[quote]Robert A wrote:
Sonnon reminds me of Matt Lindland, another excellent fighter who tended to wrestle his way to top control and then grind out a win with arm punches. Lindland is also a coach/training partner for Sonnon. [/quote]
He also learned how to cheat from Lindland. They have both pulled the old tap and deny it trick.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
Sonnon reminds me of Matt Lindland, another excellent fighter who tended to wrestle his way to top control and then grind out a win with arm punches. Lindland is also a coach/training partner for Sonnon. [/quote]
He also learned how to cheat from Lindland. They have both pulled the old tap and deny it trick. [/quote]
Shit, I forgot about Lindland tapping out twice vs. Bustemante.
Good save.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I think Sonnen underestimated Bisping (and why not?). Having a tough fight with Bisping has made Sonnen prepare that much more for Silva.
I have no idea who will win, but I’d love to see Sonnen beat him up for 5 rounds and actually not get tapped out as he did last time. So, I’m for the underdog.
As for Silva he is no question a tremendous fighter. But with that said I’m not buying the injured rib excuse as the reason Sonnen beat him up for about 4 1/2 rounds. I think Sonnen took Silva out of his game with his aggressive ground and pound. The bad part for Sonnen is that Silva will be ready for it this time around. And if Silva has not had extensive preparation for GnP then he deserves to get beat up.
While Silva is obviously the favorite I think the fight could go either way it depends on whose night it is.
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ZEB,
Overall I agree save one point.
Where do you see Sonnon having “aggressive ground and pound”. I know he landed a lot of shots, but for all of it he did not seem to do much damage. He never does. He has excellent top control. Maybe the best top control in the UFC, but he doesn’t so much “ground and pound” as he racks up “advantage”. He did do some cuffing of the ears and maybe a bit of gouging, but Silva’s face leads me to think it wasn’t much of a beating. Contrast that with guys who spent any amount of time under Hughes, Coleman, Ortiz, Hammel, Lesnar, Fedor, or even Fitch.[/quote]
I agree he didn’t do much obvious damage to Silva’s face. But if you look at the fight again you will see him doing some nasty ear shots with both hands. I’m sure Silva had a hard time hearing the dinner bell over the ensuing two weeks. And he does land a lot of pesky shots which don’t do much damage but certainly score with the judges. I don’t know the punch count off hand but it seemed like he hit Silva hundreds of times from the top position and damage or not that is what wins rounds. No one can deny that Sonnen won every round of that fight…then lost in the 5th.
[quote]Sonnon reminds me of Matt Lindland, another excellent fighter who tended to wrestle his way to top control and then grind out a win with arm punches. Lindland is also a coach/training partner for Sonnon. I am not criticizing the tactic, since it is a valid path to a W.
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Yeah, I can see the similarities.
No question he lacked the discipline to stay focused near the end. That is one of the things that he’s been working on no doubt. Just as the alleged greatest martial artist on the planet (nope) has been working on take down defense and bottom escapes.
[quote]Oh, I will be rooting against Bisbing this fight. I don’t care that he isn’t fighting. I hope he gets a fucking hang nail. And I hope it hurts.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
Whahaha…I’m with ya brother!
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
One-sided beating from Silva. Apparently people forget that Silva was toying with Sonnen their first fight until he slipped and got caught. The rest of the fight was Sonnen dry humping him til he got subbed. I’d bet the keys to my car this doesn’t go past the second, and I’d honestly be surprised if it gets that far.[/quote]
Yeah but how much are your keys worth?
Seriously, you are off base with your prediction. Doesn’t go past the second? Regardless of who wins it’s going past the second.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
Sonnon reminds me of Matt Lindland, another excellent fighter who tended to wrestle his way to top control and then grind out a win with arm punches. Lindland is also a coach/training partner for Sonnon. [/quote]
He also learned how to cheat from Lindland. They have both pulled the old tap and deny it trick. [/quote]
And they both learned that from Ken Shamrock in his first fight with Royce Gracie.
Rumour has it Silva is scared as shit. He knows Sonnen has the mental edge and it’s biting him. Sonnen is a smarter fighter than Silva so if it does go a few extra rounds I’m giving advantage to Sonnen.
Dana wants to see the title on Sonnen because he know he’d be a better ambassador for the sport.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
One-sided beating from Silva. Apparently people forget that Silva was toying with Sonnen their first fight until he slipped and got caught. The rest of the fight was Sonnen dry humping him til he got subbed. I’d bet the keys to my car this doesn’t go past the second, and I’d honestly be surprised if it gets that far.[/quote]
Yeah but how much are your keys worth?
Seriously, you are off base with your prediction. Doesn’t go past the second? Regardless of who wins it’s going past the second.[/quote]
And you know this how? Outside of some fluke slip (like the first fight) Silva is gonna do to Sonnen what he does to everyone else: DEMOLISH him.
I have no doubt that Silva had a cracked rib, or something, during the first fight with Sonnen. The entire time I was watching it, wondering why he wasn’t moving like he normally does. You could see it the whole time…
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Rumour has it Silva is scared as shit. He knows Sonnen has the mental edge and it’s biting him. Sonnen is a smarter fighter than Silva so if it does go a few extra rounds I’m giving advantage to Sonnen.
Dana wants to see the title on Sonnen because he know he’d be a better ambassador for the sport. [/quote]
What?
Sonnen is, without a doubt, a great fighter, but he’s a one trick pony.
Or more precise, a lay and pray stallion.
His ability to promote the fight, while childish and questionable, are second to none and mainly what got him the slot.
What may his mental edge be?
Maybe: he didn’t get obliterated on his feet?
I’ll give him that: Sonnen has an extreme awkward style where he does just the right amount of fisticular exchange to abruptly switch gears very forcefully.
Nobody does it like him when it counts.
That’s his main strongpoint.
(Of course, let’s quickly forget those who were harping he actually won his exchanges. Same as with Alistair- Werdum)
I’m not sure, however, if Silva won’t be better prepared this time.
Being a most flexible fighter who already has spend considerable time in the octagon with Chael, I’m sure he can figure out how to hit Chael hard this time. That is, IF he feels threatened at all; he’s mentally kinda hard to get.
Once more considering the edge, Silva SURE feels he’s got it
As much as I respect Chael’s abilities, I would bet my money on Silva.
He’ll get a takedown or two, might rub his andro-gel glistening body on the champ like a dutiful courtesan, the crowd roars, the ref, covered in cold sweat and stinking of fear, will stand them up, Silva finds his groove and unleashes- 5 minutes later the natives are dancing, flag weaving and fornicating through the night, basically in that order.
The only person around who can put Silva on his ass is Hector Lombard.
Easy night for Silva against Sonnen and no way can his jive talk can make him a better ambassador.
Better lap dog maybe, but not better ambassador.
Problem also is though, if Hector does get signed to the UFC, despite the excitement he will bring, the guy is pretty much a recluse and doesn’t like the attention or parading around so fat chance Dana will sign him.
[quote]humble wrote:
The only person around who can put Silva on his ass is Hector Lombard.
Easy night for Silva against Sonnen and no way can his jive talk can make him a better ambassador.
Better lap dog maybe, but not better ambassador.
Problem also is though, if Hector does get signed to the UFC, despite the excitement he will bring, the guy is pretty much a recluse and doesn’t like the attention or parading around so fat chance Dana will sign him.
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I have long said the only way Anderson will lose is if someone can beat him at his own game. Having watched a highlight of this guy real quick, who knows, maybe his short-guy style of getting inside and power punching (reminds me of Tyson, a bit) will have Anderson’s number.
Doubt it, though.
[quote]Thuggish wrote:
[quote]humble wrote:
The only person around who can put Silva on his ass is Hector Lombard.
Easy night for Silva against Sonnen and no way can his jive talk can make him a better ambassador.
Better lap dog maybe, but not better ambassador.
Problem also is though, if Hector does get signed to the UFC, despite the excitement he will bring, the guy is pretty much a recluse and doesn’t like the attention or parading around so fat chance Dana will sign him.
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I have long said the only way Anderson will lose is if someone can beat him at his own game. Having watched a highlight of this guy real quick, who knows, maybe his short-guy style of getting inside and power punching (reminds me of Tyson, a bit) will have Anderson’s number.
Doubt it, though.[/quote]
Don’t doubt it. When he was in Oz I was his sparring partner and the motherfucker hits like a mack truck and I’m 20 kg heavier than him!!!
A grade judo and a bronze medalist olympian, top ground game, the most vicious gnp in mma at that weight and inside boxing to take the biggest head off any neck. Oh yeh, did I mention athletic and ANNNNNGGGGGRRRRRYYYY as hell in the ring. Badddddd motherfucker.
If I were a betting man, I’d put money on him without a doubt.
[quote]humble wrote:
[quote]Thuggish wrote:
[quote]humble wrote:
The only person around who can put Silva on his ass is Hector Lombard.
Easy night for Silva against Sonnen and no way can his jive talk can make him a better ambassador.
Better lap dog maybe, but not better ambassador.
Problem also is though, if Hector does get signed to the UFC, despite the excitement he will bring, the guy is pretty much a recluse and doesn’t like the attention or parading around so fat chance Dana will sign him.
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I have long said the only way Anderson will lose is if someone can beat him at his own game. Having watched a highlight of this guy real quick, who knows, maybe his short-guy style of getting inside and power punching (reminds me of Tyson, a bit) will have Anderson’s number.
Doubt it, though.[/quote]
Don’t doubt it. When he was in Oz I was his sparring partner and the motherfucker hits like a mack truck and I’m 20 kg heavier than him!!!
A grade judo and a bronze medalist olympian, top ground game, the most vicious gnp in mma at that weight and inside boxing to take the biggest head off any neck. Oh yeh, did I mention athletic and ANNNNNGGGGGRRRRRYYYY as hell in the ring. Badddddd motherfucker.
If I were a betting man, I’d put money on him without a doubt.[/quote]
Having just heard of the guy, from what I see, I don’t doubt he’s bad ass. But nobody has come close to taking Anderson out except Chael, when he had the cracked rib.
Yeh, I understand but he’s slap Chael all the way out of the stadium. His tight angry style will ruffle Silva and he has speed to boot.
As impressive as Lombard’s credentials and style are, let’s not tout him as the next great thing before he faces somebody of note, which I can’t recall him doing since, well, ever, really.
[quote]Khaine wrote:
As impressive as Lombard’s credentials and style are, let’s not tout him as the next great thing before he faces somebody of note, which I can’t recall him doing since, well, ever, really.[/quote]
Agreed. Lombard is a beast, and every fight I’ve seen of his has been awesome, but Silva has destroyed everyone the best MMA org in the world has thrown at him while Lombard is laying dudes out in basically NFL Europe. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
ZEB wrote:WhiteFlash wrote:
One-sided beating from Silva. Apparently people forget that Silva was toying with Sonnen their first fight until he slipped and got caught. The rest of the fight was Sonnen dry humping him til he got subbed. I’d bet the keys to my car this doesn’t go past the second, and I’d honestly be surprised if it gets that far.
Yeah but how much are your keys worth?
Seriously, you are off base with your prediction. Doesn’t go past the second? Regardless of who wins it’s going past the second.
And you know this how? [/quote]
The same way you know that it’s not going past the second round?
I think it’s called guessing…
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Sonnen is, without a doubt, a great fighter, but he’s a one trick pony.
Or more precise, a lay and pray stallion.
His ability to promote the fight, while childish and questionable, are second to none and mainly what got him the slot.
What may his mental edge be?
Maybe: he didn’t get obliterated on his feet?
I’ll give him that: Sonnen has an extreme awkward style where he does just the right amount of fisticular exchange to abruptly switch gears very forcefully.
Nobody does it like him when it counts.
That’s his main strongpoint.
(Of course, let’s quickly forget those who were harping he actually won his exchanges. Same as with Alistair- Werdum)
I’m not sure, however, if Silva won’t be better prepared this time.
Being a most flexible fighter who already has spend considerable time in the octagon with Chael, I’m sure he can figure out how to hit Chael hard this time. That is, IF he feels threatened at all; he’s mentally kinda hard to get.
Once more considering the edge, Silva SURE feels he’s got it
As much as I respect Chael’s abilities, I would bet my money on Silva.
He’ll get a takedown or two, might rub his andro-gel glistening body on the champ like a dutiful courtesan, the crowd roars, the ref, covered in cold sweat and stinking of fear, will stand them up, Silva finds his groove and unleashes- 5 minutes later the natives are dancing, flag weaving and fornicating through the night, basically in that order.[/quote]
That is an excellent and well thought out assessment.
Silva via first or second round K.O