[quote]chobbs wrote:
[quote]PlainPat wrote:
[quote]chobbs wrote:
“IIFYM isn’t optimal for fat loss or size development”
believes tilapia thins your skin[/quote]
I inject ground tuna directly into my hamstrings 4x a day am i natty???[/quote]
If it’s less than 1 gram per day…yes[/quote]
Lmao who was it that put up that video that if you take nothing your natural, under 1 gram is natty and anything above 1g is unnatural
[quote]PlainPat wrote:
[quote]chobbs wrote:
[quote]PlainPat wrote:
[quote]chobbs wrote:
“IIFYM isn’t optimal for fat loss or size development”
believes tilapia thins your skin[/quote]
I inject ground tuna directly into my hamstrings 4x a day am i natty???[/quote]
If it’s less than 1 gram per day…yes[/quote]
Lmao who was it that put up that video that if you take nothing your natural, under 1 gram is natty and anything above 1g is unnatural[/quote]
Jason blaha maybe?
Man, this place blew up. I’ll try to hit some points:
Carbs at night are great for me, no idea why. I used to do the whole Dante ‘carb-cutoffs’ and all, and it made me feel sleepy all day and I looked horrible. Ever since doing carb backloading, I’ve felt, performed, and looked way better. Carbs late at night get me better sleep, I have more consistent energy levels, and I always look my best when following the principles.
I don’t really pick at stuff all day. I eat everything kind of in a small window of time, I just kind of naturally am a binge eater, fast and fast style type person. I used to do the 6 meals every 2-3 hours and that kept me feeling hungry allll day, never full. Sucks.
I PERSONALLY think those who say they had better results with real shakes vs food are missing some micronutrients in their overall diet that some whole foods are giving them, or they don’t deal well with whey or whatever shakes they are using. I use a vegan protein that is extremely easy on my stomach. I can literally drink it, wait 5 minutes, go sprint and feel fine, when with whey that wasn’t the case. Whey and oats make me bloated and feel like crap, so those foods I don’t eat. I think everyone should always cut out foods that they don’t agree with.
FlipCollar, I’m not sure about the sugar they. I’ve never really monitored my sugar intake, just overall carb intake. Why do you think it hinders fat loss? I’m not being a smart-ass, I just don’t know why it would.
Ryan has been one of the most helpful people I’ve ever met with lifting. We seem to have similar builds, athletic backgrounds, and eating habits, and any advice he’s ever given me has been really good, natty or not.
I really hope this discussion continues, it’s very interesting, and know I’m here to learn like everyone else, and find this all really informative. I’m taking everyone’s advice into consideration, so no one feel this is falling on deaf ears.
I’m banking on some newb reading this and trying to inject fish oil into their hammies for gains now lol
Ohh yeah I also trained today. I started Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell and finished it this morning. Was a REALLY good read, but I stayed up late and woke up early, so training wasn’t great.
Lower Light
Squat: I tried widening my stance, i feel I don’t have the wide enough to sit ‘between’ my legs, and makes the bar get ahead of me. However, I think I went to wide, felt like all posterior chain, no Quads, so I didn’t push the weights today
300x7
265x5 (paused)
230x5 (paused)
Deficit SG DL:
195x5
225x5
250x5
SLDL’s:
225x2x10
B Split Squats: I meant to video form but was rushed.
155x2x8
Abs
Was quick easy workout, but definitely need to adjust my stance on Squats. Also 2 of my comments made into Omar Isuf’s video, so I’m basically famous now
Upper Light
Flat BB: I feel like I’m never in the zone for my first working set. Idk why. Like I had 8 reps in me, easy, and it’s like all the sudden I’m just ‘done’.
210x7
185x10
165x12
Incline: RP sets are odd
155x5
115x14+6+6 = 26
BB Rows ~SS~ Band Pull-Aparts: Rows were from a small deficit, and each rep was paused
135x4x10-12
Greenx4x15
Laterals ~SS~ OH Shrugs:
15’sx3x15
95x3x15
BB Curls: A lot fewer sets than last time
45x50+25+25=100
15 mins fartlek run
Welp, that was all. Something is off. It can’t be calories, because I’m still eating more than enough. I think maybe I need to just get on a better sleep schedule or something, just feeling ‘off’.
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Squat: I tried widening my stance, i feel I don’t have the wide enough to sit ‘between’ my legs, and makes the bar get ahead of me. However, I think I went to wide, felt like all posterior chain, no Quads, so I didn’t push the weights today
300x7
265x5 (paused)
230x5 (paused)
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What I notice with my squat (slightly wider than shoulder so I suppose it would be wide stance) is that it takes weight near my current max to cause me to feel my quads working.
More stims
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Squat: I tried widening my stance, i feel I don’t have the wide enough to sit ‘between’ my legs, and makes the bar get ahead of me. However, I think I went to wide, felt like all posterior chain, no Quads, so I didn’t push the weights today
300x7
265x5 (paused)
230x5 (paused)
[/quote]
What I notice with my squat (slightly wider than shoulder so I suppose it would be wide stance) is that it takes weight near my current max to cause me to feel my quads working.[/quote]
Hmm, ok that makes since. I’ll be Squatting a bit heavier Saturday, so I’ll keep with it. I think right now my stance is maybe just at inside shoulder width, and I need it just a bit wider because of the length of my legs.
[quote]chobbs wrote:
More stims [/quote]
Confession: I’ve used NO-Explode twice to play basketball (idk why lol), but other than some coffee I’ve never used stims pre-WO really in any way.
are you telling me theres another way to take fish oil other than melting it down in a spoon and injecting it subcutaneously with an insulin needle?!??!?!
on squatting wide: think a lot more people should be closer stance squatters than they want to admit, i tried to force wide for so long because everyone told me to and when I just went shoulder width or tiny bit beyond my squat blew up lol and hasnt stopped either
[quote]PlainPat wrote:
are you telling me theres another way to take fish oil other than melting it down in a spoon and injecting it subcutaneously with an insulin needle?!??!?!
on squatting wide: think a lot more people should be closer stance squatters than they want to admit, i tried to force wide for so long because everyone told me to and when I just went shoulder width or tiny bit beyond my squat blew up lol and hasnt stopped either[/quote]
Yeah that’s the thing, I’m not even sure if mine is shoulder width. Like I basically just Squatted about one step out each side from my DL stance. But I realized my DL stance is extremely narrow, like maybe a tennis ball could fit between my heels. So I think my ‘wide’ may be others ‘medium’. I’ve been Back Squatting almost like I front Squat, which probably isn’t great lol
[quote]PlainPat wrote:
are you telling me theres another way to take fish oil other than melting it down in a spoon and injecting it subcutaneously with an insulin needle?!??!?!
on squatting wide: think a lot more people should be closer stance squatters than they want to admit, i tried to force wide for so long because everyone told me to and when I just went shoulder width or tiny bit beyond my squat blew up lol and hasnt stopped either[/quote]
The hip mobility needed for a waked stance is crazy and I am no where near that. I mean to do a good wide squat not just do a squat with a wide stance. Agreed a lot
Spidey thanks man I try to help or at least show there are other ways to do things to at least try. Many people refrain from the extremes or experimenting because it’s against the grain or crazy but will never know unless it’s tried. Simple as that
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]PlainPat wrote:
are you telling me theres another way to take fish oil other than melting it down in a spoon and injecting it subcutaneously with an insulin needle?!??!?!
on squatting wide: think a lot more people should be closer stance squatters than they want to admit, i tried to force wide for so long because everyone told me to and when I just went shoulder width or tiny bit beyond my squat blew up lol and hasnt stopped either[/quote]
Yeah that’s the thing, I’m not even sure if mine is shoulder width. Like I basically just Squatted about one step out each side from my DL stance. But I realized my DL stance is extremely narrow, like maybe a tennis ball could fit between my heels. So I think my ‘wide’ may be others ‘medium’. I’ve been Back Squatting almost like I front Squat, which probably isn’t great lol[/quote]
My dead stance is very comfortable close like that as well, maybe a little bit wider but not much… always inside the knurling
Bro, you’re already famous. YouTube star circa 2009, amirite??
Also, I second carbs at night. I front load fats and backload carbs, though I have small amounts here and there before the majority late.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Bro, you’re already famous. YouTube star circa 2009, amirite??
Also, I second carbs at night. I front load fats and backload carbs, though I have small amounts here and there before the majority late.[/quote]
LOL shhhhhh, don’t tell anyone about that haha
Yeah, I’ve really found pretty consistent energy levels with eating a moderate amount of fat in the mornings, fueling my workout pretty well. More so than carbs pre-WO did. Carbs pre-WO always were hit and miss whether they’d end up making me crash halfway through.
I have a question for everyone. What’s everyone’s opinion on these 2 options
A. 1 ‘top’ set, followed by a few ‘back-off’, lower weight sets
B. More sets, 3-6, of straight or similar weights, no real ‘top’ set
I’m asking just because I’m not sure what kind of progression model I like with my main lifts. I’ve had success with Ed Coan, never getting close to failure for a few sets of straight weight, and I’ve gotten success with Big Beyond Belief, just going to failure in almost drop-set style. I know hitting rep PR’s is best thing for me when progressing, over a multitude of rep ranges, but I’m not sure much more.
My issue is I feel even when ‘holding back’, when doing all out sets, I burn out easier. Just want some opinions.
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Bro, you’re already famous. YouTube star circa 2009, amirite??
Also, I second carbs at night. I front load fats and backload carbs, though I have small amounts here and there before the majority late.[/quote]
LOL shhhhhh, don’t tell anyone about that haha
Yeah, I’ve really found pretty consistent energy levels with eating a moderate amount of fat in the mornings, fueling my workout pretty well. More so than carbs pre-WO did. Carbs pre-WO always were hit and miss whether they’d end up making me crash halfway through.
I have a question for everyone. What’s everyone’s opinion on these 2 options
A. 1 ‘top’ set, followed by a few ‘back-off’, lower weight sets
B. More sets, 3-6, of straight or similar weights, no real ‘top’ set
I’m asking just because I’m not sure what kind of progression model I like with my main lifts. I’ve had success with Ed Coan, never getting close to failure for a few sets of straight weight, and I’ve gotten success with Big Beyond Belief, just going to failure in almost drop-set style. I know hitting rep PR’s is best thing for me when progressing, over a multitude of rep ranges, but I’m not sure much more.
My issue is I feel even when ‘holding back’, when doing all out sets, I burn out easier. Just want some opinions. [/quote]
Progression is the key always. I like both. Done both an both are fun. The second one allows dbl progress. Progress reps then weight and you are almost always moving forward. Since it’s easy to tack a rep on normally. Also I think easier to see if you are doing too much. But I think both are great and can even switch depending on time
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Progression is the key always. I like both. Done both an both are fun. The second one allows dbl progress. Progress reps then weight and you are almost always moving forward. Since it’s easy to tack a rep on normally. Also I think easier to see if you are doing too much. But I think both are great and can even switch depending on time [/quote]
Hmmm alright thanks for the input. The comment on ‘double’ progress makes sense.
Today’s Lifting
Flat BB: Just made reps fast, didn’t really push it today
185x5x5
Incline BB: Will go up in weight when I’m hitting some like 25-30rp
135x11+5+3 = 19
Deadstop Chins ~SS~ Band Delt Flies: these were ‘pronated’ so technically pull-ups I guess
BWx4x7
Rdx4x20
Leaning Laterals ~SS~ Straight Arm Pulldowns:
25’sx3x15
Gnx3x30
Swiss Bar Curls: Super strict
45x4x8-12
Band Pushdowns: I like the 100 rep BB curls, but I know doing the same with extensions would wreck my elbows, so going to use bands
Gnx70+30=100
Really good workout. Felt nice with the straight sets. May use them for a little while, not sure really. Don’t mind changing my rep schemes as long as I’m hitting PR’s along the way.
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
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I’m sure others can give you a better answer to this, but my understanding is the overall hormonal/metabolic response in the body that is triggered by sugar intake is different from complex carbs. I know the insulin response/spike is different. My own experience has shown me that this is key for me to make that next ‘leap’ in my diet. I don’t think it matters too much if we’re just talking about getting from, say, 15% to the 10-12 range. But below that, I think more factors start to matter. That being said, I’m all for keeping sugar in your diet if you can reach your goals without eliminating it.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
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I’m sure others can give you a better answer to this, but my understanding is the overall hormonal/metabolic response in the body that is triggered by sugar intake is different from complex carbs. I know the insulin response/spike is different. My own experience has shown me that this is key for me to make that next ‘leap’ in my diet. I don’t think it matters too much if we’re just talking about getting from, say, 15% to the 10-12 range. But below that, I think more factors start to matter. That being said, I’m all for keeping sugar in your diet if you can reach your goals without eliminating it.
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You mind expanding on this? I have never seen this only in studies in insulting resistant population ie diseased (hopefully not us). And when eaten alone ie not a mixed meal with pro and vegg. Also as spidey eats from what i have seen is similar to me, in windows of feeding his system will have many other nutrients that digested still and floating around that should very much negate the effect of insulin spike from sugar. Also keeping insulin quiet for a large portion of the day is key IMO to be handle carbs better lose fat and tap body stores better. But again just opinions from way too much reading but interested to hear your anecdotes If you’re kind enough to share
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
I have a question for everyone. What’s everyone’s opinion on these 2 options
A. 1 ‘top’ set, followed by a few ‘back-off’, lower weight sets
B. More sets, 3-6, of straight or similar weights, no real ‘top’ set
[/quote]
So I am still too new to state that one might be better than another. My guess, as others stated, is that both can work and perhaps it would be good to rotate or select for certain desired outcomes.
Currently I am following your #1 above. But - the top set is not a max set. The highest I am going is 90% for one rep of an ‘everyday’ max. So like the classic 531 with a max based upon 90% of your true max. This set is to ‘over warm-up’. Then the back off sets are where the work is. With the goal to make the back-off sets stronger, easier and with less rest before increasing weight.
Two things I notice on this: 1) I am less beat up and am not burning out at all. I have not felt the need for any de-loading for the two months that I am doing this so far. 2) I am gaining weight faster at the same calorie level. And this is not a good thing. I am gaining fat too quickly.
My previous routine was based upon CT’s strength circuits, where I lifted a maximal weights every day with a short-rest allowance. Of course, his routine was based upon a 6 week cycle that I extended for months. So of course there was burn-out. But the intensity and short rest-breaks seemed to use more calories than what I am doing now.
Anyway, not exactly an answer to your question but my two cents / input.