Why is it I get slammed on other boards for encouraging the use of Biotest Supplements. It happens at BB.com…I got to argue with MoFo’s particulary some tool name Bruce Kneller…
Bah I still try to puch Biotest over there reguardless and they don’t like it one bit, in fact he tends to slam the way we run the boards here…What gives my peoples…
[quote]iannotti wrote:
Why is it I get slammed on other boards for encouraging the use of Biotest Supplements. It happens at BB.com…I got to argue with MoFo’s particulary some tool name Bruce Kneller…
Bah I still try to puch Biotest over there reguardless and they don’t like it one bit, in fact he tends to slam the way we run the boards here…What gives my peoples…[/quote]
That tool used to write for us. He left to go write for Muscular Development, at which point he started slamming us.
It’s the classic Glenn Close, boiled bunnies response (from Fatal Attraction).
Last I heard, he’s awaiting trial for one of the largest steroid busts in history (he was caught making large amounts of pro-hormone after the government ban).
I think he works for Gaspari now…But anyways I got quite a few PMs asking about Biotest supplements most particular Flameout…I’ll send anyone interested to the proper place :)It seems many people are interested in Biotest, but there also a number of people that just smack talk so some people are somewhat uneducated about the quality of Biotest. Beta-7 is also an interest to the memebers there…
Ask the guy to produce specific scientific information that Biotest products don’t work, because we all know that the majority of products for sale at bb.com are junk and can be proven to be junk.
Someone at Biotest should have a board rep for Biotest’s products there…many people like Biotest, and I’m sure a Rep and a few sponsored logs could produce more Biotest customers! And your right, alot of that junk there is GARBAGE!
Time and time again the fitness/supplement industry continues to astonish me. I have no idea what it is about some of the people who work in this field, but it’s unlike any other business I can think of.
I mean, seriously… how many other industries can you picture some of the major figures getting into snit-fests on Internet forums? Yet, it happens all the time with coaches, trainers, gurus and supplement kings. Can you imagine the heads of Goldman Sachs and UBS doing this kind of thing?
If you go to other boards and (God forbid) say anything remotely positive about Biotest, you’re immediately branded as pimping. It’s just hilarious.
Yet, you will notice that kind of thing does not happen here from TC and the crew. Why? Because when you’re really damn good, you don’t need to justify yourself or engage in that crap. It’s pointless.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
Yet, you will notice that kind of thing does not happen here from TC and the crew. Why? Because when you’re really damn good, you don’t need to justify yourself or engage in that crap. It’s pointless.[/quote]
Which is one of the reasons I stuck around here (and buy Biotest products). People might be fooled by the humour and informality of the folks behind this place, but the truth is that I’ve seen nothing from them short of remarkably professional behaviour. They produce quality products, treat customers with respect, and back the free exchange of ideas and information.
I dig that.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
Yet, you will notice that kind of thing does not happen here from TC and the crew. Why? Because when you’re really damn good, you don’t need to justify yourself or engage in that crap. It’s pointless.[/quote]
It used to happen here. It’s one of the positive changes they’ve made recently.
-Dan
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
It used to happen here. It’s one of the positive changes they’ve made recently.
-Dan[/quote]
Agreed. I’d rather hear about how good Biotest’s stuff is than hear about how other people’s stuff is the shits.
And as far as people flaming Biotest goes, anyone who’s actually used the products knows they’re good. Truthfully, I haven’t used any other supplement companies stuff in more than a few years now.
The Velocity Diet specifically is the proof is in the pudding deal, for anyone with enough determination to complete it. That’s an insane diet, and one that would generally cause muscle wasting something awful, but due to the amino complex of Metabolic Drive, the womp ass muscle sparing effects of A7E and HOT-ROX and the recovery ability of Surge, WHAM, stronger and leaner. It’s a diet based off of ALL supplements, and it works. That speaks volumes for Biotest alone.
So screw the haters. Let them use their Redline and NOX. I’ll stick with what gets me leaner, bigger and denser. That’s Biotest.
Not to mention, the best training info in the world comes with, free to boot, even if you don’t order anything. Not trying to swing from the sac, but I really do believe highly in Biotest. I’ve used a lot of their supplements, and couldn’t say a bad thing about any of them. Biotest works. Bottom line.
Kubo
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
Kuz wrote:
Yet, you will notice that kind of thing does not happen here from TC and the crew. Why? Because when you’re really damn good, you don’t need to justify yourself or engage in that crap. It’s pointless.
It used to happen here. It’s one of the positive changes they’ve made recently.
-Dan[/quote]
I, by and large, think that anything in that vein tended to be about other products generally and less calling out a specific competitor by name. The one divergence is the Muscle Milk piece done by Dave Barr which was (a) very well done and not unprofessional and (b) was more about glycocamine.
But I am all for the free exchange of ideas on things. Heck, one of my favorite things used to be the Supplement Review from EAS TC used to do back in the day.
Well if anything, the flaming by some has sparked interest about Biotest products…I dunno if thats good or bad, But i just send them the link to the T-Nation Store and they can read the info themselves…the info and supplements have impressed me…
I kind of get the feeling the crowd at BB.com are a diferent make than the crowd here.
I found this site from a link in a thread at bb.com, in fact it was a link to the muscle milk aticle which spoke of glycocyamine. I thought the article was very good. When I continued to read at bb.com and they called the people here "too hard core bodybuilding, “too mean,” and “rude.” My curiosity was peaked and I was pretty much sold this was the place for me.
The only time I have gone back to bb.com is from yahoo searches for supplements when I dont know where the link will take me.
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
Kuz wrote:
Yet, you will notice that kind of thing does not happen here from TC and the crew. Why? Because when you’re really damn good, you don’t need to justify yourself or engage in that crap. It’s pointless.
It used to happen here. It’s one of the positive changes they’ve made recently.
-Dan[/quote]
The Biotest sups are the best. This is from a guy who couldn’t stomach any protein powder until I tried the Metabolic Drive in vanilla…I actually like drinking it.
Conviced me. Fuck the other ones.
Biotest supps are solid. obv
Maybe all of the guys flaming on other boards could use some…Flameout?
for real though, Biotest brings the heat. Continually revamping products when they are able to make them better, discontinuing products that fell short of the mark, and bringing new products that have never been done before. Sounds like a plan to me.
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
Kuz wrote:
Yet, you will notice that kind of thing does not happen here from TC and the crew. Why? Because when you’re really damn good, you don’t need to justify yourself or engage in that crap. It’s pointless.
It used to happen here. It’s one of the positive changes they’ve made recently.
-Dan[/quote]
Very recently, Dave Barr’s Muscle Milk Article for example. Great article, but from the point of view of discouraging use of another company’s product.
[quote]Carbon-12 wrote:
buffalokilla wrote:
Kuz wrote:
Yet, you will notice that kind of thing does not happen here from TC and the crew. Why? Because when you’re really damn good, you don’t need to justify yourself or engage in that crap. It’s pointless.
It used to happen here. It’s one of the positive changes they’ve made recently.
-Dan
Very recently, Dave Barr’s Muscle Milk Article for example. Great article, but from the point of view of discouraging use of another company’s product.[/quote]
I looked at it as Dave Barr discouraging the use of a certain substance (glycocamine) rather than discouraging the use of a certain product. If Muscle Milk didn’t contain glycocamine, then I highly doubt he would have discouraged its use.
Judging by posts on this board in the two-plus years I have been a member, a number of other members use Muscle Milk on a regular basis. I don’t think it’s a bad idea to inform people that a potentially dangerous substance in a popular product could cause damage to the brain. And, as stated earlier, the articel was well-referenced and very professional.
Also, the bar Biotest sets for themselves is the highest in the industry, in my opinion. If that were not the case, you’d still see the original TRIBEX, RED KAT, and M at the Biotest Store.
They recognized that these products could either be improved upon or replaced by products that offer the same benefits but to a much higher degree.
And it may sound like I’m pimping Biotest. Fine. But as a struggling grad student who could easily justify purchasing shitty protein, creatine, fish oil, and t-boosters, I choose not to. Why? Because I’ve tried Biotest products along with similar products by other companies and Biotest wins hands-down every time. I bust my ass in the gym and eat right, so why should I compromise myself regarding supplementation?
And to the poster whose opinion that the Dave Barr article discouraged the use of Muscle Milk, the bulk of this post is not directed at you. I respect your opinion and understand why you have that perspective. I just ended up looking at it from a slightly different angle (the substance itself).
And you did say that it was a well-written article; I did see that, so don’t think the next paragraph is directed towards you, either.
My beef is with people that come in here, slam the free information given, then want to know about supplements manufactured by other companies that you can buy in the Biotest Store. I appreciate the restraint Biotest shows in these instances as well as the effort put in by the people there to keep producing great supplements.
Zed
I personally manage a supplement store here in Alberta and have yet to try a Biotest supplement other than ZMA.
Biotest products are carried by very few stores here in Canada and the ones that do stock the product charge an arm and a leg for it. I do believe in their products and would push them if they were on the shelves here.
I was looking to bring the majority of their products into my store and the problem that I discovered is that the price directly from the distributor is high here so they can not be profitable to sell.
At the current time it is likley cheaper for someone to buy from the store here on this site and pay to get them here rather than purchase from anyone directly in the country.
See YA
[quote]MikeKubo wrote:
buffalokilla wrote:
It used to happen here. It’s one of the positive changes they’ve made recently.
-Dan
The Velocity Diet specifically is the proof is in the pudding deal, for anyone with enough determination to complete it. That’s an insane diet, and one that would generally cause muscle wasting something awful, but due to the amino complex of Metabolic Drive, the womp ass muscle sparing effects of A7E and HOT-ROX and the recovery ability of Surge, WHAM, stronger and leaner. It’s a diet based off of ALL supplements, and it works. That speaks volumes for Biotest alone.
Kubo
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Yeah, because the idea of a PSMF is entirely unique…
You don’t think it’s at all humorous that the diet is based of ALL products?
If I ran a fruit store, I would let you know that it’s important to eat all different kinds throughout the week.
I have minimal experience with Biotest supplements. So far I have been using Carbolin 19 for almost 2 months. I have indeed noticed a change in body composition, almost in line with n00b gains in the sense that I’m gaining lean mass while burning fat.
To me that suggests a quality product.
One other thing I have noticed are the prices. I come here for information regarding supps. Sometimes if I get sold on an idea, I’ll search the web for better prices elsewhere. I have yet to find them. Especially with ZMA and BCAAs, Biotest simply blows the competition away.
I’ll definitely be purchasing more of your products. Keep up the good work.