wrong thing to say, but my primary concern isn’t the amount of plates I’m adding to the bar or how many PBs I’m smashing every week. If that’s a byproduct of looking good, then I’ll happily take it, but my main goal when taking AAS is to improve my aesthetic appearance. If I achieve that through water and glycogen then I can live with that
Thanks all for your contributions! I’m not really that bothered about signing up to BnC for the rest of my life. Prior to taking AAS, I was showing signs of low T anyway, so I can’t say my natural levels are anything I’m yearning for. Equally, I’m not bothered about having kids either, so fertility problems aren’t a concern.
It’s 5 weeks since the last jab from my 14 week blast. In this 5 weeks I’ve had 2 weeks of HCG and 2 subsequent weeks of PCT. I’m now in my first week of TRT dosing. Do I need to wait 9 more weeks until I can blast again ideally? Guessing the bloods will dictate this one…
“Hey Admin, I think you should change this thing, here’s why.”
“Yeah, forum guy, I kinda get what you’re saying, but I disagree. There’s no reason to change it.”
“I mean, I really think it should change. Here’s why.”
“I understand what you’re saying, but you’re mistaken. It’s not changing.”
“I really, really think it should change. Here’s why.” [rephrases argument 40+ times in two different threads over the course of one week]
“I said no. Now drop it.”
“But it should change. Here’s why.” [suspended one week.]
[returns from suspension] … “So here’s why I think it should change” … [gets reprimanded] … [11 days later… ] “LOL, see, here’s a perfect example of why you should change it.”
“No, it isn’t. And no, it won’t. No. To repeat myself for the ninth time in less than a month, No.”
Nothing wrong with that, just watch not to fall into permablast and/or permabulk territory and try looking at it more like “Buncha steps forward, couple steps back”.
When you say you “lost all gains”, what kind of numbers are we talking about?
Height (for context), starting weight/ending weight, general bodyfat guesstimate?
Just want to delve into this a little bit more. Its the exact experience I would bet 90% of users get. I’ve been there myself when I dabbled in my early years. You think cycling is going to make you huge, it works to a degree, and then you lose most to all of your apparent size during PCT. So the net sum is that you’ve endangered your HPTA function and overall health for nothing.
This is why ONLY those that are lifers in the gym should partake. The OP may be one of those guys and still had a bad experience. Point being even if you do everything right… one cycle can still end up as a net loss. Leave the cycles to the pros, BnC guys, or TRT plus guys.
Hell… delete the word ‘cycle’ from the whole process because it just doesn’t work.
