So you coached untrained individuals and are measuring success because they are better after training than not training at all?
How’d you learn this exactly? What athletic group/sport specifically?
1 Like
Had some Mark Rippetoe flashbacks for a second there.
2 Likes
Observed in rookie pro football and high school basketball.
I have friends in special places.
Hangcleans are great for throwers and such like Highland Games.
@T3hPwnisher “the trapbar is dangerous, the barbell is safer because it stops your hips” liking cupcake icing fingers.
I actually will agree with you then. Not many elite athletes are found in the high school weight rooms. There were hundreds in my D1 university, however.
You have lots of good ideas. Might be best to start a new thread with a self driven Q&A.
Here’s a thread to inspire the self discussion.
1 Like
@RT_Nomad you are right though, I’m weak m, that’s why I do what I do.
Why do you even think you need my advice?
But if my advice works for other weak people, than hallelujah, that’s good.
I’m 46 years old, I don’t have much time as I did at age 26, I don’t have 20years to drill my hangclean for a lousy 30#. Fuck that. No offense.
I did them for 10years already, I’m sure I was lazy and didn’t invest in a great coach, I was too busy trying to pay my fuking bills.
So, those out there like me, here’s some advice, but for the real experts, keep going with your elitism.
Had you led with that qualification in your opening post of the thread, I would have never commented.
1 Like
If I were a betting man, I would bet that my hangclean will improve faster in the next year doing what I’m doing now, as opposed to just drilling it because I will be stronger overall at age 47-48.
My best hangclean above the knees is something around 170#, below the knee 190 or so.
I did a squat clean with 215 on a 2”axle, 230 on a regular bar with zero coaching weighing 180 in my mid-late 20s.
Last time I tried them I was 240# BW with a pillow belly about age 40 and I managed those same numbers but wasn’t progressing.
RT you must of been very strong and blew me away, I mean I’ve trained with a former 700# dead lifter before and all in strongman.
But what kind of numbers were/are you doing, out of curiosity because, well you are expressing much experience?
@RT_Nomad don’t be going quiet now, I’m sure you must be busy.
I was off work today for a free day.
But I want to hear your stats, numbers height and everything, I’m sure you’re not a 5’9” munchkin like me with 7” hands.
I didn’t touch a weight besides age 11-12 years then I got into drugs and bad shit until I was around age 21, so I was past any point of hope, that does not mean I can’t teach a coach something though.
At the gym right now. Don’t worry I will back to you.
Serious question: why do you think this? You seem to open every statement with a disclaimer that you’re weak and unaccomplished (in this hobby, I’m not implying in your life), and then follow up with the claim that that means you have something to teach everyone else. I’m not following your logic here.
4 Likes
Odd thread, can barely follow along. Clearly watched some Eric Bugenhagen videos and have become obsessed with the schtick of 1RMs and disparaging Mike Israetel. I like Bugenhagen but both guys have things you can take and learn from. It is doubtful that “horsing” weights for one rep (direct Bugenhagen quote that pops up from OP throughout this thread) is the best route to success.
2 Likes
This is Hogan’s nightmare.
2 Likes
You might have been having a hard time following along, so I’ve mentioned high reps with light weight here too.
That is also a great route for success, so I’m not saying 1-rep is king, but my goal is to incorporate them because they feel as good as the higher reps but in a different way, of course because they are different.
I don’t think posting a thread of lifting 1-rep stuff is saying “I’m teaching everyone something”.
I’d love to see people posting similar stuff.
Somewhere along the line, people don’t agree with it, so they say what they say.
If RT starts a thread showing the power of hangcleans and maxes one out, I’m cheering for him, I’m not coming in and saying “I don’t like that, so you will be disappointed because I say so” type stuff. Regardless if I like hangcleans for not, I’d give him a YES SIR!!! Kill that shit!!!
That’s fine but you seem very influenced by Bugenhagen, you literally have a fanny pack on just like him.
Just consider that he trained for 15+ years and had an insane physique before switching to his system. Not saying don’t go for it, do whatever you want, but this guy was a freak before ever starting the 1RM business.
3 Likes
This is disingenuous, especially as a direct response to me literally quoting you saying you’ll teach a coach.
You’ve started multiple threads with a declarative: “do this.” I’m not telling you you’re an idiot, or you’re wrong, or you’ll fail. I’m asking how you get from, in your own words, point A (“I’m weak”) to Point B (”you should do this”)?
2 Likes
I started lifting weights in 1968 at 6’0" and about 165lbs. I could do 20 pullups and 20 dips before I ever lifted a weight. I started powerlifting around 1975 when I was just below 220lbs. My goal was competitive bodybuilding which I started in 1970 (not very good.)
My best lifts then were:
- 380lb meet bench press
- 650lb meet deadlift
- Dumbbell bench flies with 90lbs for 3 sets of 8 reps
- 205lb behind the neck press for 3 sets of 8 reps
When I got to my contest stage weight of 218lbs, I trained at between 240lbs and 245lbs. All but the meet bench press I did regardless of my body weight. I could still do these at about 222lbs.
My best lifts then were:
- 450lb meet bench press (raw) 1980 (242lb class)
- 405lb bent over row 2 sets of 8 reps (1990-1997) followed by
- 505lb deadlift 2 sets of 10 reps
- 495lb squat 2 sets of 10 reps (1990-1997)
All the weight lifting I did was to improve my look for competitive bodybuilding.
3 Likes
I had to eat a treat before trying those 90s bro, hence the fanny pack and yes I listen to Eric, regardless of if I’m never ever going to get close to him or not.
I invented my own lifts before I ever heard of him, but they were on strongman implements not gym stuff and I still invent my own lifts. For instance I do a heavy plate good morning style dead lift which I’m close to maxing 400 on. I use a hammer bar for very heavy gobblet squats .
I’m somewhat a pioneer just like Eric except I’m average. I will try to shoot for the moon though.
Those good morning plate dead lifts saved a recent back injury, I’ve never seen anyone do them.
Nice. So you did fricking reps with 90# bells on flys! Awesome!
Why would you criticize someone (me) for attempting 1-rep? If I continue working on them what makes you think I couldn’t do a better rep in a year, or perhaps a few really good reps with the 70s-80s?