[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
Addendum to my first responses:
While most lifters don’t keep their shoulders tightly retracted during deadlifts from the floor as nobody taught them, it IS possible and a viable way to perform them. It is how Olympic WLers do them (“clean deadlift”). If you can do it that way, locking weights out will be a lot easier. One can argue that for non-competing lifters the clean deadlift might be the better way to do pulls.
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If you’re not a powerlifter I don’t really think you should do anything like powerlifters do them lol. Do both your squats and deadlifts like a weightlifter for anyone who isn’t specifically competing in those two lifts.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
Addendum to my first responses:
While most lifters don’t keep their shoulders tightly retracted during deadlifts from the floor as nobody taught them, it IS possible and a viable way to perform them. It is how Olympic WLers do them (“clean deadlift”). If you can do it that way, locking weights out will be a lot easier. One can argue that for non-competing lifters the clean deadlift might be the better way to do pulls.
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If you’re not a powerlifter I don’t really think you should do anything like powerlifters do them lol. Do both your squats and deadlifts like a weightlifter for anyone who isn’t specifically competing in those two lifts.[/quote]
I think it’s funny you say this since it seems like a lot of the more vocal coaches advocate low bar squats, and conventional deads over their weightlifting counterparts because low bar squats and conventional deads somehow make you stronger. I mean, a 600lbs squat is a 600lbs squat whether its high bar or low bar.
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]Mizery wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
@Mizery: You can do the pulls in two basic ways:
(1) start with a flexed (“rounded”) upper back (thoracic spine) and then extend (“unround”/straighten) it holding the bar.
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I’ve seen someone doing this before but it hurts my back just watching him doing it, but if it has your approval then I will definitely try it out. [/quote]
You have? I think it is a very rare exercise. Sure people do the whole hunched-back pulling style, but there is a big difference between doing them intentionally with proper form as I suggest and out of ignorance. [/quote]
Just to be clear, you start out with your upper back kind of hunched over, and then when you reach the top, you straighten out your thoracic spine, as if unrolling it, while keeping the lower back neutral/slightly arched throughout the movement? I apologise for the shitty explanation. I don’t know if he was doing it intentionally or not but that’s what I pictured when you described the movement.
[quote]Mizery wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]Mizery wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
@Mizery: You can do the pulls in two basic ways:
(1) start with a flexed (“rounded”) upper back (thoracic spine) and then extend (“unround”/straighten) it holding the bar.
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I’ve seen someone doing this before but it hurts my back just watching him doing it, but if it has your approval then I will definitely try it out. [/quote]
You have? I think it is a very rare exercise. Sure people do the whole hunched-back pulling style, but there is a big difference between doing them intentionally with proper form as I suggest and out of ignorance. [/quote]
Just to be clear, you start out with your upper back kind of hunched over, and then when you reach the top, you straighten out your thoracic spine, as if unrolling it, while keeping the lower back neutral/slightly arched throughout the movement? I apologise for the shitty explanation. I don’t know if he was doing it intentionally or not but that’s what I pictured when you described the movement.
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No, you got it. But start the exercise from the top - take the bar out and stand tall with shoulders retracted and then roll the upper back, leading with your head, and reverse.
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]Mizery wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]Mizery wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
@Mizery: You can do the pulls in two basic ways:
(1) start with a flexed (“rounded”) upper back (thoracic spine) and then extend (“unround”/straighten) it holding the bar.
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I’ve seen someone doing this before but it hurts my back just watching him doing it, but if it has your approval then I will definitely try it out. [/quote]
You have? I think it is a very rare exercise. Sure people do the whole hunched-back pulling style, but there is a big difference between doing them intentionally with proper form as I suggest and out of ignorance. [/quote]
Just to be clear, you start out with your upper back kind of hunched over, and then when you reach the top, you straighten out your thoracic spine, as if unrolling it, while keeping the lower back neutral/slightly arched throughout the movement? I apologise for the shitty explanation. I don’t know if he was doing it intentionally or not but that’s what I pictured when you described the movement.
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No, you got it. But start the exercise from the top - take the bar out and stand tall with shoulders retracted and then roll the upper back, leading with your head, and reverse.[/quote]
Not sure if I am reading this funny but I think that the idea of retracting the shoulders isn’t quite correct.
More so, the best cue is to engage the lats. This obviously involves having the shoulders retracted, but more importantly, involves trying to pull the shoulder blades down into the back pocket. Mike Tuscherer explains it more elegantly but I believe it to be one of the MOST important cues to deadlift properly.
[quote]arramzy wrote:
Not sure if I am reading this funny but I think that the idea of retracting the shoulders isn’t quite correct.
More so, the best cue is to engage the lats. This obviously involves having the shoulders retracted, but more importantly, involves trying to pull the shoulder blades down into the back pocket. Mike Tuscherer explains it more elegantly but I believe it to be one of the MOST important cues to deadlift properly.[/quote]
You might be right. I would “teach” people to first just try (A) scapular retraction and see how that feels and then ask them to do (B) scapular depression on top of that and again ask how it feels. The optimal degree of (A) and (B) depends on the individual lifter’s body/posture. However, I think we can agree on distinguishing between someone actively keeping the shoulders back and/or down and someone letting them passively protract during any form of pulls.