Starting Judo, Lifting Once/Week?

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[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
MMA101 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
MMA101 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
admbaum wrote:
This thread is hysterical. One of my MMA coaches is a body builder. He runs the 40 in like 5 seconds. Fighters lift, true. Training like a body builder will make a fighter slow, true. Lifting like a fighter will improve your speed and power, true. 1 day a week is not enough. I train combat sports almost everyday and I lift 3 days a week. My strength, speed, and agility increases with progressive loading and the way I lift and put my exercises together. Just google some of Randy Couture’s barbell circuits and compare that to how a body builder like Ronnie Coleman lifts. Its completely different. I’ve said this in a few threads; sport specific training requires training a sport specifically. Saying a fighter shouldn’t lift is like saying a sprinter shouldn’t squat.

Its not a Judoku, here’s some food for thought

I think people on this board simply tell people not to let lifting take over their training at the expense of skillwork.

I’d say most guys (and the women) here lift at least twice a week. And not many of us shy away from bench pressing… it’s just another exercise in the toolbox.

But I guess the REAL martial arts trainers laugh at it… whoever the fuck they are…

All I can say is all the top MMA strength and conditioning coaches do not have their fighters do bench presses. I am not aware of the exact reasoning but I guess it is because it is an isolation exercise and you are never going to be laying flat on your back pushing your hands up unless you want to get armbarred.

Wait- bench press is an isolation exercise? Seriously?

It is quite an isolated movement yes. Very different to how ts will be moving in Judo.

Again, it can be done if ts wants to, but it’s not the type of exericse a Judoka would want to be doing regularly and leading up to a competition.

How much judo have you actually played??
got that Keru obi?
go ahead google that and come back.

do you teach? you rocking the shodan ?
not so much.

how much time have you actually trained?
how many times a day, week ect. and for how many years.

and to qoute Dan John if the bench is an isolation exercise, while your doing it if I stick a fork in your calf would it change your ability to bench?
get a clue.

go back to the rock you crawled out of

kmc

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I train 4-5 times a week BJJ/ Wrestling/ Thai and MMA, and strength and conditoning twice a week.

I do not claim to be an expert, i’m just saying a lot of advice given here could be much better on the sports specific side, i.e martial arts.

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[quote]admbaum wrote:
I bench. I’m a fighter. I also do a bunch of other things a bodybuilder does. Fighters can learn from bodybuilders and coexist. I have mad respect for anyone that has a goal and works their asses off to meet them. To go back to the point here; TS it would be in your best interest to lift more than 1 day a week if you want to increase your abilities in any sport.

Judo is one of my favorite grappling MA’s and it does require a bit of strength when you face an opponent of equal skill. I run into this issue a lot in jitz tourneys, especially in the open weight classes. I need strength to enhance my technique when I go against guys that outweigh me by more than 100lbs. You’ll love Judo. I do. [/quote]

I agree with this.

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[quote]MMA101 wrote:

I do not claim to be an expert, i’m just saying a lot of advice given here could be much better on the sports specific side, i.e martial arts.
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Oh thank god! I was worried I was doing too many isolation exercises like bench presses and squats. Thanks for saving us!

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
MMA101 wrote:

I do not claim to be an expert, i’m just saying a lot of advice given here could be much better on the sports specific side, i.e martial arts.

Oh thank god! I was worried I was doing too many isolation exercises like bench presses and squats. Thanks for saving us! [/quote]

Your rather pathetic. You probably think your an expert but your clearly not.

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[quote]kmcnyc wrote:

The bench does not translate to the kind of strength you use in wrestling or judo as well as other kinds of movements, like big pulls, big cleans, big rows, and big deadlifts.

no one hates the bench, its just not the best way to train as a grappler-
its hard on the shoulders, impacts flexibility, and other methods are more sound.
thats all.

now how much judo have you trained?
how many years did you compete in judo,
or greco, or even HS wrestling.

right.

kmc[/quote]

See, I would think having a good bench would be beneficial no matter what. It certainly isn’t essential, but being strong in that horizontal plane of pushing can’t harm you.

Plus, if you build up your back to the extent that a grappler inevitably will, you’ll need an exercise that you can use for the front half to even things out, lest you create a massive muscular imbalance that could lead to injury.

I do agree that is very hard on the shoulders, however. I have only recently gotten back to benching, and I certainly think that my years of benching incorrectly contributed directly to my shoulder issues.

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True but bad logic, in that case the leg press would be better than the squat. The bench is only bad if its over used or it fucks your shoulders (pretty much true with any exercise) and LMAO at top sc coaches in mma. How the hell did they get that title.

Lets see Sherk Benches, Couture, Cock Chestnar, Lacheetah, A Silva, GSP and yet there are fighters who don’t like BJ, and Nick Diaz, So bench if you want to do another exercise if you don’t dips, push ups no one exercise is truly better when something like Judo or mma is your goal, I really doubt you will lose because your opponent benches more.

As an extra I remember reading Neil Melanse posts on Elitefts he used to condition Karo Parisyan, he said they would do sledgehammer work, Zerchers and Cleans. His sample workout was Power Clean, Push Press and Squat 3x3 twice a week the rest was just mat conditioning.

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[quote]MMA101 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
MMA101 wrote:

I do not claim to be an expert, i’m just saying a lot of advice given here could be much better on the sports specific side, i.e martial arts.

Oh thank god! I was worried I was doing too many isolation exercises like bench presses and squats. Thanks for saving us!

Your rather pathetic. You probably think your an expert but your clearly not.[/quote]

Don’t mind me. I’m just going back to doing my compound isometric reversible exercises like curls and kickbacks with the pink dumbells. Will those make me a better fighter, Oh Great One? Or should I just continue doing useless isolation ones like the bench press, which the great minds in sports science LAUGH at?

Please get back to me soon. i’m so lost…

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“Back in the games, my maximum bench press was 510. I can furl 220 pounds. squat 700 to 800 pounds, depending on the day-and depending on the spotters.” —Ricardo Blas Jr.,Olympic judo competitor. Quoted in esquire magazine, march 09. THE END

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
MMA101 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
MMA101 wrote:

I do not claim to be an expert, i’m just saying a lot of advice given here could be much better on the sports specific side, i.e martial arts.

Oh thank god! I was worried I was doing too many isolation exercises like bench presses and squats. Thanks for saving us!

Your rather pathetic. You probably think your an expert but your clearly not.

Don’t mind me. I’m just going back to doing my compound isometric reversible exercises like curls and kickbacks with the pink dumbells. Will those make me a better fighter, Oh Great One? Or should I just continue doing useless isolation ones like the bench press, which the great minds in sports science LAUGH at?

Please get back to me soon. i’m so lost… [/quote]

Ok this is just getting silly now.

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[quote]drewh wrote:
True but bad logic, in that case the leg press would be better than the squat. The bench is only bad if its over used or it fucks your shoulders (pretty much true with any exercise) and LMAO at top sc coaches in mma. How the hell did they get that title.

Lets see Sherk Benches, Couture, Cock Chestnar, Lacheetah, A Silva, GSP and yet there are fighters who don’t like BJ, and Nick Diaz, So bench if you want to do another exercise if you don’t dips, push ups no one exercise is truly better when something like Judo or mma is your goal, I really doubt you will lose because your opponent benches more.

As an extra I remember reading Neil Melanse posts on Elitefts he used to condition Karo Parisyan, he said they would do sledgehammer work, Zerchers and Cleans. His sample workout was Power Clean, Push Press and Squat 3x3 twice a week the rest was just mat conditioning. [/quote]

This is the type of stuff ts should be doing.

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Should I stop squatting because the odds are low that I will have someone on my shoulders but have to reach down and pick up my wallet? I can see now how squats are useless. I bet the great minds in MMA training laugh at them too.

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[quote]MMA101 wrote:

Ok this is just getting silly now.
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No, you know what’s fucking “silly?” You coming on here and telling me that the bench press is “quite an isolation exercise.” That’s fucking silly.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Should I stop squatting because the odds are low that I will have someone on my shoulders but have to reach down and pick up my wallet? I can see now how squats are useless. I bet the great minds in MMA training laugh at them too.
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You can do what ever you want…

All I said is there are better exericses to do regularly than stuff like bench pressing, deadlifts etc. Not that they are useless, they are much better than doing nothing (for Judo).

It has been taken way out of proportion, I guess that’s what happens on forums…

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[quote]MMA101 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Should I stop squatting because the odds are low that I will have someone on my shoulders but have to reach down and pick up my wallet? I can see now how squats are useless. I bet the great minds in MMA training laugh at them too.

You can do what ever you want…

All I said is there are better exericses to do regularly than stuff like bench pressing, deadlifts etc. Not that they are useless, they are much better than doing nothing (for Judo).

It has been taken way out of proportion, I guess that’s what happens on forums…[/quote]

And you were told that you are wrong. Weightlifting, when kept in the right parameters, has never been bad for any fighter.

And I’m still waiting for your explanation about how the bench press is “quite an isolation exercise.” If you can come up with that, it might just vindicate all your happy horseshit here.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
MMA101 wrote:

Ok this is just getting silly now.

No, you know what’s fucking “silly?” You coming on here and telling me that the bench press is “quite an isolation exercise.” That’s fucking silly.[/quote]

IT IS TOO ISOLATED FOR FIGHTING

In Judo you will be using a more varied range of motion. Again, it’s still better than doing nothing but it’s not recommended to be a staple exercise for fighters.

So the bench press is not a sports specific exercise for a Judo player… that is all, this isn’t breaking news or anything but you obviously don’t know it yet.

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Ahhh ok, I remember you. You’re the one that advocated the 300 Spartans workout to Parker. That, to me, says enough about whatever training “knowledge” you might claim to have.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Ahhh ok, I remember you. You’re the one that advocated the 300 Spartans workout to Parker. That, to me, says enough about whatever training “knowledge” you might claim to have.[/quote]

That is your answer? Completely irrelevant, who on earth is Parker?

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[quote]MMA101 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
MMA101 wrote:

Ok this is just getting silly now.

No, you know what’s fucking “silly?” You coming on here and telling me that the bench press is “quite an isolation exercise.” That’s fucking silly.

IT IS TOO ISOLATED FOR FIGHTING
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Oh Ok. So you don’t use your pectorals, triceps, or deltoids in fighting. I got you.

By who? Randy Coutore? What about all the fuckin fighters that DO bench press, as Drew said? It’s a tool dipshit, do different or better or worse than dips or pushups.

The only thing “specific” to Judo is DOING judo. That’s the best benefit. But if he is looking to be overall stronger, which will DEFINITELY help his game, then benching, squatting, deadlifting, and the like, will be beneficial to him.

You don’t have any logic behind your argument, and between your garbled up crap and your stats of being 5’10" and 155, I question how much you know about training to any degree.

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I just looked through to see who Parker was, someone needed to get in shape fast so I recommended a good workout DVD by one of the best strength and conditioning coaches in the world, OMG, what a crime.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
MMA101 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
MMA101 wrote:

Ok this is just getting silly now.

No, you know what’s fucking “silly?” You coming on here and telling me that the bench press is “quite an isolation exercise.” That’s fucking silly.

IT IS TOO ISOLATED FOR FIGHTING

Oh Ok. So you don’t use your pectorals, triceps, or deltoids in fighting. I got you.

In Judo you will be using a more varied range of motion. Again, it’s still better than doing nothing but it’s not recommended to be a staple exercise for fighters.

By who? Randy Coutore? What about all the fuckin fighters that DO bench press, as Drew said? It’s a tool dipshit, do different or better or worse than dips or pushups.

The only thing “specific” to Judo is DOING judo. That’s the best benefit. But if he is looking to be overall stronger, which will DEFINITELY help his game, then benching, squatting, deadlifting, and the like, will be beneficial to him.

You don’t have any logic behind your argument, and between your garbled up crap and your stats of being 5’10" and 155, I question how much you know about training to any degree.

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I have the same opinions on you too, you seem like someone who does train fighting but is using the wrong tools for your conditioning.