Starwars Episode 3

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[quote]Tank53 wrote:
usaffirefighter wrote:
Well, not sure about the face change. My take on the weakness was to give Anakin a chance to further betray the jedi and pave the road to the darkside. After Anakin nailed Mace the Emperor then blasted his ass about 200 feet out the window. Just a theory on my part though.

I had that take too, but wondered. Still I wanna know about that face stuff…[/quote]

He portrayed pure evil. I got the same thing from it that I got from The Exorcist as far as possession. That is what the story is about…a high tech Christ story.

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Loved the movie. Great job in bringing everything together.

I think there could be entire movie to tell Solo’s story leading up to episode 4.

Obi Wan ages too dramatically from episode 3 to 4. C3PO should be more informed in the later episodes. However, a couple of transition issues are bound to occur over the course of almost 30 years.

Final note: In my opinion Anikin should not be completely forgiven in Jedi. Yes, he kills the emperor, but he also gave the order to blow up a freakin planet.

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[quote]jerryiii wrote:
C3PO should be more informed in the later episodes. [/quote]

They erased his memory in Ep 3. Hell, I’m nowhere near the level “geek” as some of these guys and I caught that one. I’m “geek-light”.

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I’m sorry I was a huge fan of IV through VI as a kid but this movie gets a 5.0/10.0 from me. The movie lacking in dramatic punch, animated only by mind-numbing action sequences and endless light-saber fights.

Let the projectionist raise the audio above a whisper, and your enjoyment of the free-flowing spectacle will be diluted by some of the worst acting and writing known to mainstream film – and that’s by George Lucas’ meager standards.

Technically magnificent but dramatically inert, it’s a lumberingly predictable finale to the space saga that peaked in 1980 and has been going downhill ever since

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[quote]jerryiii wrote:

Final note: In my opinion Anikin should not be completely forgiven in Jedi. Yes, he kills the emperor, but he also gave the order to blow up a freakin planet.

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I hear this to a point, but what’s important to remember is that all the prophcy said is that Anikin was the chosen one to bring balance to the force. He did so by doing what no other Jedi that preceded him could do; destroying the Sith lineage.

I guess it’s like religion in the sense that many convicted murderers will “find Jesus” and all is supposed to be forgiven in the afterlife, regarless of past sins. I personally don’t agree with this at all, but that’s a topic for another thread I guess.

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[quote]Fuquad wrote:

I hear this to a point, but what’s important to remember is that all the prophcy said is that Anikin was the chosen one to bring balance to the force. He did so by doing what no other Jedi that preceded him could do; destroying the Sith lineage. [/quote]

Well if you think about it, bringing balance to the force is what he did in Ep. 3. In killing or having killed all the jedi but two (yoda, Obi-wan) and leaving only 2 sith he brought balance. Earlier in the movie it’s Yoda that foreshadows this a bit saying that perhaps the prophecy had been misinturpreted. Balance is just that, balance, not an absence of one side.

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[quote]Tank53 wrote:
My only disappointment with the new movie was the Emperor. What a joke. I mean seriously, Sam L. Jackson is laughable enough to get in every movie like Kevin Bacon (cripes is he in enough movies yet?)…but to get whipped up on by Mace Windu and then hold your own against Yoda? Cmon. And what’s the deal with the gross mutation of the Emperor? His lightning was about as effective rubbing your feet on the floor and touching em. Someone want to fill me in why he grossly aged at one point? The makeup there just seemed laughable to me. Overall he was about as menancing as a piece of toast.

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Yea, I wasnt so much dissapointed with those scenes as just confused. Was he acting weak to mace windu to get anakin to switch, or is mace windu some bad ass combat dude (better than yoda?). Also, everytime prior to that when he was in a transmission as Lord Sidious (i think) he had the messed up face already. So it seemed like he could go back and forth, but after the mace windu incident, he never went back to palpatine face you know. So if he wasn’t faking weakness against windu, did he really try that hard with his lightning that his face really did get disfigured?

And ok, the acting sucked and stuff, bla bla bla, movie was kick-ass awesome overall, lightsaber duels were awesome, EXCEPT that same stupid mace windu-sidious fight, the emperor made the weirdest faces and grunts, then did like two backflips in a row for the hell of it during the middle of the fight, everything in the movie about the emperor was just weird, not bad, just weird and creepy.

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[quote]hareboll wrote:

Yea, I wasnt so much dissapointed with those scenes as just confused. Was he acting weak to mace windu to get anakin to switch, or is mace windu some bad ass combat dude (better than yoda?). Also, everytime prior to that when he was in a transmission as Lord Sidious (i think) he had the messed up face already. So it seemed like he could go back and forth, but after the mace windu incident, he never went back to palpatine face you know. So if he wasn’t faking weakness against windu, did he really try that hard with his lightning that his face really did get disfigured?

To be fair Mace was a badass with a lightsaber. He created his own style called vapaad, which was known to be extremely aggressive and powerful, so it could have been that he was just whooping Palpatine’s ass.

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[quote]usaffirefighter wrote:

Well if you think about it, bringing balance to the force is what he did in Ep. 3. In killing or having killed all the jedi but two (yoda, Obi-wan) and leaving only 2 sith he brought balance. Earlier in the movie it’s Yoda that foreshadows this a bit saying that perhaps the prophecy had been misinturpreted. Balance is just that, balance, not an absence of one side.

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Excellent literal point. I guess it depends on their definition of Balance. It could be that equality on both sides is “balance,” or it could mean “harmonial balance,” which would be the eradication of the Sith.

Either way, good debate.

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Revenge of the Sith is much better than The Phantom Menace, and Attack of the Clones… but it still sucked major ass. Terrible acting, horrible dialogue, ridiculously stupid story… shitty shitty movie. But the lightsaber fights were cool.

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I also always thought that “balance” meant the elimination of the Jedi. I thought that right away in Episode I as soon as they said “bring balance to the force”. Yoda’s observation only confirmed it for me.

Previously the Sith had been beaten down for what, a thousand years? And the Jedi ruled all that time. The balance, to me, was to end that.

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Now I realize the movie had it’s shortcomings, but I’m wondering if there’s a few of you that went into the movie expecting way too much from a fantasy/sci-fi story. If you only focus on the negative points you might miss out on the “fun” aspect of just relaxing and being entertained.

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[quote]Trailblazer wrote:
Dustin wrote:
KBCThird wrote:

McDirmond (sp?) was excellent, however, as Obi Wan.
Dustin

I haven’t seen the movie yet…they don’t have in in this city! DAMN!

But…Obi Wan was Ewan McGreggor, and Palpatine was McDermond. Right?

TB[/quote]

You’re correct. I got them mixed up. McGreggor was excellent as Ben. Sorry for the confusion.

Dustin

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

If things had been done like this over two movies, it would have been legendary. Chewbacca’s cameo was a nice touch as well. A baby Han Solo would have been over the top.[/quote]

This can’t be…you and I actually agree on something.

Darth Vadar NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :wink:

Dustin

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Am I alone in this train of thought?

I’m going to lay it on the board for discussion.

  1. The Emperor seemed to me like some creepy old fag you’d see cruising some gay bar for some young ‘meat’ - that guy was creepy as hell - which I guess is the desired effect. I think he was playing possum with Mace - he could have wrecked his ass if he wanted to.

  2. That scene where they are at the theater and Palpatine starts to tell him the story of Darth Plagus the Wise and his powers to ‘manipulate the midichlorians himself’ to create life and avoid death for the ones he loved.

a. My impression is that Palpatine was the apprentice of Plagus and he was the one who killed him in his sleep once he learned all his secrets.

b. If the Sith did have the power to alter the midichlorians to create life - and Anakin was born of the midichlorians himself - as Ep. 1 lays out and Palpatine learned how to manipulate the midichlorians under the tutelage of Darth Plagus - is it not possible that PALPATINE CREATED ANAKIN ? Remember in Ep.2 how Yoda and Mace Windu comment that their ability to use the Force has diminished after the mysterious Sifo Dyas basically created a gigantic clone army and deleted records in the Jedi Archives right under their collective noses. I mean it is possible that Qui-Gon was wrong, and that Anakin was not merely the chosen one, but rather a Sith creation planted amongst the Jedi to bring about their inevitable demise as part of Palpatine’s master plan. Also note, how the dialogue in the movie hints at a long-standing relationship between Palpatine and Anakin at the beginning of Ep.3

b2. This theory also has some credence because if Yoda is so powerful how could they not sense that Palpatine, a super powerful Sith lord, right under their very noses. He does seem to sense that Anakin was not on the up and up - but despite his better judgment yields to Qui-Gon’s insistence on the ‘prophecy’.

Ep. 3 basically lays out how the Jedis got played over the previous centuries like fools by this bad ass Sith, Palpatine.

c. This raises the question that the entire story arc of Eps. 1-3 was part of Palpatine’s grand scheme to destroy the Jedi by using their own ‘prophecy’ against them.

d. Also, note that Yoda says in Ep.3 that it was possible that the prophecy was misinterpreted. So is it not possible that LUKE SKYWALKER and NOT ANAKIN was the one destined to bring ‘balance to the force’ ?

I don’t know but that little conversation blew shit up for me. That alone makes the movie. Yeah, the acting sucked, but overall it was a fun movie. Not perfect, but damn good nonetheless.

Just throwing this out there - wonder what your thoughts are…

-max

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[quote]Fuquad wrote:
usaffirefighter wrote:

Well if you think about it, bringing balance to the force is what he did in Ep. 3. In killing or having killed all the jedi but two (yoda, Obi-wan) and leaving only 2 sith he brought balance. Earlier in the movie it’s Yoda that foreshadows this a bit saying that perhaps the prophecy had been misinturpreted. Balance is just that, balance, not an absence of one side.

Excellent literal point. I guess it depends on their definition of Balance. It could be that equality on both sides is “balance,” or it could mean “harmonial balance,” which would be the eradication of the Sith.

Either way, good debate.[/quote]

Ok, not to be a smartass or expose my inner Star Wars geek (there is a reason I am staying away from this post) but if you read any of the Star Wars novels and followed to entire story line, you’ll find that there were more then two Jedi that survived, and there was one more Sith in the universe.

*End Geeky rant)

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[quote]OARSMAN wrote:
Am I alone in this train of thought?

I’m going to lay it on the board for discussion.

  1. The Emperor seemed to me like some creepy old fag you’d see cruising some gay bar for some young ‘meat’ - that guy was creepy as hell - which I guess is the desired effect. I think he was playing possum with Mace - he could have wrecked his ass if he wanted to.

  2. That scene where they are at the theater and Palpatine starts to tell him the story of Darth Plagus the Wise and his powers to ‘manipulate the midichlorians himself’ to create life and avoid death for the ones he loved.

a. My impression is that Palpatine was the apprentice of Plagus and he was the one who killed him in his sleep once he learned all his secrets.

b. If the Sith did have the power to alter the midichlorians to create life - and Anakin was born of the midichlorians himself - as Ep. 1 lays out and Palpatine learned how to manipulate the midichlorians under the tutelage of Darth Plagus - is it not possible that PALPATINE CREATED ANAKIN ? Remember in Ep.2 how Yoda and Mace Windu comment that their ability to use the Force has diminished after the mysterious Sifo Dyas basically created a gigantic clone army and deleted records in the Jedi Archives right under their collective noses. I mean it is possible that Qui-Gon was wrong, and that Anakin was not merely the chosen one, but rather a Sith creation planted amongst the Jedi to bring about their inevitable demise as part of Palpatine’s master plan. Also note, how the dialogue in the movie hints at a long-standing relationship between Palpatine and Anakin at the beginning of Ep.3

b2. This theory also has some credence because if Yoda is so powerful how could they not sense that Palpatine, a super powerful Sith lord, right under their very noses. He does seem to sense that Anakin was not on the up and up - but despite his better judgment yields to Qui-Gon’s insistence on the ‘prophecy’.

Ep. 3 basically lays out how the Jedis got played over the previous centuries like fools by this bad ass Sith, Palpatine.

c. This raises the question that the entire story arc of Eps. 1-3 was part of Palpatine’s grand scheme to destroy the Jedi by using their own ‘prophecy’ against them.

d. Also, note that Yoda says in Ep.3 that it was possible that the prophecy was misinterpreted. So is it not possible that LUKE SKYWALKER and NOT ANAKIN was the one destined to bring ‘balance to the force’ ?

I don’t know but that little conversation blew shit up for me. That alone makes the movie. Yeah, the acting sucked, but overall it was a fun movie. Not perfect, but damn good nonetheless.

Just throwing this out there - wonder what your thoughts are…

-max[/quote]

You bring up some fun points. I know from the books that Palpatine was Plagus’ (SP) apprentice, and did kill him. I had thought too that Palpatine created Anakin. In the book Palpatine had been manipulating and molding the happenings in most of the galaxy to make way to his ultimate plan of taking over as galactic dictator and destroying the Jedi. And I think Yoda had some sort of idea that something wierd was going on for quite a while. You can tell he never trusted Palpatine, gave him a lot of nasty looks and such.

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[quote]hoosierdaddy wrote:

Ok, not to be a smartass or expose my inner Star Wars geek (there is a reason I am staying away from this post) but if you read any of the Star Wars novels and followed to entire story line, you’ll find that there were more then two Jedi that survived, and there was one more Sith in the universe.

*End Geeky rant)

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Well I’ve obviously got a lot more reading to do. Any you’d recommend?

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[quote]OARSMAN wrote:
Am I alone in this train of thought?

I’m going to lay it on the board for discussion.

  1. The Emperor seemed to me like some creepy old fag you’d see cruising some gay bar for some young ‘meat’ - that guy was creepy as hell - which I guess is the desired effect. I think he was playing possum with Mace - he could have wrecked his ass if he wanted to.

  2. That scene where they are at the theater and Palpatine starts to tell him the story of Darth Plagus the Wise and his powers to ‘manipulate the midichlorians himself’ to create life and avoid death for the ones he loved.

a. My impression is that Palpatine was the apprentice of Plagus and he was the one who killed him in his sleep once he learned all his secrets.

b. If the Sith did have the power to alter the midichlorians to create life - and Anakin was born of the midichlorians himself - as Ep. 1 lays out and Palpatine learned how to manipulate the midichlorians under the tutelage of Darth Plagus - is it not possible that PALPATINE CREATED ANAKIN ? Remember in Ep.2 how Yoda and Mace Windu comment that their ability to use the Force has diminished after the mysterious Sifo Dyas basically created a gigantic clone army and deleted records in the Jedi Archives right under their collective noses. I mean it is possible that Qui-Gon was wrong, and that Anakin was not merely the chosen one, but rather a Sith creation planted amongst the Jedi to bring about their inevitable demise as part of Palpatine’s master plan. Also note, how the dialogue in the movie hints at a long-standing relationship between Palpatine and Anakin at the beginning of Ep.3

b2. This theory also has some credence because if Yoda is so powerful how could they not sense that Palpatine, a super powerful Sith lord, right under their very noses. He does seem to sense that Anakin was not on the up and up - but despite his better judgment yields to Qui-Gon’s insistence on the ‘prophecy’.

Ep. 3 basically lays out how the Jedis got played over the previous centuries like fools by this bad ass Sith, Palpatine.

c. This raises the question that the entire story arc of Eps. 1-3 was part of Palpatine’s grand scheme to destroy the Jedi by using their own ‘prophecy’ against them.

d. Also, note that Yoda says in Ep.3 that it was possible that the prophecy was misinterpreted. So is it not possible that LUKE SKYWALKER and NOT ANAKIN was the one destined to bring ‘balance to the force’ ?

I don’t know but that little conversation blew shit up for me. That alone makes the movie. Yeah, the acting sucked, but overall it was a fun movie. Not perfect, but damn good nonetheless.

Just throwing this out there - wonder what your thoughts are…

-max[/quote]

You hit upon a lot of things I actually thought.

I found the prequel to be a very deep story, but not put out as well as it could have been. I had to point out to my Sister-in-law after she had seen I that while it seemed like the good guys won, it was actually putting Palpatine in power, so he won no matter what.

Now I believe it was from starwars.com that I read that Palpatine was able to hide his face, but using his energy exposes it.

I do have some problems with things though, like how Leia remembered her Mother from childhood.

I figure it is fun to watch, and that was good enough.Not to mention that so many movies just suck, (where are all the plots?) that this was really not bad compared to those.

I wonder if Lucas would be willing to license others to make movies in his universe?

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OK fellas,

Here is a link to what is purpotedly the original script, with all the stuff that ended up on the cutting-room floor included for you to read and review:

http://scripts.cgispy.com/newsboard.cgi?action=view&num=2&user=script

I’m not reading it until I see the movie…