[quote]MMA101 wrote:
Guys, with respect you are mostly bodybuilders or people who lift just to be big and strong. So dont think your routines are always suitable for someone training for sport, especially something as demanding as Judo.
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Any one who has done Judo can tell you tell you that being strong is beneficial for Judo.
Look up Rhadi Ferguson.
[quote]MMA101 wrote:
Pressing a dumbell is different to a Barbell, you have more movement and range of motion.
I press Kettlebells so I am not against pressing at all, just with a Barbell you are locked into that position.[/quote]
Ahh ok. So your body mysteriously knows the difference between what type of weight is being pressed. Good to know that a dumbell bench press DOESN’T count as a bench press.
Good night my ass, 2:30 or not you’re still full of shit.
[quote]MMA101 wrote:
Pressing a dumbell is different to a Barbell, you have more movement and range of motion.
I press Kettlebells so I am not against pressing at all, just with a Barbell you are locked into that position.[/quote]
It’s still a bench press. You’re stretching my friend.
[quote]Shagohod wrote:
MMA101 wrote:
Guys, with respect you are mostly bodybuilders or people who lift just to be big and strong. So dont think your routines are always suitable for someone training for sport, especially something as demanding as Judo.
Any one who has done Judo can tell you tell you that being strong is beneficial for Judo.
Look up Rhadi Ferguson.[/quote]
Seriously, MMA101 you should refrain from handing out advice around here, all you’ve displayed so far is a glaring ignorance regarding the subject matter.
[quote]Shagohod wrote:
MMA101 wrote:
Guys, with respect you are mostly bodybuilders or people who lift just to be big and strong. So dont think your routines are always suitable for someone training for sport, especially something as demanding as Judo.
Any one who has done Judo can tell you tell you that being strong is beneficial for Judo.
Look up Rhadi Ferguson.[/quote]
shahohod not to pick on you but if you knew about Rhadi or read his articles or ever trained with him like I have , you would know that he is not an advocate of the bench, over other work.
that being said, MMA101 you are still a beginner who is misinformed.
stop handing out advice till you have done some more years yes, years of training.
All you are doing is showing both inexperience and ignorance and that you have never trained
anywhere with people who know anything.
we need a fucking sticky about shit like this.
to post all brotard training questions in one thread.
kmc
ao MMA101 is 18 I guess we should have figured that out.
kmc
A nice little HL video, one of my favorites, to bring back some positivity to this mess. Just watch and enjoy the judo everybody.
Love,
JR
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
Shagohod wrote:
MMA101 wrote:
Guys, with respect you are mostly bodybuilders or people who lift just to be big and strong. So dont think your routines are always suitable for someone training for sport, especially something as demanding as Judo.
Any one who has done Judo can tell you tell you that being strong is beneficial for Judo.
Look up Rhadi Ferguson.
shahohod not to pick on you but if you knew about Rhadi or read his articles or ever trained with him like I have , you would know that he is not an advocate of the bench, over other work.
that being said, MMA101 you are still a beginner who is misinformed.
stop handing out advice till you have done some more years yes, years of training.
All you are doing is showing both inexperience and ignorance and that you have never trained
anywhere with people who know anything.
we need a fucking sticky about shit like this.
to post all brotard training questions in one thread.
kmc
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Not to pick on you, but I never said that Rhadi advocated bench pressing, did I? All I said was that Rhadi advocated strength training. I have heard him say it in person (he did a short seminar at my club some months back). Whether he uses kettlebells extensively or not, I have no idea.
But I GUARANTEE that he would never, ever say that barbells were detrimental in any way to lifing for Judo, which MMA101 seems to think it is. That’s why I used him as an example.
To be sort of on topic, when I was training BJJ 4 days a week I was using a 3 day WS4SB split with an extra conditioning/speed day. That seemed to work fine for me. As my technique got better, I was able to apply my strength and conditioning to rolling with much bigger opponents.
One would think any general program focused on strength with concessions to mobility and conditioning should work for most martial artists at the sub professional level. I don’t think there can be dispute about that.
in the show human weapon the two fighters held their own rather well, but when the mma guy went against the judo master the judo master won the most one sided fight i’d ever seen
[quote]Shagohod wrote:
kmcnyc wrote:
Shagohod wrote:
MMA101 wrote:
Guys, with respect you are mostly bodybuilders or people who lift just to be big and strong. So dont think your routines are always suitable for someone training for sport, especially something as demanding as Judo.
Any one who has done Judo can tell you tell you that being strong is beneficial for Judo.
Look up Rhadi Ferguson.
shahohod not to pick on you but if you knew about Rhadi or read his articles or ever trained with him like I have , you would know that he is not an advocate of the bench, over other work.
that being said, MMA101 you are still a beginner who is misinformed.
stop handing out advice till you have done some more years yes, years of training.
All you are doing is showing both inexperience and ignorance and that you have never trained
anywhere with people who know anything.
we need a fucking sticky about shit like this.
to post all brotard training questions in one thread.
kmc
Not to pick on you, but I never said that Rhadi advocated bench pressing, did I? All I said was that Rhadi advocated strength training. I have heard him say it in person (he did a short seminar at my club some months back). Whether he uses kettlebells extensively or not, I have no idea.
But I GUARANTEE that he would never, ever say that barbells were detrimental in any way to lifing for Judo, which MMA101 seems to think it is. That’s why I used him as an example.[/quote]
I dont think Barbell training is bad for Judo at all, just the over use of the bench press.
[quote]MMA101 wrote:
I dont think Barbell training is bad for Judo at all, just the over use of the bench press.
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Oh, so now it’s overuse. I got you. Its easy to argue when you keep changing the premise, isn’t it?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
MMA101 wrote:
I dont think Barbell training is bad for Judo at all, just the over use of the bench press.
Oh, so now it’s overuse. I got you. Its easy to argue when you keep changing the premise, isn’t it?[/quote]
So it would seem…
I have obviously expressed my views incorrectly for people to think this. The only point I made was that I think their are better options for martial arts than the Barbell exercises, not that are are bad at all.
Seems to me you’ve been drinking the kettle bell cool aid, you been hanging around with too many have a go strength coaches with kettle bell certs? Because im definatly feeling that vibe from your posting
[quote]MMA101 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
admbaum wrote:
This thread is hysterical. One of my MMA coaches is a body builder. He runs the 40 in like 5 seconds. Fighters lift, true. Training like a body builder will make a fighter slow, true. Lifting like a fighter will improve your speed and power, true. 1 day a week is not enough. I train combat sports almost everyday and I lift 3 days a week. My strength, speed, and agility increases with progressive loading and the way I lift and put my exercises together. Just google some of Randy Couture’s barbell circuits and compare that to how a body builder like Ronnie Coleman lifts. Its completely different. I’ve said this in a few threads; sport specific training requires training a sport specifically. Saying a fighter shouldn’t lift is like saying a sprinter shouldn’t squat.
Its not a Judoku, here’s some food for thought
I think people on this board simply tell people not to let lifting take over their training at the expense of skillwork.
I’d say most guys (and the women) here lift at least twice a week. And not many of us shy away from bench pressing… it’s just another exercise in the toolbox.
But I guess the REAL martial arts trainers laugh at it… whoever the fuck they are…
All I can say is all the top MMA strength and conditioning coaches do not have their fighters do bench presses. I am not aware of the exact reasoning but I guess it is because it is an isolation exercise and you are never going to be laying flat on your back pushing your hands up unless you want to get armbarred.
The video that someone posted is the type of exercises you want to be doing for Judo as the ts is. His will be more tailored towards Judo of course, with exercises where he can mimick gripping and throwing, resistance bands maybe?
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In Judo, you often end up on your back with your opponent laying across your chest. Benching has plenty of caryover in that instance.
To the OP, I practice Judo a couple times a week, lift 3 times a week, and do some sort of conditioning 3-4 times a week.
If 1 day a week is all you have time for, then a full body routine would be the way to go. Incorporate some explosive exercises and some power exercises. For example:
Hang cleans
Front squats
Speed bench
DB rows
or
Speed pulls
Back squat
OHP
Pullups
If you can get 2 lifting days a week in, you could do both. Unilateral work can be subbed in too… swap back squats for bulgarian split squats. Change the hang cleans to DB cleans. Ultimately, you want to develop speed and strength as Judo requires quickness and strength. You also want to maintain or improve you flexibility as well, so a dynamic warmup prior to the workout (and before practice) and some static stretching could be added after. Foam roll anytime.
If you do actually get 3-5 Judo practices in, that should be plenty for grip and conditioning (assuming you do rondori in each class).