I’m humbled…
After reading Poliquins article, I tried them (Snatch Grip Deadlifts on a platform…actually, on 2-45lb plates each foot).
All I can say is that I had to take about 1/2 the weight off from my regular Deadlift and do 1/2 weight.
And I needed to use straps, too.
If you’ve not tried them…do it…if you can eat humble pie that is.
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
I’m humbled…
After reading Poliquins article, I tried them (Snatch Grip Deadlifts on a platform…actually, on 2-45lb plates each foot).
All I can say is that I had to take about 1/2 the weight off from my regular Deadlift and do 1/2 weight.
And I needed to use straps, too.
If you’ve not tried them…do it…if you can eat humble pie that is.
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I have recently added deads from a 3" platform and my weights went down drastically, but they are coming back up. I was having problems at the bottom of my lift, and Phill recommended them. My max DL has gone up by 40lbs in the past 5 or 6 weeks just by training deeper than usual.
I haven’t tried the snatch grip yet, but I get a cheat meal on Saturday, so it sounds like a good day for some humble pie. No straps though. If I can’t pick it up with my bare hands, I have no use for it.
The biggest thing for me was that the snatch-grip deads asked alot more of the lower back. I tried them after not having deadlifted for awhile and my lower back could not handle them at all. It is coming around though… And actually I feel them a ton in my obliques…
I just started doing them the day before CP article came out as a part of Neanderthal No More. I’m taking the beggining of the year to cut some fat I’ve gained and fix up my posture.
But yea, very humbling. About half the normal weight is right. The entire back of my shoulder girdle still aches today.
[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
The biggest thing for me was that the snatch-grip deads asked alot more of the lower back. I tried them after not having deadlifted for awhile and my lower back could not handle them at all. It is coming around though… And actually I feel them a ton in my obliques…[/quote]
(lower back>) well they should, as you are going down lower.
I use 25 pound plates instead of 45’s. Do you suppose this is about the same thing as using a box with the 45’s? Or am I just fooling myself?
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
I use 25 pound plates instead of 45’s. Do you suppose this is about the same thing as using a box with the 45’s? Or am I just fooling myself? [/quote]
Not sure what you’re asking, dude.
If you mean is the height of (2) 25’s equal to (2) 45’s, then I’d say that it’s a minimal difference, if there is any at all.
Not clear what you mean about “using a box with the 45’s” though.
[quote]Modi wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
I’m humbled…
After reading Poliquins article, I tried them (Snatch Grip Deadlifts on a platform…actually, on 2-45lb plates each foot).
All I can say is that I had to take about 1/2 the weight off from my regular Deadlift and do 1/2 weight.
And I needed to use straps, too.
If you’ve not tried them…do it…if you can eat humble pie that is.
I have recently added deads from a 3" platform and my weights went down drastically, but they are coming back up. I was having problems at the bottom of my lift, and Phill recommended them. My max DL has gone up by 40lbs in the past 5 or 6 weeks just by training deeper than usual.
I haven’t tried the snatch grip yet, but I get a cheat meal on Saturday, so it sounds like a good day for some humble pie. No straps though. If I can’t pick it up with my bare hands, I have no use for it.[/quote]
Normally I’d agree with the “no straps” thing…however due to the width of the grip, it caused my grip to fail (around the pinkies) rather quickly. Too quickly…and my thumb/forefinger had to take the brunt of the weight. And they did’nt last too long, let me tell you!
Anyway, let us know how it goes when you try them.
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Modi wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
I’m humbled…
After reading Poliquins article, I tried them (Snatch Grip Deadlifts on a platform…actually, on 2-45lb plates each foot).
All I can say is that I had to take about 1/2 the weight off from my regular Deadlift and do 1/2 weight.
And I needed to use straps, too.
If you’ve not tried them…do it…if you can eat humble pie that is.
I have recently added deads from a 3" platform and my weights went down drastically, but they are coming back up. I was having problems at the bottom of my lift, and Phill recommended them. My max DL has gone up by 40lbs in the past 5 or 6 weeks just by training deeper than usual.
I haven’t tried the snatch grip yet, but I get a cheat meal on Saturday, so it sounds like a good day for some humble pie. No straps though. If I can’t pick it up with my bare hands, I have no use for it.
Normally I’d agree with the “no straps” thing…however due to the width of the grip, it caused my grip to fail (around the pinkies) rather quickly. Too quickly…and my thumb/forefinger had to take the brunt of the weight. And they did’nt last too long, let me tell you!
Anyway, let us know how it goes when you try them.
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I was using straps on these for the first few weeks, but found that using chalk + hook grip works just as good. Of course you need to break it in as it hurts like hell at first, but after the first 2-3 times it’s fine. I prefer this way now over straps.
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
I use 25 pound plates instead of 45’s. Do you suppose this is about the same thing as using a box with the 45’s? Or am I just fooling myself?
Not sure what you’re asking, dude.
If you mean is the height of (2) 25’s equal to (2) 45’s, then I’d say that it’s a minimal difference, if there is any at all.
Not clear what you mean about “using a box with the 45’s” though. [/quote]
I disagree and I think I get pete’s question. I do not think the difference in the radius of a 25 lb. plate vs. a 45 lb. plate is a full 4 inches, but I think it would be pretty close. Granted, I have never gone and brought a tape measure to the gym to figure out how much smaller the radius of a 25 lb plate is versus a 45 lb plate.
The only thing I don’t like about any deficit style deadlifts is that it is murder on my spine. I have injured my back a few different times in my life and it was usually when I was in a forward lean position, so I try to avoid those kinds of movements now where possible (i.e. good mornings or using more weight than I should on a squat and bending forward at the waist while in the hole).
I have done SG DLs in the past and found them to be pretty tough. Tried them last night on a 5" box that I made for SL DLs. Did 5x3 with a bit less than half of my max and woke up with tight shoulder girdle, lower back and abs. Pretty good stuff.
When I first started doing them, I used straps, as my grip was not near as good as with regular DLs. However, my grip did get better with time.
Best-
BVL
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
I use 25 pound plates instead of 45’s. Do you suppose this is about the same thing as using a box with the 45’s? Or am I just fooling myself? [/quote]
I use 25’s for all of my from the floor movements, Pendlays, DL Variations ( like you stated you yourself do ) Old School Hack Squat, etc.
25’s will increase the ROM. This is good. However it’s not quite the same as executing the movement from a platform. If the platform is really small, I can’t tell much difference.
Regardless I would keep DL with small plates as long as you can fit more of them on the bar. Glad to see I am not the only guy who lifts from the floor with smaller plates.
Tried out the snatch grip deadlifts last night. Was doing sets of 3 at 275 lbs (raw). I definitely like them better and will be incorporating them into my work outs for now on.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
I use 25 pound plates instead of 45’s. Do you suppose this is about the same thing as using a box with the 45’s? Or am I just fooling myself? [/quote]
Pete,
When I first started deadlifting with a deficit, I actually started by using the 35lb plates, and was going to go to the 25lb plates instead of the box. The problem is that sometimes the box is where it’s supposed to be and sometimes it’s MIA.
The other thing is that the 25’s all migrate to the other side of the gym, so the squat racks are full of 45’s with one or two 35’s, 25’s and down the line. I find it easier to track down the 3" box than drag a dozen 25lb plates across the gym. Lazy? Yeah, that’s probably it.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
I use 25 pound plates instead of 45’s. Do you suppose this is about the same thing as using a box with the 45’s? Or am I just fooling myself?
Not sure what you’re asking, dude.
If you mean is the height of (2) 25’s equal to (2) 45’s, then I’d say that it’s a minimal difference, if there is any at all.
Not clear what you mean about “using a box with the 45’s” though.
I disagree and I think I get pete’s question. I do not think the difference in the radius of a 25 lb. plate vs. a 45 lb. plate is a full 4 inches, but I think it would be pretty close. Granted, I have never gone and brought a tape measure to the gym to figure out how much smaller the radius of a 25 lb plate is versus a 45 lb plate.
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Ahhhh…I see what Pete was asking, now.
Are normal deadlifts better for your legs since you can handle more weight?
What is the difference in muscles worked between the deadlift and snatch grip dead?
Cool. Sounds like I am not a fool for using the 25’s. They dont have a box at the gym I go to, but they have plenty of 25’s near the squat rack (LOL). I am the only person I have seen do deadlifts, and one of a handful of people I have seen doing squats.
anyone try single limb snatch grip deadlifts? Youch on youch
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
anyone try single limb snatch grip deadlifts? Youch on youch[/quote]
Actually, that sounds pretty impossible.
Assuming you’re not pulling our collective leg…how the heck can you pull those off?
EDIT: Other than only one side of the bar staying on tht ground, that is.