You’re totally right. Every human since cavemen have had perfect implements to lift off the ground.
The barbell is not natural. Go lift a stone and you’ll see your hips actually take stress off your lower back. Go do a zercher frim the floor, like don’t deadlift it first, bend over and get your elbows under the bar and lift it. You’re in a much more natural lifting position.
This flat back you need to lift a barbell is not natural, it’s only used because it’s a power position, but you can’t lift a heavy rock or a couch with a flat back, go try it, will you, or won’t you?
I’ll go try anything right now, I’m not scared.
I might even lift more in the Jefferson today for you all???
Cavemen were really careful with their lower back. Everyone knows it, it’s super well documented.
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Yeah that’s part of the problem. I’m a fan of Eric Bugenhagen too. I know he worked with Chaos and pain for a while. If you look at Jamie Lewis’s old programs, it’s a metric shit ton of heavy lifts (singles, doubles, triples). You know what the secret is? Jamie Lewis explicitly told me he would find people who trained in similar ways and use that has his evidence to why it worked BUT he also said he was always walking, training, or doing something active. He would also use under a minute rests so the lifts weren’t true heavy 1’s,2’s,3’s compared to 5 min rest.
You might have gotten a little stronger but you really just got better at the pattern. Also the rep looked fairly fast rather than a grinder so
Do you have a pre-existing injury? Typically that’s an injury that comes overtime. You’d more than likely wouldn’t be able to do anything in the gym for a minute
Regarding pre existing injury. Very early 40s a back strain ended up with nerve pain in the ankle. Reaggravated a couple years later and couldn’t sit or sleep in a bed without stacking pillows on one side of me for a couple weeks.
Hulk Hogan says seeing chairs and regular beds is his nightmare for life, I understand that but not even close to what he goes though. Feels like a knife sticking in the side of you.
Gotcha. Just curious since you could notice it so soon
I’m not against the conventional dead lift at all. All I’m saying is that for pushing a max effort, it’s really a bad lift to do, especially when older.
Now using medium weights, yeah that’s great I totally disagree with that strongman fella who said on the Joe R. Podcast that regular people should not deadlift, that is total BS.
But here’s the problem, I’m not the type who lifts causally, I need that high of pushing it as hard as possible every time. So if I gotta do 225 for 50reps, that’s what I’m gonna do to be smoked.
I competed in this contest at 180#, I did the 300 an arm farmers and 710 yoke in that contest, I’m not in the vid, but this is how I trained all the fricking time. I did 850 yoke in training a time or three at 180# BW. This just gives perspective on my personality and why I it’s not easy for me to go easy, this is what I did for 5-years non-stop, 6days a week-
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Yeah I get it. Good luck dude. Have fun crushing Jeffersons!
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I might just do a journal on this.
I have a journal already but might just need on only for tracking 1-reppers.
I’m not going to post my daily high stuff though.
Yesterday I squatted 196 x36 ate some fig bars then did barbell curls 67# x45reps all in 1-set. I’m not going to log all that shit.
I also do 50-100 rep squats about every other morning to get the gaskets going.
Here, I 100percent disagree with this and I think the Olympic style lifting has no business in football in the programs.
I’m ok with doing light hangcleans as a warmup for only for sports but why are these coaches incorporating this stuff in the programs is fricking incorrect.
IF an athlete wants to do them on their own, fine, but the problem with the quick lifts as a cookie cutter approach……only a handful of players will benefit.
It’s far more efficient to use power movements which will actually make players stronger.
Not everyone is Ken Patera natural level on cleaning a barbell.
I do agree with the honey. And he says Marius (six pack abs) ate candy for the sugar….,…who’s laughing at me now?
Nothing builds a brutal forearm blow like heavy hanging cleans (5 to 8 reps.)
@RT_Nomad No, you’re wrong, double overhand grip deads do for high reps.
Start warmups with fat gripz, then take the fat gripz off once you can’t hold on any longer, continue repping with standard bar dia.
Garantee your wrists will be so powerful you could kill someone with a punch, the forearms are also.
Far better than your little hangcleans and much more simple, no technique work needed.
Bye bye……
Football forearms is a football move I was referring. Not the size and strength of the forearm. The forearm blow that would launch you ten yards backwards. That takes explosive shoulder power, which you don’t have.
Mongo overcomes horse power
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That’s only going to benefit someone gifted which was my whole point.
You’re going to have to spend lots of time having players drill the hang clean which also involves technical work. Is every player going hit good numbers here?
I doubt it.
Again, it only benefits a handful of athletes.
But still, more solid forearms and wrists will help with this shoulder power you speak of.
I’ll say again, you can’t go wrong with high deads with light weight, start with fat gripz, then take them off, also vary stiff leg and conventional while doing the set, add snatch grip too. Incorporate an explosive upright row along with it.
Mike Tyson had all round power, he never did those hangcleans, he did high rep BW stuff along with light high rep weights, 100s of reps with shrug variations.
Ali had to show Lyle who was the man here-
But every player will hit better numbers.
You are a proponent of every technique that I did the polar opposite. 1 rep maxes and high rep exercises I never did.
Are you doing 1 rep max work on esoteric lifts because you are too weak to be relevant performing traditional lifts? And doing high reps on exercises because you are too weak to be relevant on typical reps on those exercises?
Though you believe that you are the expert on all things weight training, I would take no advice from you.
IMO, you seek to be relevant and you come up lacking.
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Which would be almost every pro athlete.
uhhh, I lift heavy things all the time. Slam balls, barbells, tables, couches.. Just last night I moved a chair. Let’s not pretend like picking up a barbell is less natural than picking up a fallen tree, a dead animal, stone, etc. It’s just picking heavy ass shit off the ground.
What does this even mean?
Trust me, you wouldn’t be doing this for us all.
What was the highest level of athletics that you competed? How many high level athletes have you coached?
I coached construction workers on lifting to be better stronger workers and to lesson their chance of injury.
But here’s something I learned about elite athletes, they hate weight training, they love the game and other aspects involving the game.
The average joe who’s now out of shape and trying to live longer will show more love for working out with weights than many young good athletes. Some of these guys BS while doing the sets, but they are still strong fucking guys.