[quote]caveman101 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I reckon people that say squats don’t grow their quads aren’t doing high enough reps[/quote]
If this won’t grow quads, then they’re a damn cyborg designed with shitty quads:
High bar back Squat:
175kg 3x2, 165kg x4, 155kg x6, 145kg x8, 135kg x10, 125kg x12, 115kg x14, 105kg x16, 95kg x18, 85kg x20
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That makes me want to throw up just looking at it.
OP it sounds like you need to get some Oly shoes and squat like an olympic weightlifter.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
OP it sounds like you need to get some Oly shoes and squat like an olympic weightlifter. [/quote]
x2, and I didn’t even read the fucking thread, or the OP.
yeah what’s up
Low to moderate reps back squats for strength
High rep front squats for size.
Seems to be working for me atm.
Funnily enough, biggest growth spurt i had with my legs was using a modified 21’s scheme. It was called the matrix principle, cant remember the exact # of reps or if there were squats involved, but a leg press set consisted of full reps followed by half reps then full reps again, somewhere around the 20+ rep range. My legs exploded! Mind you i was an 18 yo newbie at the time
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]RampantBadger wrote:
I’d be interested to see a vid of 500lb squatters with zero muscle. [/quote]
This is one of the strength coaches from the PL gym I used to train at. He had a 611 squat in his most recent meet and doesn’t exactly have big legs. Idk if this is what you’re looking for, but you can definitely hit 500-600lb squat without much size to your legs. [/quote]
He definitely has muscle. Ethan stated you could squat 500+ and not even look like you lift, that of course is utter bullshit.
[quote]RampantBadger wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]RampantBadger wrote:
I’d be interested to see a vid of 500lb squatters with zero muscle. [/quote]
This is one of the strength coaches from the PL gym I used to train at. He had a 611 squat in his most recent meet and doesn’t exactly have big legs. Idk if this is what you’re looking for, but you can definitely hit 500-600lb squat without much size to your legs. [/quote]
He definitely has muscle. Ethan stated you could squat 500+ and not even look like you lift, that of course is utter bullshit.[/quote]
Yea,of course, I agree with you there. My point was that it’s totally possible without getting “big” legs by BB standards (even natty). But I have yet to see the guy who squats 500+ that doesn’t look like he lifts. Eric Cressey’s another example of a tiny dude with some pretty big numbers. Idk if he’s ever done a 500+ squat, but probably close.
I think newbs just getting started with goals of bigger legs might be misguided to focus on just getting their 1rm over some arbitrary threshold and expecting they’re legs to magically grow as big as they always dreamed. Just because you don’t see 500lb squatters with small legs, doesn’t mean it is THE WAY to big legs. In fact, you’d see much more growth by steadily increasing your 10, 15, and 20rm.
My legs have responded rather quickly already!
I start leg training with Front Squats 3x5 working sets
Then I do Back Squats 2x5 working sets
After this I have been doing 2 sets of leg press 10+ reps with complete control,no bouncing.
I am adding in Leg Extensions for sets of 15-30+ here and there, but mostly just sticking with doing the above 3 three times a week (wed-fri-sun)
Looks like all I had to do was increase my squat reps to strictly FIVES ; do both kinds of squats in same workout, go balls to the wall on FRONT first , and add some leg press for higher reps. Lol easy solution. Already have 0.3 growth , lol newb volume gains lol
Thread summary: OP claims squats are overrated for bodybuilding. Most posters tell him, non-sense, just train higher rep BB style squats. OP decides to do 5 sets of 5 squats anyway, dismissing not only any advice given, but his own sentiment at the start of the thread.
lol
I don’t really understand the confusion here. Bodybuilding = TUT (Time under Tension) principles
What Haney was doing was maximizing time under tension and volume, using a pre-exhaustion technique. Legs can take a lot of volume, doing heavy squats will limit your volume, good for strength, not good for bodybuilding.
Also, powerlifting (I’m a powerlifter) uses a different squatting technique to maximize posterior chain involvement, which has a greater potential for strength. Big quads do not equal big squats (Dave Tate talks about this). Big posterior chain equals big squats (powerlifting big means 500-800 lbs. raw). Powerlifting squat = legs out wide, toes pointed slightly out. Regular back squat = legs shoulder width, toes straight ahead. For hypertrophy (quad focus), people will use front squats, elevate the heels, use a narrower stance, or use a smith machine – nothing wrong with any of these techniques, it depends on your goals and training experience. Powerlifters could care less about these techniques and really don’t care about their damn quads either.
The average joe can do squats and should do them, because you can still get high volume if you use less weight (widowmaker sets a good example). If you are a pro bodybuilder, then usually you will be using much higher volume, advanced techniques, and a boat-load of drugs. 95%+ of people that work out for hypertrophy will never be pro bodybuilders and should be doing squats.
[quote]QTip wrote:
I don’t really understand the confusion here. Bodybuilding = TUT (Time under Tension) principles
What Haney was doing was maximizing time under tension and volume, using a pre-exhaustion technique. Legs can take a lot of volume, doing heavy squats will limit your volume, good for strength, not good for bodybuilding.
Also, powerlifting (I’m a powerlifter) uses a different squatting technique to maximize posterior chain involvement, which has a greater potential for strength. Big quads do not equal big squats (Dave Tate talks about this). Big posterior chain equals big squats (powerlifting big means 500-800 lbs. raw). Powerlifting squat = legs out wide, toes pointed slightly out. Regular back squat = legs shoulder width, toes straight ahead. For hypertrophy (quad focus), people will use front squats, elevate the heels, use a narrower stance, or use a smith machine – nothing wrong with any of these techniques, it depends on your goals and training experience. Powerlifters could care less about these techniques and really don’t care about their damn quads either.
The average joe can do squats and should do them, because you can still get high volume if you use less weight (widowmaker sets a good example). If you are a pro bodybuilder, then usually you will be using much higher volume, advanced techniques, and a boat-load of drugs. 95%+ of people that work out for hypertrophy will never be pro bodybuilders and should be doing squats.[/quote]
You’re pretty. Seriously. I like this.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Thread summary: OP claims squats are overrated for bodybuilding. Most posters tell him, non-sense, just train higher rep BB style squats. OP decides to do 5 sets of 5 squats anyway, dismissing not only any advice given, but his own sentiment at the start of the thread.
lol[/quote]
LOL. You got to understand my old training routine(for powerlifting) had me essentially just doing low bar back squats for a training cycle of 2x10 down to 2x1, and most my time was spent in the 1,2,3,5 rep range using that form.Whenever i was using 8-10 reps at the beginning of the periodization cycle, the weight was such a joke it wasn’t even doing much, especially with that form and in only 2 sets.
I think it’s the Front Squats + Narrow Back Squats + doing Leg Press for high reps following the 3x5 of each. 3x5 for 2 quad dominant movements is 30 reps in the 80%+ range;it’s actually quite a bit of volume!
=p
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Thread summary: OP claims squats are overrated for bodybuilding. Most posters tell him, non-sense, just train higher rep BB style squats. OP decides to do 5 sets of 5 squats anyway, dismissing not only any advice given, but his own sentiment at the start of the thread.
lol[/quote]
Ethan’s trolling is matched only by his stupidity.
[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Thread summary: OP claims squats are overrated for bodybuilding. Most posters tell him, non-sense, just train higher rep BB style squats. OP decides to do 5 sets of 5 squats anyway, dismissing not only any advice given, but his own sentiment at the start of the thread.
lol[/quote]
Ethan’s trolling is matched only by his stupidity.
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Plus a memory so bad that he makes the average goldfish look like Raymond Babbit.
I’d love to see some of these internet keyboard warriors outlift me, because I know 95% of them don’t, and the ones that do have been lifting longer than 1 year and 8 months. Just saying.
Since we’re talking about stupidity, let’s see a 3.7+ GPA while you’re at it. In a real college with real classes that are actually hard like Medical Chemistry,Microbiology,etc.
Come on , you have such big mouths, let’s see some 300+ bench and 400+ squat videos or 3.7+ GPA transcripts?
I agree, squats have done jack shit for my legs. The only thing squats did for me was give me a huge arse, tbh I’d nearly go as far as saying that they ruined my physique, I realised too late that I was glute dominant, I took all that “squats and milk” bro-science bullshit as gospel.
Now I just do shit loads of reps on leg extension then follow up with different variations of sissy squats/hindu squats, I have to stay on my toes keep the stress on my quads. This means less weight, but I figure you don’t need to go as heavy if you’re not utilizing your hams and glutes as much. I am slowly making progress with this.
[quote]QTip wrote:
Regular back squat = legs shoulder width, toes straight ahead.[/quote]
nope
[quote]Ethan7X wrote:
I’d love to see some of these internet keyboard warriors outlift me, because I know 95% of them don’t, and the ones that do have been lifting longer than 1 year and 8 months. Just saying.
Since we’re talking about stupidity, let’s see a 3.7+ GPA while you’re at it. In a real college with real classes that are actually hard like Medical Chemistry,Microbiology,etc.
Come on , you have such big mouths, let’s see some 300+ bench and 400+ squat videos or 3.7+ GPA transcripts?[/quote]
LOL compensating for something, Ethan? No-one cares about your GPA or your internet numbers. You spend most of your time trolling or offering advice above your station - people on this forum judge you by these actions and words, not your “IRL” attributes.
[quote]Ethan7X wrote:
I’d love to see some of these internet keyboard warriors outlift me, because I know 95% of them don’t, and the ones that do have been lifting longer than 1 year and 8 months. Just saying.
Since we’re talking about stupidity, let’s see a 3.7+ GPA while you’re at it. In a real college with real classes that are actually hard like Medical Chemistry,Microbiology,etc.
Come on , you have such big mouths, let’s see some 300+ bench and 400+ squat videos or 3.7+ GPA transcripts?[/quote]
The fact is, you lie so much that you can’t keep your story straight. If I’m wrong, explain how it is that you’ve spent the last week or so lamenting your lack of quad growth, trained exclusively for powerlifting/ strength for the past 1.5 years and also somehow managed to fit in a stint of Nubret-style training where, and I quote, your legs “literally blew up”?
Amazing how these crazy productive dalliances with other training methods just magically appear.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Ethan7X wrote:
I’d love to see some of these internet keyboard warriors outlift me, because I know 95% of them don’t, and the ones that do have been lifting longer than 1 year and 8 months. Just saying.
Since we’re talking about stupidity, let’s see a 3.7+ GPA while you’re at it. In a real college with real classes that are actually hard like Medical Chemistry,Microbiology,etc.
Come on , you have such big mouths, let’s see some 300+ bench and 400+ squat videos or 3.7+ GPA transcripts?[/quote]
The fact is, you lie so much that you can’t keep your story straight. If I’m wrong, explain how it is that you’ve spent the last week or so lamenting your lack of quad growth, trained exclusively for powerlifting/ strength for the past 1.5 years and also somehow managed to fit in a stint of Nubret-style training where, and I quote, your legs “literally blew up”?
Amazing how these crazy productive dalliances with other training methods just magically appear. [/quote]
QFT
Why is this faggot bragging about a 300 bench and 400 squat? Unless you’re doing 400b/500s/600d+ you shouldn’t be bragging about anything.