[quote]fatcat wrote:
Digity wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
Because you can buy free range eggs?
“Free range” eggs is the biggest load of crock.
not when you buy actual small farm raised free range naturally fed chickens. they taste way better and sometimes you get a double yolk. that shit never happens with the eggs from the supermarket.[/quote]
I always get double yolks from the supermarket, and they fuck with my macros AND PISS ME OFF!22q2enq2in1in1kne1
Don’t think you have much in the way of muscle. Would recommend you add in 1 free weight exercise per workout - even just the bar or a pink weight. You will eventually discover if you actually are trying to put on muscle that machines are good but if used with free weight work you can amplify the results on the machines.
Experiment even just to learn proper form and technique with free weights 5-15 minutes out of your workout each time will give you a sense of what other options you have;along with a preview what is to come if you choose to go that route. A good foundation is always good to have for the future.
Just a something to think about later in the future when you do put on some muscle. Your calorie intake is awesome. 35-40+ over your weight is a guarantee that you are giving yourself enough protein to gain muscle. Now all that is left is training and rest. Good luck.
[quote]rxghost wrote:
Brant_Drake wrote:
Ok, not to be a dick, but if the only reason you are a vegetarian is because you “enjoy the life style,” I’d suggest you consider beginning to eat some meats (fish, as a starting point maybe). I can tell you already made lifestyle changes from things you enjoyed because you have a goal. So doing something just because you enjoy it is kinda a shitty reason.
Secondly, work towards working with free weights instead of machines. Free weights are superior in every way.
i think it’s a perfectly acceptable reason. i was born a vegetarian… and i plan to stay one.
i’ll stick with the machines for now.
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Let me explain my train of thought.
I grew up eating cake. I enjoy cake. Cake fucks up my physique goals, so I don’t eat cake now. I was born a cake liker, but I changed my ways because I value having a better body, cake be dammed.
Do you see what I’m saying?
I could have gotten to were I am now if I had been eating cake every day, but it would have been much harder and taken much longer. The same is true for the eating style you have adopted. Meat is a great fat-loss food as well as a muscle builder, so choosing to exclude it from your diet because that’s how you were raised is as detrimental to your goals as me continuing to eat cake everyday because that’s how I was brought up. I’m not trying to knock your choice, just stating that it’s a whole lot easier if meat is involved.
As for the free weights vs machines thing. You do know free weights burn more calories? Raise your heart rate more? Create more of an oxygen deficit? Work more muscles since you have to stabilize the load, ect? The advice we’re giving you is not arbitrary. It’s been backed up by years of real-world experiance.
What you’ve done in terms of diet and exercise has left you fat and flabby. If you stick with what you’re doing now, that’s never going to change. If you refuse to learn, well, stay fat and die.
If you really want to make a change, there’s a ton of great info and people that will be immensely helpful, if you’re willing to listen.
I dated a girl in college who was a vegetarian. She was also a competitive swimmer, but her dietary choices really held her back. Her Doctor had her practically living on protein supplements because of the stress she was putting her body under with her training. I’ve heard that Bill Pearl was a vegetarian, BUT he was also probably taking a handful of Dbols with each veggie burger.
As to your training… to be honest, if you’re hitting the weights hard,I’ve always felt that you need very little (if any) cardio to lose fat. COnsidering that you really don’t have any visible muscle in the first place, you might be better off just doing a basic 3-4 x a week workout, and if you still feel you need cardio (due to your former fat-boy mentality), keep a limit on it.
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Indeed as all the advice here has been, start using free-weights. Especially, as was noted earlier, to improve posture. In order to get the best out of your training you need to be using proper form which using free weights will train you to do. In doing so, you’ll improve posture. Hell, I used to have back upper back/shoulder pain especially riding to work (GSX750). After doing chins, rows, and deadlifts it cleared right up (after time obviously).
The last point, is that it is in now way obvious that you CANT lose fat whilst gaining muscle at the same time. Many people do it. That comes by eating clean (and not overeating) and training smart.
Dude, please, take heed from what people are saying. Some of the guys round here are really knowledgeable and its worth listening to what they have to say (and absorbing that knowledge).
And on a final note, which some here have addressed, I’ll put in my 2 cents regarding personal choice. Actually, I’ll let one of T-Nations ‘strong words’ quotes sum it up…
“If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.�??Rene Descartes”
Take that how you will.
[quote]Liquid447 wrote:
it prevents other chickens from being born, and subsequently being harmed.[/quote]
Brilliant!
You are on a good track, keep up the search and work.
Re think your eggs, you certainly can use more whole eggs. Re the range free, at one time I raised cattle, horses, rabbits, and my chickens ran free. I would first make sure my family had our supply, and had a line up of buyers for the rest. When you fry range free eggs, next to store eggs, in the same frying pan, anyone can see the difference, and shortly taste the difference.
Bill Pearl is a lacto ova vegan, and has a book out that we each should buy. Consider adding salmon or other fish into the diet. Also read what Poliquin thinks of fish oil. I take 12 to 15 1000mg a day, and I think it matters well. Pearl has/had a month Q&A in one of the magazines.
Protein drink wise, try the MD protein they sell here, I thoyught the choscolate was very good.
Any reason why you cant get protein from whey also as it only involves distillation from milk and not the killing of an animal… or is it just that eggs are better protein source?
I think increasing your protein intake is important; whey maybe a cost effective way to up your intake and you could use it in combination with egg protein…
You do abs-only and shoulders-only day? You don’t train bodyparts at least twice a week? No wonder you look like shit.
Eating meat would make things easier for you, but you like that meat-free lifestyle, no problem. You need to eat WAY less estrogenic protein. Do searches for articles on soy here.
To be honest you are sounding more and more like a troll (asking how to keep muscles when you have none, and trying to eat more soy for examples) so I’m hoping you will listen to advice more than to try to counter them.
umm…i dont know if im late, but dude, just V-Diet if you want to lose fat and keep “all that muscle you have” (still trying to find some of it) without eating meat and fish. Also, just go get a fitness magazine and read about bosu balls and colored weights. seems more to your fitting
[quote]BF Bullpup wrote:
You do abs-only and shoulders-only day? You don’t train bodyparts at least twice a week? No wonder you look like shit.
Eating meat would make things easier for you, but you like that meat-free lifestyle, no problem. You need to eat WAY less estrogenic protein. Do searches for articles on soy here.
To be honest you are sounding more and more like a troll (asking how to keep muscles when you have none, and trying to eat more soy for examples) so I’m hoping you will listen to advice more than to try to counter them.[/quote]
estrogenic protein will be replaced. i’ve read how soy is bad, etc.
a troll? nope.
[quote]ds77 wrote:
Any reason why you cant get protein from whey also as it only involves distillation from milk and not the killing of an animal… or is it just that eggs are better protein source?
I think increasing your protein intake is important; whey maybe a cost effective way to up your intake and you could use it in combination with egg protein…[/quote]
i’m already getting enough protein… in fact. i’m getting more protein than i should… about 192 grams of it. I just have to fix up my diet and get rid of the soy products.
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
rxghost wrote:
Brant_Drake wrote:
Ok, not to be a dick, but if the only reason you are a vegetarian is because you “enjoy the life style,” I’d suggest you consider beginning to eat some meats (fish, as a starting point maybe). I can tell you already made lifestyle changes from things you enjoyed because you have a goal. So doing something just because you enjoy it is kinda a shitty reason.
Secondly, work towards working with free weights instead of machines. Free weights are superior in every way.
i think it’s a perfectly acceptable reason. i was born a vegetarian… and i plan to stay one.
i’ll stick with the machines for now.
Let me explain my train of thought.
I grew up eating cake. I enjoy cake. Cake fucks up my physique goals, so I don’t eat cake now. I was born a cake liker, but I changed my ways because I value having a better body, cake be dammed.
Do you see what I’m saying?
I could have gotten to were I am now if I had been eating cake every day, but it would have been much harder and taken much longer. The same is true for the eating style you have adopted. Meat is a great fat-loss food as well as a muscle builder, so choosing to exclude it from your diet because that’s how you were raised is as detrimental to your goals as me continuing to eat cake everyday because that’s how I was brought up. I’m not trying to knock your choice, just stating that it’s a whole lot easier if meat is involved.
As for the free weights vs machines thing. You do know free weights burn more calories? Raise your heart rate more? Create more of an oxygen deficit? Work more muscles since you have to stabilize the load, ect? The advice we’re giving you is not arbitrary. It’s been backed up by years of real-world experiance.
What you’ve done in terms of diet and exercise has left you fat and flabby. If you stick with what you’re doing now, that’s never going to change. If you refuse to learn, well, stay fat and die.
If you really want to make a change, there’s a ton of great info and people that will be immensely helpful, if you’re willing to listen.[/quote]
lol, i’ve already made a hell of a change… my diet was complete horse shit before this; wayyy too many saturated fats, sugars, carbs, (too much bread, etc.) . I mean isn’t diet 80% of the equation? I know I’ve made good progress on that. Just have to fix up a few more things and it’s flawless imo. If anything I’ll just start combining free weights and machines.
[quote]philipj wrote:
Protein drink wise, try the Metabolic Drive protein they sell here, I thoyught the choscolate was very good.
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NICE… but i just bought ON 100% whey Double Chocalte… after i finish that I’ll check Metabolic Drive protein out.
[quote]rxghost wrote:
wayyy too many saturated fats,[/quote]
How does a vegetarian get too much saturated fat? They’re fairly rare in plant products, and with a diet you described I doubt you were getting too much coconut oil.
And saturated fat isn’t bad for you. It makes testosterone.
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
rxghost wrote:
wayyy too many saturated fats,
How does a vegetarian get too much saturated fat? They’re fairly rare in plant products, and with a diet you described I doubt you were getting too much coconut oil.
And saturated fat isn’t bad for you. It makes testosterone.
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the veggie burgers i had contained some saturated fats; cheeses (paneer); smartones pasta products… get the drift?
I don’t see how you guys can make out a figure in that picture. I swear everyone that posts pictures lives in some dungeon.
Your statement about gaining muscle and losing fat being impossible is short sighted. Just getting into serious weight training and a reasonable diet(even with your restrictions) will help you add muscle and lose bodyfat at the same time.
I definitely agree on some of the points made by others here:
Free weights are vastly superior to machines for all purposes.
You should be doing heavy (relatively low-rep) workouts to maintain (or even gain) mass and strength while you diet down. NOTE: A good alternative is German Volume Training (GVT) with short rest periods. This will generate a lot of lactic acid and hence, growth hormones. Result: more muscle AND less fat. There is no reason you can’t mix up these techniques in your program.
Keep cardio to a minimum and use High Intensity Interval Training to elevate your Basal Metabolic Rate.
Dump the body part training and focus on big, compound, multi-joint exercises (can’t use machines for these 8^).
Add healthy fats to your diet whenever you can. Nuts, olives(oil), avocado, eggs (with YOLKS!), natural peanut butter, etc. I think you’ve got this part down already but I’m just throwing it out there.
I also noticed your first meal is at 11am and your last is at 8pm. Why not get breakfast upon waking and then do a slow digesting meal before bed?
Congratulations on your fat loss. It looks like you’re on your way to an impressive change in your appearance and physical abilities. It must feel great, keep it up!
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
rxghost wrote:
ok maybe i should have said i was a lacto-ovo vegetarian.
anyways, i’m not a vegetarian because I have anything against killing animals. I simply just grew up around vegetarianism… and enjoy the lifestyle.
Anyways, how much more should I up my food intake by? Should I eat maybe 2100 a day? I can definately add more fat into my diet (some olive oil in cooking). I can add in more fruits and veggies as well throughout the day.
my workout plan is simple. I’m just lifting as heavy as I can using the weigh machines at the gym.
Mondays: Chest + Triceps, 15 min HIIT
Tuesdays: Abs, 20 min HIIT
Wednesdays: Biceps + Back , 20 minutes HIIT
Thursdays: Legs + 15 min HIIT
Fridays: Shoulders + 20 min HIIT
Sat & Sundays = Rest days
Ok, not to be a dick, but if the only reason you are a vegetarian is because you “enjoy the life style,” I’d suggest you consider beginning to eat some meats (fish, as a starting point maybe). I can tell you already made lifestyle changes from things you enjoyed because you have a goal. So doing something just because you enjoy it is kinda a shitty reason.
Secondly, work towards working with free weights instead of machines. Free weights are superior in every way.
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I agree I don’t get why all you guys got pissed off when people asked him why he was one if someone said they like the lifestlye of eating mcdonalds and cake we would all tell them to go fuck themselves.
O woops sorry brant drake already said what I said sorry I only read the first page. Also you have a terrible attitude I am glad you are getting what you deseve because you look horrible.