[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Rumour has it Silva is scared as shit. He knows Sonnen has the mental edge and it’s biting him. Sonnen is a smarter fighter than Silva so if it does go a few extra rounds I’m giving advantage to Sonnen.
Dana wants to see the title on Sonnen because he know he’d be a better ambassador for the sport. [/quote]
Lol.
You’re kidding right?
I dislike Sonnen a great deal, that being said i actually think he has a pretty decent chance to win this fight, because A) he has a great chin B) he is a great wrestler C) He might be in silva’s head? I’d still give a slight edge to Anderson though, just not nearly as big as everyone else is. I’d say like 60/40 Anderson/Chael.
Either way after this fight i’d like to see Anderson move up to fight Bones.
[quote]prestonjwes wrote:
Silva via first or second round K.O[/quote]
And you know this how?
Oh that’s right we’re all guessing huh?
[quote]zenontheterrible wrote:
Either way after this fight i’d like to see Anderson move up to fight Bones. [/quote]
Wow…you dislike Anderson that much?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]zenontheterrible wrote:
Either way after this fight i’d like to see Anderson move up to fight Bones. [/quote]
Wow…you dislike Anderson that much? [/quote]
I don’t like or dislike Anderson, or bones. I think they are both exciting fighters and it would be awesome.
[quote]zenontheterrible wrote:
I dislike Sonnen a great deal, that being said i actually think he has a pretty decent chance to win this fight, because A) he has a great chin B) he is a great wrestler C) He might be in silva’s head? I’d still give a slight edge to Anderson though, just not nearly as big as everyone else is. I’d say like 60/40 Anderson/Chael.
Either way after this fight i’d like to see Anderson move up to fight Bones. [/quote]
If I was on steroids like Sonnen was and I still couldn’t put away an injured Silva it wouldn’t give me any mental advantage to face him again clean. Or to look at it another way. If I had a broken rib (which is a real bitch to fight with) and someone on steroids still couldn’t put me away, I would feel very confident facing him again.
[quote]zenontheterrible wrote:
i actually think he has a pretty decent chance to win this fight, because A) he has a great chin.
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Leben has a ridiculous chin. Look what happened to him.
[quote]Thuggish wrote:
[quote]zenontheterrible wrote:
i actually think he has a pretty decent chance to win this fight, because A) he has a great chin.
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Leben has a ridiculous chin. Look what happened to him.[/quote]
true but silva’s strikes didn’t seem to phase sonnen last fight (and i honestly don’t buy the injured rib thing). I still think silva is better, but i also think people are silly to count sonnen out. Whoever wins though doesn’t matter to me, if sonnen wins it’ll be an exciting upset, and if silva wins i get to see sonnen lose (yay!).
[quote]humble wrote:
The only person around who can put Silva on his ass is Hector Lombard.
Easy night for Silva against Sonnen and no way can his jive talk can make him a better ambassador.
Better lap dog maybe, but not better ambassador.
Problem also is though, if Hector does get signed to the UFC, despite the excitement he will bring, the guy is pretty much a recluse and doesn’t like the attention or parading around so fat chance Dana will sign him.
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You are silly. Lombard would get tore up worse than Rich Franklin against Silva. Sure Lombard has one or two bombing punches and throws with a lot of aggression early in the fight, which looks good on a highlight reel. But he leaves himself wide open and you can’t do that against Silva.
Here he is in a full length fight defending his title at Bellator 34. - YouTube
[quote]Sifu wrote:
If I was on steroids like Sonnen was and I still couldn’t put away an injured Silva it wouldn’t give me any mental advantage to face him again clean. Or to look at it another way. If I had a broken rib (which is a real bitch to fight with) and someone on steroids still couldn’t put me away, I would feel very confident facing him again. [/quote]
I doubt Sonnen will be clean, he will have it out of his system by the fight time (hopefully) but he won’t be clean this time around either. He has been competing in wrestling since 9, cutting weight for over 20 years and training his ass off all that time, and he has been juicing, his T levels would be pretty fucked up for a person who has to train many hours a day for a high profile championship fight should he not juice for this fight. I don’t know if Silva knows that, and if he does he probably doesn’t care, all he can do at this point is drill sprawl after sprawl and hope everything goes fine.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
You are silly. Lombard would get tore up worse than Rich Franklin against Silva. Sure Lombard has one or two bombing punches and throws with a lot of aggression early in the fight, which looks good on a highlight reel. But he leaves himself wide open and you can’t do that against Silva.
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Silly why? You taken his punches? You been in the ring with him? STFU then. Rich Franlin is a fucken chump… dopey cunt stood their when Silva had his neck… all that fucken wrestling and mooooeeeyyy taaaay and he fucken couldn’t get his own neck out. Try that with Lombard and you’ll lose your fucken limbs.
[quote]humble wrote:
[quote]Sifu wrote:
You are silly. Lombard would get tore up worse than Rich Franklin against Silva. Sure Lombard has one or two bombing punches and throws with a lot of aggression early in the fight, which looks good on a highlight reel. But he leaves himself wide open and you can’t do that against Silva.
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Silly why? You taken his punches? You been in the ring with him? STFU then. Rich Franlin is a fucken chump… dopey cunt stood their when Silva had his neck… all that fucken wrestling and mooooeeeyyy taaaay and he fucken couldn’t get his own neck out. Try that with Lombard and you’ll lose your fucken limbs.
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Silly because you think all someone needs to beat Silva is a bombing haymaker punch and some ground skills. When it comes to stand up Lombard is a one trick pony with otherwise really poor fundamentals, yet with that one trick you think he’s going to take out the best fighter in the world.
Franklin was no punk but Silva destroyed him easily. I chose to compare Lombard to Franklin because he has the same flaws in his fighting. If you watch the guard of either, they have no guard. Their elbows go flying away from their sides continuously instead of keeping them down to protect their body like Silva does or Shlemenko does against Lombard. This is a fundamental I teach to white belts.
Then because they don’t have good elbow discipline Lombard and Franklin throw round punches instead of linear or a combination of both. That is why Silva was able to force himself up the center line on Franklin and clinch him. Silva could do the same to Lombard because he leaves himself open to it.
Plus there are all the other openings Lombard gives away. Watch his title match against Shlemenko. After all the fury and aggression of the first round flurry was gone Shlemenko was landing multiple shots almost at will. Lombard doesn’t have any defense, he just relies on being diesel to absorb it. Silva is not the man to use that strategy on because he has the skills to land devastating blows with pin point accuracy.
Hmm…with Lombard’s power it’s possible. BUT that alone isn’t enough against Anderson. After all,Hector has to catch him clean. His short reach for MW…lack of footwork work against him in [that match-up. Lombard would have to really bring some things to the table that I’ve yet to see in any of his recent fights. shrug
lombard is like old and shit.
he is 34- and on teh roidz brah.
and might not have enough reach for bigger middle weights
o wait bboss said that.
i suck.
and is sifu speaking about MMA- and not saying some win shun dude
would romp them
chael proved hes mortal a couple of connections off the start rattled anderson so bad he almost lost. som one as dynamic and explosive as lombard and with his degree of skill with regard to take downs any thing is possible. if nothing else he has the same chance as sonnen.
sifu to cut lombard down you posted 5 rounds of undeniable domination from lombard. may be his form isnt perfect on the ground with bullshit like keeping elbows in the right place but
A) he does not get cought
B) he deals more damage than most middle weights
C) he physically dominates
D) its not a drill its a fight its not going to be technically perfect and in the case of all fighters it usually isnt
and i wouldnt call someone with lombards resume or history of whooping ass someone with poor fundamentals even typing it there made a neckbeard start to grow on me
[quote]brotard012 wrote:
lombard is like old and shit.
he is 34- and on teh roidz brah.
and might not have enough reach for bigger middle weights
o wait bboss said that.
i suck.
and is sifu speaking about MMA- and not saying some win shun dude
would romp them
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First things first. Please tell me that 012 has some significance that is escaping me at the moment and there aren’t eleven more brotards.
Second, I guess someone had to be the official brotard. Welcome Bro.
Third, shouldn’t your avatar be wearing a tapout shirt?
On to Lombard. He’s an inch shorter that GSP, which should give some idea of why we don’t see GSP just popping up to middleweight to give it a try. Being all roided up like that really does take a toll on ones overall abilities even if you do gain in some areas.
[quote]westdale warrior wrote:
chael proved hes mortal a couple of connections off the start rattled anderson so bad he almost lost. som one as dynamic and explosive as lombard and with his degree of skill with regard to take downs any thing is possible. if nothing else he has the same chance as sonnen.
sifu to cut lombard down you posted 5 rounds of undeniable domination from lombard. may be his form isnt perfect on the ground with bullshit like keeping elbows in the right place but
A) he does not get cought
B) he deals more damage than most middle weights
C) he physically dominates
D) its not a drill its a fight its not going to be technically perfect and in the case of all fighters it usually isnt
and i wouldnt call someone with lombards resume or history of whooping ass someone with poor fundamentals even typing it there made a neckbeard start to grow on me [/quote]
Silva probably has the best take down defense of anyone in MMA and the best striking. Lombard would eat a lot of shots trying to get a take down on Silva.
That fight against Shlemenko that I posted went a full five rounds and then it had to go to the cards for a decision. Shlemenko did a decent job but he’s no Anderson Silva. Shlemenko is good enough to go the distance against Lombard yet somehow we are supposed to believe that Lombard will destroy someone who is better than Shlemenko, the man who went the distance.
In martial arts, proper elbow positioning is crucial to just about any upper body movement. Good fighters who come from a striking background know to keep the elbows down and in close to protect the abdomen. They also learn not to let the humerous internally rotate, instead they externally rotate enough to align the elbow directly behind the fist. Silva does this.
There are a lot of factors that go into being a fighter. Just because someone is winning fights it doesn’t mean they are a good fighter. You can be a lousy fighter but have just one attribute that none of your competition can overcome and you’ll be winning.
Quite often when someone has that one killer technique that they are really good at they rely on it at the expense of developing other skills. Which is what Lombard stand up looks like.
When I look at Lombards resume I don’t just look at a win and leave it at that. I want to know who he won against and how. Silva has beat much better talent than Lombard and less of his wins have been by decision or stoppage.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Silva probably has the best take down defense of anyone in MMA[/quote]
Sorry Sifu, not even close.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]westdale warrior wrote:
chael proved hes mortal a couple of connections off the start rattled anderson so bad he almost lost. som one as dynamic and explosive as lombard and with his degree of skill with regard to take downs any thing is possible. if nothing else he has the same chance as sonnen.
sifu to cut lombard down you posted 5 rounds of undeniable domination from lombard. may be his form isnt perfect on the ground with bullshit like keeping elbows in the right place but
A) he does not get cought
B) he deals more damage than most middle weights
C) he physically dominates
D) its not a drill its a fight its not going to be technically perfect and in the case of all fighters it usually isnt
and i wouldnt call someone with lombards resume or history of whooping ass someone with poor fundamentals even typing it there made a neckbeard start to grow on me [/quote]
Silva probably has the best take down defense of anyone in MMA and the best striking. Lombard would eat a lot of shots trying to get a take down on Silva.
That fight against Shlemenko that I posted went a full five rounds and then it had to go to the cards for a decision. Shlemenko did a decent job but he’s no Anderson Silva. Shlemenko is good enough to go the distance against Lombard yet somehow we are supposed to believe that Lombard will destroy someone who is better than Shlemenko, the man who went the distance.
In martial arts, proper elbow positioning is crucial to just about any upper body movement. Good fighters who come from a striking background know to keep the elbows down and in close to protect the abdomen. They also learn not to let the humerous internally rotate, instead they externally rotate enough to align the elbow directly behind the fist. Silva does this.
There are a lot of factors that go into being a fighter. Just because someone is winning fights it doesn’t mean they are a good fighter. You can be a lousy fighter but have just one attribute that none of your competition can overcome and you’ll be winning.
Quite often when someone has that one killer technique that they are really good at they rely on it at the expense of developing other skills. Which is what Lombard stand up looks like.
When I look at Lombards resume I don’t just look at a win and leave it at that. I want to know who he won against and how. Silva has beat much better talent than Lombard and less of his wins have been by decision or stoppage. [/quote]
Shlemenko has been KOd ONCE in 55 pro fights. Not a sensational fighter, but definitely an iron chin. Not knocking that guy out can hardly count against Lombard. Also, MMA math don’t work. “Silva didn’t KO Lee Murray, so clearly, he’d lose to Lombard”. See?
Well, if you’re undefeated in 25 straight fights and reigning champion in 3 promotions, odds are you’re not a ‘lousy fighter’. And Lombard clearly has more than one attribute, as does Silva. Whether his attributes match up well with Silva’s on the other hand, is a major question mark. Like you say, his stand up and movement is lacking, which would make him a (barely) moving target for Silva’s accurate striking. How would he do on the inside though (assuming he’d get there)? Olympic judo, 4th dan jits and vastly superior body strength? Could be interesting.
Lombard and Silva have the exact same amount of wins and finishes. I agree that Lombard has faced inferior opposition, at least for the last 5 or so years.
I’d love to see this fight. Pretty sure it’d end up like Silva / Hendo, but at least it would be explosive.