Shoes When Lifting

entheogens · September 15, 2007, 9:21pm

[quote]apwsearch wrote:
The vast majority of powerlifters I train, train with, or just know squat in a heeled squat shoe so I guess I am kind of struggling with what “squatting Powerlifting style” means to you?
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Hell, I can’t speak from experience on Powerlifting, but I do know that Louis Simmons and all the Westside people advocate wearing Chuck Converse. Louis cites some study done at Ball State indicating that they are the best. Frankly I can’t see why raised heeled Oly shoes would be of much benefit to powerlifters who only go to parallel in the squat.

Raw_Power · September 15, 2007, 10:11pm

Adidas Ironworks II for everything except deadlifting in which I wear wrestling shoes.

PHGN · September 15, 2007, 11:12pm

[quote]entheogens wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
The vast majority of powerlifters I train, train with, or just know squat in a heeled squat shoe so I guess I am kind of struggling with what “squatting Powerlifting style” means to you?

Hell, I can’t speak from experience on Powerlifting, but I do know that Louis Simmons and all the Westside people advocate wearing Chuck Converse. Louis cites some study done at Ball State indicating that they are the best. Frankly I can’t see why raised heeled Oly shoes would be of much benefit to powerlifters who only go to parallel in the squat.

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You never been to an IPF meet ?

entheogens · September 16, 2007, 1:26am

[quote]PHGN wrote:

You never been to an IPF meet ?[/quote]

No, I do Oly lifting nowadays, hence the reason why I said I had no direct experience concerning powerlifting. I was quoting Louis Simmons whom I believe to be an important voice in powerlifting.

In any case, I can’t see any reason for Oly weightlifting shoes for people squatting to parallel. Correct me if I am wrong…which I may indeed be.

Wyaeengee · September 17, 2007, 7:56pm

I’m a fan of ballet shoes, socks or Nike Frees.

GL

Hanley · September 17, 2007, 11:39pm

[quote]entheogens wrote:
PHGN wrote:

You never been to an IPF meet ?

No, I do Oly lifting nowadays, hence the reason why I said I had no direct experience concerning powerlifting. I was quoting Louis Simmons whom I believe to be an important voice in powerlifting.

In any case, I can’t see any reason for Oly weightlifting shoes for people squatting to parallel. Correct me if I am wrong…which I may indeed be.

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You need to stop saying “parrallel”. Watch some IPF videos and try and forget some of the bullshit you see in the WPO.

romanaz · September 18, 2007, 2:16am

[quote]Hanley wrote:
entheogens wrote:
PHGN wrote:

You never been to an IPF meet ?

No, I do Oly lifting nowadays, hence the reason why I said I had no direct experience concerning powerlifting. I was quoting Louis Simmons whom I believe to be an important voice in powerlifting.

In any case, I can’t see any reason for Oly weightlifting shoes for people squatting to parallel. Correct me if I am wrong…which I may indeed be.

You need to stop saying “parrallel”. Watch some IPF videos and try and forget some of the bullshit you see in the WPO.[/quote]

IPF is still parallel, especially when you consider how low those of us who prescribe to OL get.

apwsearch · September 18, 2007, 5:37pm

[quote]romanaz wrote:
Hanley wrote:
entheogens wrote:
PHGN wrote:

You never been to an IPF meet ?

No, I do Oly lifting nowadays, hence the reason why I said I had no direct experience concerning powerlifting. I was quoting Louis Simmons whom I believe to be an important voice in powerlifting.

In any case, I can’t see any reason for Oly weightlifting shoes for people squatting to parallel. Correct me if I am wrong…which I may indeed be.

You need to stop saying “parrallel”. Watch some IPF videos and try and forget some of the bullshit you see in the WPO.

IPF is still parallel, especially when you consider how low those of us who prescribe to OL get. [/quote]

I was going to let this go but this is a moronic post.

I have looked at your training logs and you are not in a position to get holier than thou with anyone. Its crap like this that is petty and divisive.

Instead of making a profoundly stupid statement on the internet, how about doing an IPF affiliate meet and showing us how much lower you squat than everybody else.

Best case scenario you can use that as an excuse for getting your ass handed to you.

romanaz · September 19, 2007, 11:00am

[quote]apwsearch wrote:
romanaz wrote:
Hanley wrote:
entheogens wrote:
PHGN wrote:

You never been to an IPF meet ?

No, I do Oly lifting nowadays, hence the reason why I said I had no direct experience concerning powerlifting. I was quoting Louis Simmons whom I believe to be an important voice in powerlifting.

In any case, I can’t see any reason for Oly weightlifting shoes for people squatting to parallel. Correct me if I am wrong…which I may indeed be.

You need to stop saying “parrallel”. Watch some IPF videos and try and forget some of the bullshit you see in the WPO.

IPF is still parallel, especially when you consider how low those of us who prescribe to OL get.

I was going to let this go but this is a moronic post.

I have looked at your training logs and you are not in a position to get holier than thou with anyone. Its crap like this that is petty and divisive.

Instead of making a profoundly stupid statement on the internet, how about doing an IPF affiliate meet and showing us how much lower you squat than everybody else.

Best case scenario you can use that as an excuse for getting your ass handed to you.

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who shoved a barbel up your ass? I got no interest in competeting in an IPF meet. I’m doing an Olympic weightlifting meet October 20th.

thanks for looking at my training logs. I didn’t know I was not in a position to be able to express my opinion on the internet.

if you look at the rules, as they are laid out in the IPF, it is called breaking paralell.

apwsearch · September 19, 2007, 11:09am

[quote]romanaz wrote:

who shoved a barbel up your ass? I got no interest in competeting in an IPF meet. I’m doing an Olympic weightlifting meet October 20th.

thanks for looking at my training logs. I didn’t know I was not in a position to be able to express my opinion on the internet.

if you look at the rules, as they are laid out in the IPF, it is called breaking paralell. [/quote]

You did.

I only looked at your training log because I figured surely somebody running their mouth like that must be a top tier Oly lifter. Boy was I wrong.

You run your mouth but fucking contradict yourself in your own posts. In other words, your lack of practical experience makes the bulk of your opinions suspect at best.

Don’t quote IPF rules to me, boy. They are meaningless coming from a kid with less than a year’s training knowledge running his mouth about something he knows nothing. Show up at a meet and demonstrate you can get a lift passed or shut your slop hole

You are coached but not a coach.

That’s OK, but don’t come on here acting like you should be taken seriously when you post stupid shit.

Run along now.

StonesAreFun · September 19, 2007, 11:47am

Wrestling shoes for all lower body work, regular running shoes for everything else (mostly because when I don’t have to carry extra shit with me, I don’t).

romanaz · September 19, 2007, 3:39pm

[quote]apwsearch wrote:
romanaz wrote:

who shoved a barbel up your ass? I got no interest in competeting in an IPF meet. I’m doing an Olympic weightlifting meet October 20th.

thanks for looking at my training logs. I didn’t know I was not in a position to be able to express my opinion on the internet.

if you look at the rules, as they are laid out in the IPF, it is called breaking paralell.

You did.

I only looked at your training log because I figured surely somebody running their mouth like that must be a top tier Oly lifter. Boy was I wrong.

You run your mouth but fucking contradict yourself in your own posts. In other words, your lack of practical experience makes the bulk of your opinions suspect at best.

Don’t quote IPF rules to me, boy. They are meaningless coming from a kid with less than a year’s training knowledge running his mouth about something he knows nothing. Show up at a meet and demonstrate you can get a lift passed or shut your slop hole

You are coached but not a coach.

That’s OK, but don’t come on here acting like you should be taken seriously when you post stupid shit.

Run along now.
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I just passed my 2 year anniverssary of when I started lifting thank you very little. Sure, I don’t have a ton of experience with PL or OL, but I DO understand the difference between an IPF legal squat and a full ATG squat.

Hanley · September 19, 2007, 5:47pm

[quote]romanaz wrote:

I just passed my 2 year anniverssary of when I started lifting thank you very little. Sure, I don’t have a ton of experience with PL or OL, but I DO understand the difference between an IPF legal squat and a full ATG squat.
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Surely then you realise that at IPF world events the rules are MUCH stricter and you really need to go convincingly below parrallel? Not just “break” it. Have you EVER seen an IPF meet or is your sole experience of powerlifting watching WPO vids online?

And boy, 2 years. No wonder you know everything.

It’s funny how at the top levels of sport there’s so much respect between weightlifting and powerlifting, but when it comes to the lower levels people are constantly running people down.

apwsearch · September 19, 2007, 10:23pm

[quote]romanaz wrote:

if you look at the rules, as they are laid out in the IPF, it is called breaking paralell. [/quote]

By the way, since you chose to offer a rules interpretation, “as they are laid out in the IPF,” to someone who has been involved in powerlifting for 20 years I chose to point out once again you have your head up your ass.

Nowhere in the rule book is the phrase “breaking parallel” used. The only terminology used is: the lifter must bend the knees and lower the body until the top surface of the legs at the hip joint is lower than the top of the knees.

When a judge sits in the chair they are not looking for a lifter to break parallel. They are watching the crease of the hip to see if it drops below the top of the knee. You don’t know enough to understand the difference so you will have to take my word that they are different things.

This whole angle you have chosen to pursue bringing about relativisism to “breaking parallel” among lifting disciplines is tired and asinine.

The bottom line is that on most lifters a raised heel makes it easier to USAPL/IPF depth. The challenge is finding the right heel height for your squatting style.

Pinto · September 19, 2007, 11:26pm

A lot of PLers that use a close stance prefer a shoe/boot with a heel. While this is more common in the the monoliftless feds, it is not unheard of in APF,WPC, WPO, etc. Steve Goggins squated in old Adidas weightlifting shoes

I don’t really see what the fuss is about OL guy squatting deeper than PL guys. I was not aware that weightlifting rules even required anyone to make depth. In fact, it seems to me that some great lifters catch their bar pretty high up- Reza, Chemerkin (sp?), Weller, Alexeev, Bonk.

Hanley · September 20, 2007, 12:55am

[quote]Pinto wrote:

I don’t really see what the fuss is about OL guy squatting deeper than PL guys. I was not aware that weightlifting rules even required anyone to make depth. In fact, it seems to me that some great lifters catch their bar pretty high up- Reza, Chemerkin (sp?), Weller, Alexeev, Bonk. [/quote]

Yeaaaaaaah but all the weightlifters who are “true” to the sport do things “right” and catch it as low as possible.

apwsearch · September 20, 2007, 1:06am

[quote]Pinto wrote:
A lot of PLers that use a close stance prefer a shoe/boot with a heel. While this is more common in the the monoliftless feds, it is not unheard of in APF,WPC, WPO, etc. Steve Goggins squated in old Adidas weightlifting shoes

I don’t really see what the fuss is about OL guy squatting deeper than PL guys. I was not aware that weightlifting rules even required anyone to make depth. In fact, it seems to me that some great lifters catch their bar pretty high up- Reza, Chemerkin (sp?), Weller, Alexeev, Bonk. [/quote]

Yeah, I know I am being a dick but this whole IPF is parallel compared to OL depth is fucking stupid and it just pissed me off.

Interestingly, this year we recruited a 20 year old lifter whom we came to find out was a damn good OL in HS (won state 2 times in a row, 2nd at the national event etc…don’t know enough about OL to be any more specific).

We saw him at the gym and he was basically half squatting 445 for sets of 8 with no belt at about 170#'s.

He was wearing an old pair of Ironworks. The wife walked up to him and asked him about the shoes and what he trains for. He basically said he used to compete in OL but now just trains for sanity.

She basically told him his squat form was painful to watch (lead with his knees, etc.) and his response was, “show me how to do it right, I have never really been coached to squat and our coach never had us go more than half way down on back squats.”

He is now lifting with us and the first time we had him squat to depth he struggled to get 275 for a set of 4. He has since gotten much stronger and has remarkable core strength and upright squatting and pulling form.

Very fast twitch dominant and I expect him to go mid to high 1200’s in just a belt and wraps as a 181 in November. This guy may get his Open National qualifier at his first geared meet in February which would be insane.

I don’t know where I am going with all of this other than that his coach is well know and held in high regard in the OL circuit. I guess my poing is, so much for all OL back squatting “below parallel.”

Chewie · September 20, 2007, 2:01am

[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Pinto wrote:
A lot of PLers that use a close stance prefer a shoe/boot with a heel. While this is more common in the the monoliftless feds, it is not unheard of in APF,WPC, WPO, etc. Steve Goggins squated in old Adidas weightlifting shoes