[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
I’m not sure what your point is. My point is this: Weightlifting is neither necessary nor desireable for EVERYONE. For some people, it would not help and might hurt them.
I’m sure everyone at this site would say that if only Joe Frazier had used such-and-such program, his punching power would have increased. But that’s nonsense. It’s like saying if only Arnold had used the [insert favorite author’s name] Method, he would really have made progress. LOL.
The dogma around here is worse than what I’ve seen in any church.[/quote]
Then fucking go somewhere else, Jesus Christ.
You bitch, moan, and complain about every fucking thing that’s written, and then act as if you have all the knowledge. Shut the hell up already. You ain’t smarter than anyone else.
My point was that I have always thought that a strong boxer would be better if he was doing something like O-lifting that gave an already explosive athlete more explosive force. I don’t see how this is so far fetched.
Besides this, Frazier also said in the book that his son uses weight training on all of his boxers, and that there’s a big difference in philosophy there. But then I guess he wouldn’t know what he’s talking about either, because he’s never been the champ…right?
You have some good points, but you are an arrogant fuckin pric that likes to start problems. Do it on some other site if it pisses you off that much. Either that, or get off the goddamn rag.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Then fucking go somewhere else, Jesus Christ.
You bitch, moan, and complain about every fucking thing that’s written, and then act as if you have all the knowledge. Shut the hell up already. You ain’t smarter than anyone else.
My point was that I have always thought that a strong boxer would be better if he was doing something like O-lifting that gave an already explosive athlete more explosive force. I don’t see how this is so far fetched.
Besides this, Frazier also said in the book that his son uses weight training on all of his boxers, and that there’s a big difference in philosophy there. But then I guess he wouldn’t know what he’s talking about either, because he’s never been the champ…right?
You have some good points, but you are an arrogant fuckin pric that likes to start problems. Do it on some other site if it pisses you off that much. Either that, or get off the goddamn rag.[/quote]
Nice tirade.
Of course weightlifting is often helpful. I never said otherwise. But that idea that it would be helpful to EVERYONE in EVERY situation is dogma.
If I had a punch like Joe Frazier’s, I would not lift and risk injurying myself or screwing up any potential “x factor” that led to the punch.
If something is working, then it’s best not to screw around with it.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Powerlifters and olympic lifters compete in weight classes too. Since they already have an optimal amount of muscle, why should they keep lifting? Because there is more to lifting than hypertrophy. Educate yourself.
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A powerlifter who gains weight is likely gaining a lot of strength - enough strength that he might be competitive in a higher weight class. But strength is not supreme in professional fighting.
Based on your stats, you’re a pretty big guy. If you start fighting, you’re going to have to give seriosu thought to whether you’ll fight at 185 or 205. When you wrestle with this, you’ll see how sensitive fighters must be to their weight. Even good weight (i.e., muscle) can be a very bad thing.
I see your point and get where you’re going with this… But Sean Shrek is an example of why a person would NOT want to risk gaining weight fighting in a higher weight class - even if he could improve his bench press by a significant amount of weight.
I somewhat agree with Cali Law. It goes along with something I’ve read elsewhere, I don’t remember where though. It related to training professional athletes.
Basically, if a professional athlete makes it to elite level in his sport with his training program, you have to be very careful when changing his program. It doesn’t matter if it he made it where he is because of his natural talent or his training, the point is he’s there. Don’t change too much and jeopardize his elite status.
At the same time, if an athlete is not at a high level in his sport, and he’s not making progress, changes must be made in his program.