[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
It cracks me up that there are a few purple here saying “I know a guy who’s almost his size and definitely natural…”. Bullshit. First, the guy(s) you know might be big, but they’re nowhere near this dudes size or condition, and second, how do you know they’re natural? 'cause they told you they were? Do you know what they do when they’re not at the gym? People lie nonstop, especially when it’s to make themselves look “better”.[/quote]
Maybe because it’s a close friend I’ve known for years? I’ve known him since before he got into lifting and have witnessed his potential first hand. I can’t if say Simeon is or isn’t on gear, but I’ve got a pretty good handle on people I’m close with and see regularly.
I’m not asking you to believe me, I’m saying that I have no reason to assume that Mr. Panda is on something just because he “looks like it.” There are freaks all over the world and SOMEONE’s gotta be the freakiest.[/quote]
And close friends don’t lie, or if that’s too harsh, withhold certain truths from one another? Post a pic of your 10lb less and very lean buddy and we’ll go from there.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
If he says he’s natural, he’s natural in my book. Why should I care anyway? Why do YOU care?[/quote]
congrats on being very gullible, i care because he competes in natty shows when he obviously isnt natty. yet every idiot here beleieves he is natty just because he claims to be, mind you these are the same people that think that jeff willet (IFBB pro) is natty hahaha.[/quote]
Don’t they test at natty shows?
If they don’t (and I don’t understand why they wouldn’t - maybe natty comps use the “eye test” in discriminating non-naturals) why do you care so much?
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
If he says he’s natural, he’s natural in my book. Why should I care anyway? Why do YOU care?[/quote]
congrats on being very gullible, i care because he competes in natty shows when he obviously isnt natty. yet every idiot here beleieves he is natty just because he claims to be, mind you these are the same people that think that jeff willet (IFBB pro) is natty hahaha.[/quote]
Don’t they test at natty shows?
If they don’t (and I don’t understand why they wouldn’t - maybe natty comps use the “eye test” in discriminating non-naturals) why do you care so much?
You sound bitter and envious.[/quote]
and you sound like an idiot. the do test at natty shows but those test are easy to get around. i care so much because its wrong to claim natty when you arent. i do really envy his physique who wouldnt, but it still doesnt change the fact he isnt natty. why do people act like me calling him out is wrong and im just jealous, you would be suprised at how many “natty” competitors use.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
If he says he’s natural, he’s natural in my book. Why should I care anyway? Why do YOU care?[/quote]
congrats on being very gullible, i care because he competes in natty shows when he obviously isnt natty. yet every idiot here beleieves he is natty just because he claims to be, mind you these are the same people that think that jeff willet (IFBB pro) is natty hahaha.[/quote]
Don’t they test at natty shows?
If they don’t (and I don’t understand why they wouldn’t - maybe natty comps use the “eye test” in discriminating non-naturals) why do you care so much?
You sound bitter and envious.[/quote]
and you sound like an idiot. the do test at natty shows but those test are easy to get around. i care so much because its wrong to claim natty when you arent. i do really envy his physique who wouldnt, but it still doesnt change the fact he isnt natty. why do people act like me calling him out is wrong and im just jealous, you would be suprised at how many “natty” competitors use. [/quote]
So you’re saying, without any information on the guy besides pictures, that you can comfortably discern that he’s on steroids but organisers and the judges at these natty competitions (who also see him in person) can’t and therefore let him compete. Mind you, they probably talk to the competitors.
But let’s say they let him compete but he does indeed juice. What are the chances the other competitors also juice? Pretty high, I’d say.
So I’ve magically established that it really doesn’t matter, which ever way you look at it!
Alpha, KingBeef, Professor X…I guess they’re all just roid freaks. If you are so adamant about something being impossible naturally, why are you still lifting? I here CrossFit is nice this time of year, leave the iron to the rest of us. Maybe you guys should take up jogging, that’s more realistic.
At the end of the day, he’s achieved an impressive physique. How about focusing on getting one yourself instead of trying to tear another lifter down and question his character based on information you don’t have. I swear T-Nation is nothing but a bunch of whiney weak little bitches now, no wonder almost all the foundational members have left. You guys ran Aaron Clark off and when he finally DID start using and became an IFBB pro, he didn’t look back.
Think about all of the guys who could drop knowledge who left here? They left because all you guys do is cry and bitch instead of grabbing your balls and making yourself into what you want to be. Who gives a shit what anyone else is doing? Be inspired, admit they have accomplished a goal, and get back to lifting and eating!
So this guy is on drugs? KingBeef is Natty? Kingbeef and this guy both claim to be natty? Kingbeef and this guy are apparently roughly the same size? We believe Kingbeef but this guy is on drugs? Hmmmmmmmm, Interesting. We believe one guy but the other guy must be using? Why’s that? Also from what i remember both Alpha and Prof X both carried much higher bodyfat levels. Once they diet down to contest shape will they still be pushing mid 200s?
Aaron Clarke got flamed by Prisoner because he first claimed natty, then that he did a cycle of Epistane or something! Fair enough he denied it as he probably knew he’d want a carreer flogging supplements in the future. But no need to lie, just neither confirm on deny.
Give a toss who is natty and who isn’t. Everyone has access to gear. If you want to get big, and get big quick then give em a go. If your happy going at a slower pace and not getting half as big, then stay natural. Don’t piss and moan what someone else has decided to do when you can easily do the same.
If he wants to compete in a Micky Mouse Natural Comp then let him. If you are a life long natural then just avoid such Federations. Pretty Fecking simple!
I really do not know why these discussions come up!
[quote]Enray wrote:
Alpha, KingBeef, Professor X…I guess they’re all just roid freaks. If you are so adamant about something being impossible naturally, why are you still lifting? I here CrossFit is nice this time of year, leave the iron to the rest of us. Maybe you guys should take up jogging, that’s more realistic.
At the end of the day, he’s achieved an impressive physique. How about focusing on getting one yourself instead of trying to tear another lifter down and question his character based on information you don’t have. I swear T-Nation is nothing but a bunch of whiney weak little bitches now, no wonder almost all the foundational members have left. You guys ran Aaron Clark off and when he finally DID start using and became an IFBB pro, he didn’t look back. Think about all of the guys who could drop knowledge who left here? They left because all you guys do is cry and bitch instead of grabbing your balls and making yourself into what you want to be. Who gives a shit what anyone else is doing? Be inspired, admit they have accomplished a goal, and get back to lifting and eating!
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alpha isnt natty neither is profx. so now the people that dont believe someone is naty just beause they say the so, are little bitches. king beef i dont know if hes natty or not. although he is impressive, hes not as big as this guy.
AAS or not dude has put in work…but hes not natty bu a long shot…only if there was a defenative way to tell if anyone has EVER used AAS in their life…either way dam impressive.
I for one, want to be accused of steroid use. If I’m the one getting called for “random” drug testing at the end of the bodybuilding contest, or after setting down my 3rd deadlift attempt, it means I kicked ass and gave an unbelievable performance. I really just look to the fed that people are competing in for integrity standards and even then don’t judge much, given the illegal nature of steroids.
If we call out CURSED WRETCHED MUDBLOOD BLOOD TRAITOR FILTH for every impressive athlete on these boards, we’ll be left with a crew of people so unimpressive that they remove all doubt of their natural status. It’s shitty of these people to lie and then compete in natural orgs, but I really don’t care. It’s on the feds to check that, and on the athletes to compete against their true peers. The general public will continue to believe that only IFBB pros juice and not many else.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I don’t think it’s all that unreasonable for people to deny using steroids, they are illegal after all[/quote]
I agree but to get up on their high horse and deny it is another thing. Or to act completely insulted… just denying it is understandable.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I for one, want to be accused of steroid use. If I’m the one getting called for “random” drug testing at the end of the bodybuilding contest, or after setting down my 3rd deadlift attempt, it means I kicked ass and gave an unbelievable performance. I really just look to the fed that people are competing in for integrity standards and even then don’t judge much, given the illegal nature of steroids.
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LOL
been training 3-4 years minimum
weigh 210
bench 2 plates for single
deadlift 285
cant squat 3 plates
are you trying to claim natural status with those mind blowing stats?! GTFO!!
At the end of the day, he’s achieved an impressive physique. How about focusing on getting one yourself instead of trying to tear another lifter down and question his character based on information you don’t have. I swear T-Nation is nothing but a bunch of whiney weak little bitches now, no wonder almost all the foundational members have left. You guys ran Aaron Clark off and when he finally DID start using and became an IFBB pro, he didn’t look back.
Think about all of the guys who could drop knowledge who left here? They left because all you guys do is cry and bitch instead of grabbing your balls and making yourself into what you want to be. Who gives a shit what anyone else is doing? Be inspired, admit they have accomplished a goal, and get back to lifting and eating!
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^good post.
I can see how it might upset people that this guy acts holier than thou about not using, but as someone stated earlier let the federations handle that. Having competed in a natty fed, against others that used and won, guess what, they got caught. Echoing other posters, use this dude as an inspiration and possibly a reminder that you’re the only one putting limits on yourself.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I for one, want to be accused of steroid use. If I’m the one getting called for “random” drug testing at the end of the bodybuilding contest, or after setting down my 3rd deadlift attempt, it means I kicked ass and gave an unbelievable performance. I really just look to the fed that people are competing in for integrity standards and even then don’t judge much, given the illegal nature of steroids.
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LOL
been training 3-4 years minimum
weigh 210
bench 2 plates for single
deadlift 285
cant squat 3 plates
are you trying to claim natural status with those mind blowing stats?! GTFO!![/quote]
aren’t you the guy who can’t believe I weigh over 200 lean without benching well over 300? come at me bro